Networks
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They are so damn complex, it pisses me off.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
Peer to peer networks are relatively simple... what's going wrong? Didn't my info for you in the Lounge help??
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I can understand computers in and out, everything from how the hardware works to software development, but networking has always been a tough subject to me.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
I can understand computers in and out, everything from how the hardware works to software development,
I'm sure. If you're as good at programming as you say why is it you are working as a fast food cook?
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
but networking has always been a tough subject to me.
I am sure many things are that wouldn't be to most normal people. :laugh:
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
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Peer to peer networks are relatively simple... what's going wrong? Didn't my info for you in the Lounge help??
------------------------------------------- Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don't walk behind me, I may not lead; Just bugger off and leave me alone!!
_Damian S_ wrote:
what's going wrong?
Nothing is going wrong, but I'm trying to figure out the ins and outs of networking because I am curious, but its all so complex. For instance, my ISP assigns me an IP address for which other computers can connect to mine, but then more than one computer can access that internet connection, wheather it be through a gateway or a router. Each of my LAN devices has an IP address, then there are default gateways and all this and that.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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They are so damn complex, it pisses me off.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
I can understand computers in and out, everything from how the hardware works to software development,
I'm sure. If you're as good at programming as you say why is it you are working as a fast food cook?
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
but networking has always been a tough subject to me.
I am sure many things are that wouldn't be to most normal people. :laugh:
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
DemonPossessed wrote:
I'm sure. If you're as good at programming as you say why is it you are working as a fast food cook?
It doesn't matter if I am the best programmer in the world. I have to spend thousands of dollars on some receipt that says I have been educated from a school which takes years to get. Then most employers require around 5 years of experience working as a programmer for a company.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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I agree. It must have taken me ten minutes to set up my home network. :mad:
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I can set up a network easily, but I want to actually understand the ins and outs of networking.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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_Damian S_ wrote:
what's going wrong?
Nothing is going wrong, but I'm trying to figure out the ins and outs of networking because I am curious, but its all so complex. For instance, my ISP assigns me an IP address for which other computers can connect to mine, but then more than one computer can access that internet connection, wheather it be through a gateway or a router. Each of my LAN devices has an IP address, then there are default gateways and all this and that.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
Your ISP assigns you an IP address from their public IP address allocations. Your NAT enabled router has an inbuilt DHCP server that allocates a private IP address to each computer on your peer to peer network - PRIVATE being the operative word. It will be in the form 192.168.0.nnn, or 10.0.0.nnn - both of these are dedicated to private networks. The router takes information from each computer and passes it to the internet through your public IP address (to your ISP). Try running the following from a command window: tracert www.ford.com.au It will show you the path your packets take to reach the www.ford.com.au website. The "internet" knows nothing about your subnet. It stops at your public IP address (ie: at your router). Your router takes over from there, multicasting the information to each computer on the network, and the one that wants the information takes it and uses it. Hope this helps.
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DemonPossessed wrote:
I'm sure. If you're as good at programming as you say why is it you are working as a fast food cook?
It doesn't matter if I am the best programmer in the world. I have to spend thousands of dollars on some receipt that says I have been educated from a school which takes years to get. Then most employers require around 5 years of experience working as a programmer for a company.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
. Then most employers require around 5 years of experience working as a programmer for a company.
...and a formal degree.
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Your ISP assigns you an IP address from their public IP address allocations. Your NAT enabled router has an inbuilt DHCP server that allocates a private IP address to each computer on your peer to peer network - PRIVATE being the operative word. It will be in the form 192.168.0.nnn, or 10.0.0.nnn - both of these are dedicated to private networks. The router takes information from each computer and passes it to the internet through your public IP address (to your ISP). Try running the following from a command window: tracert www.ford.com.au It will show you the path your packets take to reach the www.ford.com.au website. The "internet" knows nothing about your subnet. It stops at your public IP address (ie: at your router). Your router takes over from there, multicasting the information to each computer on the network, and the one that wants the information takes it and uses it. Hope this helps.
------------------------------------------- Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don't walk behind me, I may not lead; Just bugger off and leave me alone!!
So if my router has a 4 port gigabit switch with a computer connected to each one, and a 10mbit WAN, and two computers are sending data as fast as they can to eachother, and a 3rd computer is downloading a file from the internet at a full 10mbit, the two other computers bandwidth will be reduced by 10mbit because the data from the WAN is being sent to all the computers?
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
. Then most employers require around 5 years of experience working as a programmer for a company.
...and a formal degree.
73Zeppelin wrote:
...and a formal degree.
Thats the expensive receipt I was talking about. I don't have the money, don't have the time.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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So if my router has a 4 port gigabit switch with a computer connected to each one, and a 10mbit WAN, and two computers are sending data as fast as they can to eachother, and a 3rd computer is downloading a file from the internet at a full 10mbit, the two other computers bandwidth will be reduced by 10mbit because the data from the WAN is being sent to all the computers?
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
Depends how smart your switch is... if it's cluey, it will figure out which computer is after the information when the first packet is sent through, then direct it there. If not, it will simply push it along and the computer that wants it will grab it. Of course, if you have 4 computers connected through a gigabit switch, and one computer is maxing out your internet connection, the other computers will be bandwidth restricted. Given that the minimum connection between computers on your switch would be 100meg (assuming not all computers have gigabit cards in them), and your WAN connection is seemingly topping out at 10 meg, your other computers won't really notice all the packets flying around unless they are also trying to access the internet. Peer to peer comms would still have a minimum of 90meg to play with... In most peer to peer networks, the bandwidth restriction is between the ISP and the router, not between the router and the computers!! Anyway, I have a meeting to go to, so good luck with it!
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73Zeppelin wrote:
...and a formal degree.
Thats the expensive receipt I was talking about. I don't have the money, don't have the time.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
Thats the expensive receipt I was talking about. I don't have the money, don't have the time.
But yet you were trying to make insult me the other day because I am getting a degree and not going straight into the workforce... :laugh: By the way I was nice and answered your question in the lounge.
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
Thats the expensive receipt I was talking about. I don't have the money, don't have the time.
But yet you were trying to make insult me the other day because I am getting a degree and not going straight into the workforce... :laugh: By the way I was nice and answered your question in the lounge.
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
DemonPossessed wrote:
But yet you were trying to make insult me the other day because I am getting a degree and not going straight into the workforce... [Laugh]
I insult you because you insult me for not having some kind of 100k a year job when you are not even working, still living off of mom and dad, not even paying for your own education, food, clothes, computers...
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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DemonPossessed wrote:
But yet you were trying to make insult me the other day because I am getting a degree and not going straight into the workforce... [Laugh]
I insult you because you insult me for not having some kind of 100k a year job when you are not even working, still living off of mom and dad, not even paying for your own education, food, clothes, computers...
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
I insult you
Well you try but all that comes out is something a 5 year old could think up.
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
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73Zeppelin wrote:
...and a formal degree.
Thats the expensive receipt I was talking about. I don't have the money, don't have the time.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
Take out a student loan. Or... Start your own business.
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Depends how smart your switch is... if it's cluey, it will figure out which computer is after the information when the first packet is sent through, then direct it there. If not, it will simply push it along and the computer that wants it will grab it. Of course, if you have 4 computers connected through a gigabit switch, and one computer is maxing out your internet connection, the other computers will be bandwidth restricted. Given that the minimum connection between computers on your switch would be 100meg (assuming not all computers have gigabit cards in them), and your WAN connection is seemingly topping out at 10 meg, your other computers won't really notice all the packets flying around unless they are also trying to access the internet. Peer to peer comms would still have a minimum of 90meg to play with... In most peer to peer networks, the bandwidth restriction is between the ISP and the router, not between the router and the computers!! Anyway, I have a meeting to go to, so good luck with it!
------------------------------------------- Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don't walk behind me, I may not lead; Just bugger off and leave me alone!!
_Damian S_ wrote:
Anyway, I have a meeting to go to
Oh no you don't! :mad: Lets I have 4 computers hooked up to a 4 port router with the modem hooked up on the WAN. On each computer I have a program listening for something on a specific port. A far away computer sends a packet to the IP address my ISP gives me, it sends it on the port the programs are listening on. Will the program on each computer see that packet, even on one of those smart routers?
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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Take out a student loan. Or... Start your own business.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Start your own business.
Thats what I have wanted to do since I was 12.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Anyway, I have a meeting to go to
Oh no you don't! :mad: Lets I have 4 computers hooked up to a 4 port router with the modem hooked up on the WAN. On each computer I have a program listening for something on a specific port. A far away computer sends a packet to the IP address my ISP gives me, it sends it on the port the programs are listening on. Will the program on each computer see that packet, even on one of those smart routers?
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
I'm no network expert, but I think the router fowards ports to a specific IP. On my router, for example, I have to forward ports to my local IP's. So if I want to open port 42000 on 192.168.0.25... Actually, I'd be interested in the answer to that too. I wonder if it's possible to forward, say, port 42000 to 192.168.0.25 AND 192.168.0.30... Hmmmmmmmmm.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Start your own business.
Thats what I have wanted to do since I was 12.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
Thats what I have wanted to do since I was 12.
Vote Democrat, get a government-backed entrepreneur loan and knock yourself out. Seriously, if you have a viable idea, talk to your bank. Present yourself like a respectable citizen with a well thought-out plan. Lots of institutions are interested in business loans.
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
Thats what I have wanted to do since I was 12.
Vote Democrat, get a government-backed entrepreneur loan and knock yourself out. Seriously, if you have a viable idea, talk to your bank. Present yourself like a respectable citizen with a well thought-out plan. Lots of institutions are interested in business loans.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Vote Democrat
Why? So I can be taxed to death and have all my freedoms taken away? That doesn't make sense.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Seriously, if you have a viable idea, talk to your bank. Present yourself like a respectable citizen with a well thought-out plan. Lots of institutions are interested in business loans.
I don't need a lot of money to start my own software company. All I need is a computer, internet connection, and a useful product to sell.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.