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So, yeah. Apparently when you say "water", you actually mean "hydrogen peroxide". I see. You're a lying moron now. Anyways, your frantic google search for hydrogen peroxide still hasn't answered my question about how you believe this can create atmospheric oxygen in detectable quantities let alone miraculously produce upper atmosphere ozone. We're still waiting for you to stop lying and dodging and to finally admit you really are clueless. :laugh: I can't believe you keep posting on this board after the number of times you've been humiliated. You're like Pavlov's dog, only dumber.
But, we knew that.
73Zeppelin wrote:
So, yeah. Apparently when you say "water", you actually mean "hydrogen peroxide". I see.
Where did the hydrogen peroxide that was generated by sunlight acting upon water come from? Where did the hydrogen peroxide that was generated living cells come from? From water.
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Just because I enjoy seeing you completely humiliated, would you mind explaining why your important hydrogen peroxide contribution isn't considered part of the oxygen cycle[^]? How can you explain this? Has it simply been overlooked? Perhaps you're a monumental idiot? :laugh:
73Zeppelin wrote:
Just because I enjoy seeing you completely humiliated, would you mind explaining why your important hydrogen peroxide contribution isn't considered part of the oxygen cycle[^]?
As I said previously, my point and claim is only that your assertion that atmospheric O-O is solely the result of photosynthesis is false. To be blunt, I think you enjoy completely humiliating yourself.
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Ilíon wrote:
But does it explain why even a "dumb blonde" has, or at least uses, more wisdom that you fools do?
Other than a level of insult more suited to the second grade, have you got anything to say?
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But, we knew that.
73Zeppelin wrote:
So, yeah. Apparently when you say "water", you actually mean "hydrogen peroxide". I see.
Where did the hydrogen peroxide that was generated by sunlight acting upon water come from? Where did the hydrogen peroxide that was generated living cells come from? From water.
Ilíon wrote:
Where did the hydrogen peroxide that was generated by sunlight acting upon water come from? Where did the hydrogen peroxide that was generated living cells come from?
:laugh: That's not under dispute, dipshit. Your fantasy that (well, first it was just plain water that could "degrade", now you've changed course lied and suggested hydrogen peroxide) hydrogen peroxide contributes to atmospheric oxygen and ozone before (or even after for that matter) the existence of plants has been demonstrated to be completely unfounded. Remember the basis of the original discussion, deceiver? I'll remind you: We were discussing the fact that upper atmospheric ozone couldn't exist without plants. You're claiming it could because water (now it's hydrogen peroxide) "degrading" had something to do with the presence of an ozone layer. Presumably you meant that since ozone requires oxygen as a precursor, oxygen is being produced by sunlight interacting with concentrations (on the order of nano moles) of hydrogen peroxide in naturally occurring water and somehow this ends up as atmospheric ozone or some other complete bullshit you've dreamed up in the last 2 hours. I've shown that to be completely false based on chemistry and the oxygen cycle. Have you figured out that you're completely wrong yet or do you need futher humiliation?
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Just because I enjoy seeing you completely humiliated, would you mind explaining why your important hydrogen peroxide contribution isn't considered part of the oxygen cycle[^]? How can you explain this? Has it simply been overlooked? Perhaps you're a monumental idiot? :laugh:
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Just because I enjoy seeing you completely humiliated, would you mind explaining why your important hydrogen peroxide contribution isn't considered part of the oxygen cycle[^]?
As I said previously, my point and claim is only that your assertion that atmospheric O-O is solely the result of photosynthesis is false. To be blunt, I think you enjoy completely humiliating yourself.
Ilíon wrote:
As I said previously, my point and claim is only that your assertion that atmospheric O-O is solely the result of photosynthesis is false. To be blunt, I think you enjoy completely humiliating yourself.
:laugh: You're so fucking clueless, my sides are splitting! I'm claiming atmospheric oxygen arises from the oxygen cycle, which I've linked to multiple times now and in that article, I specifically referenced the sources of atmospheric oxygen of which there are several. Notably, not one of those sources includes your delusional idea of water and/or hydrogen peroxide being a contributer. So your lie I quoted above is exposed again. Now you're a liar multiple times today. Keep it up! My claim (which is true) is that you're an idiot of monolithic proportions who is so petty that you are resorting to blatant lies to extricate yourself from the abyss of humiliation in which you now reside. Everyone is still waiting for you to explain why you think your original point regarding water (now hydrogen peroxide) is valid when it is not? Your refusal to address it just reinforces how stupid you truly are.
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Oakman wrote:
Other than a level of insult more suited to the second grade, have you got anything to say?
When have you *ever* done other than attempt insults suited to second grade? It's your entire oeuvre.
Ilíon wrote:
When have you *ever* done other than attempt insults suited to second grade? It's your entire oeuvre.
See, now you only say that because your sense of humor just isn't as well-developed as mine is. I am witty. You are half-witty.
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You're a real pitbull aren't you? Once you've bitten you don't release your grip :-D
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K. wrote:
You're a real pitbull aren't you? Once you've bitten you don't release your grip
Not with this idiot. He deserves every ounce! :-\
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But, we knew that.
73Zeppelin wrote:
So, yeah. Apparently when you say "water", you actually mean "hydrogen peroxide". I see.
Where did the hydrogen peroxide that was generated by sunlight acting upon water come from? Where did the hydrogen peroxide that was generated living cells come from? From water.
Ilíon wrote:
Well, yes, you *are* "A moron AND a liar"
Pee-Wee Herman said it better. "I know you are, but what am I?" If you are going to act like a five year old, you might as well emulate someone who did it quite well.
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K. wrote:
You're a real pitbull aren't you? Once you've bitten you don't release your grip
Not with this idiot. He deserves every ounce! :-\
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Not with this idiot. He deserves every ounce
Chomp, chomp, chomp :laugh:
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Really, it's incredible. I point out that he's wrong and then he tries to get out of it by lying and suggesting he meant hydrogen peroxide. I call him out on that and then he lies again. Not only does he lie, he tries to project false things back on me. Now, any sane/normal person would have admitted they were wrong, but not Idiot! He insists to keep digging himself in deeper! Fucking amazing...I only thought such obtuse people existed in works of fiction, but here he is in real life... Just incredible. And from the looks of things he's got no intention of admitting he was/is wrong.
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Really, it's incredible. I point out that he's wrong and then he tries to get out of it by lying and suggesting he meant hydrogen peroxide. I call him out on that and then he lies again. Not only does he lie, he tries to project false things back on me. Now, any sane/normal person would have admitted they were wrong, but not Idiot! He insists to keep digging himself in deeper! Fucking amazing...I only thought such obtuse people existed in works of fiction, but here he is in real life... Just incredible. And from the looks of things he's got no intention of admitting he was/is wrong.
73Zeppelin wrote:
but here he is in real life... Just incredible. And from the looks of things he's got no intention of admitting he was/is wrong.
I suspect that, as a child, he was beaten or humiliated by his parents whenever he was wrong. It's a common form of abuse. Now, as an adult he's terrified of admitting failure -- especially since I suspect his vest pocket god is now the one who punishes him.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
but here he is in real life... Just incredible. And from the looks of things he's got no intention of admitting he was/is wrong.
I suspect that, as a child, he was beaten or humiliated by his parents whenever he was wrong. It's a common form of abuse. Now, as an adult he's terrified of admitting failure -- especially since I suspect his vest pocket god is now the one who punishes him.
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Oakman wrote:
I suspect that, as a child, he was beaten or humiliated by his parents whenever he was wrong. It's a common form of abuse. Now, as an adult he's terrified of admitting failure -- especially since I suspect his vest pocket god is now the one who punishes him.
I arrived at that same conclusion independently. My guess is that he's from a background of abject poverty having been kept in that state by uneducated and/or uncaring parents. If he wasn't such an asshole, I'd pity him, but since he's a dick of unimaginable proportions, I can only sigh and think of the many deserving people who would give their souls to take his place in America. He's truly a pathetic specimen of humanity.
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Impossible! I'm in my bunker.
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
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Oakman wrote:
I suspect that, as a child, he was beaten or humiliated by his parents whenever he was wrong. It's a common form of abuse. Now, as an adult he's terrified of admitting failure -- especially since I suspect his vest pocket god is now the one who punishes him.
I arrived at that same conclusion independently. My guess is that he's from a background of abject poverty having been kept in that state by uneducated and/or uncaring parents. If he wasn't such an asshole, I'd pity him, but since he's a dick of unimaginable proportions, I can only sigh and think of the many deserving people who would give their souls to take his place in America. He's truly a pathetic specimen of humanity.
73Zeppelin wrote:
If he wasn't such an asshole, I'd pity him, but since he's a dick of unimaginable proportions
Unfortunately understanding why someone has failed to become a true adult does not give us the tools to correct the problem. Even if he were to receive counseling, it's doubtful that he could break through years of conditioning. The best thing to do, under the circumstances, is to enjoy whupping his cybernetic ass - and it's obvious you do. ;)
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Not mine...
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
Stan Shannon wrote:
Not mine...
Is it made of cement?
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73Zeppelin wrote:
If he wasn't such an asshole, I'd pity him, but since he's a dick of unimaginable proportions
Unfortunately understanding why someone has failed to become a true adult does not give us the tools to correct the problem. Even if he were to receive counseling, it's doubtful that he could break through years of conditioning. The best thing to do, under the circumstances, is to enjoy whupping his cybernetic ass - and it's obvious you do. ;)
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Oakman wrote:
Unfortunately understanding why someone has failed to become a true adult does not give us the tools to correct the problem. Even if he were to receive counseling, it's doubtful that he could break through years of conditioning. The best thing to do, under the circumstances, is to enjoy whupping his cybernetic ass - and it's obvious you do.
I think that there also has to be an expressed interest to change such deviant behaviour. Obviously he is comfortable with his fantasy-world. To be honest, I don't think he's worth investing the resources on - what could he ever possibly contribute that would be of value to society at this point in his life? It's not particularly difficult to humiliate him - he's quite transparent and exhibits the same repetitive pattern of lies, denial and obvious refusal to address the real issue. He is, in fact, very predictable.
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Really, it's incredible. I point out that he's wrong and then he tries to get out of it by lying and suggesting he meant hydrogen peroxide. I call him out on that and then he lies again. Not only does he lie, he tries to project false things back on me. Now, any sane/normal person would have admitted they were wrong, but not Idiot! He insists to keep digging himself in deeper! Fucking amazing...I only thought such obtuse people existed in works of fiction, but here he is in real life... Just incredible. And from the looks of things he's got no intention of admitting he was/is wrong.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Really, it's incredible. I point out that he's wrong and then he tries to get out of it by lying and suggesting he meant hydrogen peroxide. ...
When sunlight breaks the atomic bonds of some specific water molecule (H-O-H), is there some law of physics by which only one of the bonds may be broken (i.e. resulting in an H-O molecule (*), and a free H atom)? Or, upon occasion, may not both bonds be broken (i.e. resulting in a free O atom and a two free H atoms)? (*) H-O = ozone [edit: a misstatement of my part: H-O != ozone], of which it was asserted[^]: "Because at one point before green plants, there was no oxygen in the atmosphere. No oxygen, no ozone." Amusingly enough, I was not attempting to humiliate you (or Mr Craig), but merely to point out the error of the assertion. But, you do seem to enjoy humiliating yourself, so how could you possibly resist this opportunity?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Not mine...
Is it made of cement?
73Zeppelin wrote:
Is it made of cement?
Of course. And I've made sure not have anything in it that was made in china!
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73Zeppelin wrote:
News flash! Water degrades spontaneously into hydrogen and oxygen!! See here[^]!!
Though, of course, one expects true idiots, such as 73DipStick and his Amen Chorus, to refuse to think and understand:
Hydrogen peroxide tips[^] Hydrogen Peroxide on the other hand, is simply water with an extra oxygen molecule (H2O2) and breaks down into oxygen and water. It's certainly kinder on the environment. H2O2 is produced by both animal and plant cells and is formed naturally in the environment by sunlight acting on water.
Water is O-H-O [edit: OOPS, obviously I meant: H-O-H] Hydrogen peroxide is H-O-O-H [edit:] When H-O-O-H "degrades" into H-O-H and O (obviously, intermediate steps happen), does that not leave a "free" atmospheric O atom? And, since atmospheric O atoms are "unstable," will not two of them "join" to from a "stable" atmospheric O-O "atom?" Did you know (and do you care, even now) that the cells of your own body generate small amounts of hydrogen peroxide? Your [edit: The] assertion[^] was that atmospheric oxygen (i.e. the O-O molecule) is *solely* the result of green plants. This assertion is not true; that was my entire point and claim.
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Ilíon wrote:
[edit:] When H-O-O-H "degrades" into H-O-H and O (obviously, intermediate steps happen), does that not leave a "free" atmospheric O atom? And, since atmospheric O atoms are "unstable," will not two of them "join" to from a "stable" atmospheric O-O "atom?"
Hydrogen peroxide (in water or otherwise) is formed by superoxide (O2-) dismutation (which is a reduced form of atmospheric oxygen). O2- + O2- --> 2O2(2-) + 2H+ --> 2 H2O2 i.e. you need oxygen to create H2O2. When it degrades (2H2O2 --> 2H2O + O2), there is no net O2 created.
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