Who else saw the "Birth of Israel" on TV on Sunday? (BBC)
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Interesting program, it certainly showed the militancy of the Israelis, and how vicous they were, slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children. I can imaging how the Palestinians feel with this in their recent memory. Also the Palestinians were aparently supporters of Hitler, even today Mein Kampf is still a popular book there. Something else the program said was interesting: the Trans Jordanian invasion force was led by British Officers! So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Interesting program, it certainly showed the militancy of the Israelis, and how vicous they were, slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children. I can imaging how the Palestinians feel with this in their recent memory. Also the Palestinians were aparently supporters of Hitler, even today Mein Kampf is still a popular book there. Something else the program said was interesting: the Trans Jordanian invasion force was led by British Officers! So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
Act like what? I don't recall hearing about Jewish rockets being fired into Gaza, or Jewish suicide bombers blowing up public transport systems. How do you explain these inconsistencies? The original inhabitants (dating back to prehistory) were the Isrealites which eventually became the Jews. If I understand it correctly, the Persians kicked the original Israelites out. I think both sides are guilty, perhaps the radical elements of Palestine bear the most responsibility for the unrest. I don't think Israel has any problem with the existence of Palestine, it's Palestine that has a problem with the existence of Israel.
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Interesting program, it certainly showed the militancy of the Israelis, and how vicous they were, slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children. I can imaging how the Palestinians feel with this in their recent memory. Also the Palestinians were aparently supporters of Hitler, even today Mein Kampf is still a popular book there. Something else the program said was interesting: the Trans Jordanian invasion force was led by British Officers! So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Interesting program, it certainly showed the militancy of the Israelis, and how vicous they were, slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children. I can imaging how the Palestinians feel with this in their recent memory.
There was terrorism on both sides. The Irgun were stone-cold terrorists. Ironically both the Jews and the Palestinians had been promised the right of self-determination over the same bit of land in return for their support during WWI/WWII. The Brits, in a say-anything, do-anything policy of keeping the NAZIs from getting their hands on middle eastern oil had created an untenable situation. Do not be so stupid as to think that the Palestinians were not committing atrocities against the Jews that lived in what became Israel.
fat_boy wrote:
Something else the program said was interesting: the Trans Jordanian invasion force was led by British Officers!
Both the Israeli forces and the Jordanian armies were trained and equipped by the British.
fat_boy wrote:
Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians
Ask yourself rather, did the Jews have the right to expect the British to live up to the Balfour Declaration of 1917. And, after 40 years, if they had the right to be impatient and perhaps somewhat suspicious.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Interesting program, it certainly showed the militancy of the Israelis, and how vicous they were, slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children. I can imaging how the Palestinians feel with this in their recent memory. Also the Palestinians were aparently supporters of Hitler, even today Mein Kampf is still a popular book there. Something else the program said was interesting: the Trans Jordanian invasion force was led by British Officers! So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Interesting program, it certainly showed the militancy of the Israelis, and how vicous they were, slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children. I can imaging how the Palestinians feel with this in their recent memory
first here's a link to the BBC site for the program (you conveniently forgot to add it) now let's see, i don't see a reference to mosque anywhere in there, the Dir Yassin Battle/Massacre (opinions are divided, to this day) is/was one of the darkest points in israel's history, and was condemned by just about every sane person in israel, then again, it's somewhat interesting to see the british people condemn Israel a few years after flattening german cities to the ground.
fat_boy wrote:
So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
how exactly did israel "act" toward the palestinians? care to elaborate?
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fat_boy wrote:
So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
Act like what? I don't recall hearing about Jewish rockets being fired into Gaza, or Jewish suicide bombers blowing up public transport systems. How do you explain these inconsistencies? The original inhabitants (dating back to prehistory) were the Isrealites which eventually became the Jews. If I understand it correctly, the Persians kicked the original Israelites out. I think both sides are guilty, perhaps the radical elements of Palestine bear the most responsibility for the unrest. I don't think Israel has any problem with the existence of Palestine, it's Palestine that has a problem with the existence of Israel.
73Zeppelin wrote:
don't think Israel has any problem with the existence of Palestine, it's Palestine that has a problem with the existence of Israel.
That's your media bias talking, not your fault, but that of your media.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Interesting program, it certainly showed the militancy of the Israelis, and how vicous they were, slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children. I can imaging how the Palestinians feel with this in their recent memory. Also the Palestinians were aparently supporters of Hitler, even today Mein Kampf is still a popular book there. Something else the program said was interesting: the Trans Jordanian invasion force was led by British Officers! So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
No, it's fascinating to consider a group who should know what it means to be persecuted, yet so quick to put the boot in when they are the ones in power.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Interesting program, it certainly showed the militancy of the Israelis, and how vicous they were, slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children. I can imaging how the Palestinians feel with this in their recent memory. Also the Palestinians were aparently supporters of Hitler, even today Mein Kampf is still a popular book there. Something else the program said was interesting: the Trans Jordanian invasion force was led by British Officers! So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Interesting program, it certainly showed the militancy of the Israelis, and how vicous they were, slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children. I can imaging how the Palestinians feel with this in their recent memory.
Well , in fact its true Isrealies (or the early Zionists to be precise) were ruthless when they occupied thier promised land . The islamic terrorism which has taken a brand new dimension as the major threat to global peace has its roots in the palestenian problem .
fat_boy wrote:
Also the Palestinians were aparently supporters of Hitler, even today Mein Kampf is still a popular book there.
Enemy of your enemy is a friend . But none can support the holocaust suffered by 60 million jews in the hands of nazis...
fat_boy wrote:
Something else the program said was interesting: the Trans Jordanian invasion force was led by British Officers!
Not only that there was an army called "The arab legion" commandered by an English general. In fact all the arab nations swore to wipe (the newly born) Isreal from the face of earth . Had the Arab legion been successful in thwarting the still struggling Isreal state all Isrealies would have ended up drowned in red sea . Thanks to internal fights of Whos_the_first_arab_to_contribute_money among Iraq , Egpht , Lebonan , Syria and Jordan - the much expected assault from Arabs never occured fully .
fat_boy wrote:
So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
Of course what they suffered at the hands of Hitler and Stalin substantiated thier claim to thier promised land . What went wrong was due to the divide and escape policies of the English . They left Jerusalem so abrutply that jews and palestenians fought for building by building and street by street . Finally it was the jews who won . The reason is simple - a community which has been suffering for 2000 years (or less , I am not quoting bible here) all over Europe (except for India where the oldest Synagogue outside Isreal is in India and Indians never treated them badly) would ofcourse had its adrenalin running fast and bright - the hunted animal runs faster than the hunting one!! Well , they could have peacefully shared this part o
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fat_boy wrote:
So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
Act like what? I don't recall hearing about Jewish rockets being fired into Gaza, or Jewish suicide bombers blowing up public transport systems. How do you explain these inconsistencies? The original inhabitants (dating back to prehistory) were the Isrealites which eventually became the Jews. If I understand it correctly, the Persians kicked the original Israelites out. I think both sides are guilty, perhaps the radical elements of Palestine bear the most responsibility for the unrest. I don't think Israel has any problem with the existence of Palestine, it's Palestine that has a problem with the existence of Israel.
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fat_boy wrote:
Interesting program, it certainly showed the militancy of the Israelis, and how vicous they were, slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children. I can imaging how the Palestinians feel with this in their recent memory.
There was terrorism on both sides. The Irgun were stone-cold terrorists. Ironically both the Jews and the Palestinians had been promised the right of self-determination over the same bit of land in return for their support during WWI/WWII. The Brits, in a say-anything, do-anything policy of keeping the NAZIs from getting their hands on middle eastern oil had created an untenable situation. Do not be so stupid as to think that the Palestinians were not committing atrocities against the Jews that lived in what became Israel.
fat_boy wrote:
Something else the program said was interesting: the Trans Jordanian invasion force was led by British Officers!
Both the Israeli forces and the Jordanian armies were trained and equipped by the British.
fat_boy wrote:
Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians
Ask yourself rather, did the Jews have the right to expect the British to live up to the Balfour Declaration of 1917. And, after 40 years, if they had the right to be impatient and perhaps somewhat suspicious.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Both the Israeli forces and the Jordanian armies were trained and equipped by the British
Yes, interesting paradox isnt it? The Irgun blew up the Brtitish Army HQ too.
Oakman wrote:
Do not be so stupid as to think that the Palestinians were not committing atrocities against the Jews that lived in what became Israel.
Interesting. Do you have any links to that?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
Interesting program, it certainly showed the militancy of the Israelis, and how vicous they were, slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children. I can imaging how the Palestinians feel with this in their recent memory
first here's a link to the BBC site for the program (you conveniently forgot to add it) now let's see, i don't see a reference to mosque anywhere in there, the Dir Yassin Battle/Massacre (opinions are divided, to this day) is/was one of the darkest points in israel's history, and was condemned by just about every sane person in israel, then again, it's somewhat interesting to see the british people condemn Israel a few years after flattening german cities to the ground.
fat_boy wrote:
So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
how exactly did israel "act" toward the palestinians? care to elaborate?
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73Zeppelin wrote:
don't think Israel has any problem with the existence of Palestine, it's Palestine that has a problem with the existence of Israel.
That's your media bias talking, not your fault, but that of your media.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
That's your media bias talking, not your fault, but that of your media.
No, I don't think so. If Israel wanted Palestine destroyed, they could simply break off all contact and sweep through with their army. They don't do that, and it's not out of fear of Arab reprisals. There's a reason Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc... are labelled as terrorist organizations.
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fat_boy wrote:
Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
No, it's fascinating to consider a group who should know what it means to be persecuted, yet so quick to put the boot in when they are the ones in power.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Act like what?
OK, reread what I wrote, or even better watch the program. "slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children" Get it?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Yeah, and the Palestinians are innocent, how, exactly?
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So you are from Israel. OK, I guesss there is little point discussing this with you.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
Interesting program, it certainly showed the militancy of the Israelis, and how vicous they were, slaughtering a Mosque full of civilians, including women and children. I can imaging how the Palestinians feel with this in their recent memory.
Well , in fact its true Isrealies (or the early Zionists to be precise) were ruthless when they occupied thier promised land . The islamic terrorism which has taken a brand new dimension as the major threat to global peace has its roots in the palestenian problem .
fat_boy wrote:
Also the Palestinians were aparently supporters of Hitler, even today Mein Kampf is still a popular book there.
Enemy of your enemy is a friend . But none can support the holocaust suffered by 60 million jews in the hands of nazis...
fat_boy wrote:
Something else the program said was interesting: the Trans Jordanian invasion force was led by British Officers!
Not only that there was an army called "The arab legion" commandered by an English general. In fact all the arab nations swore to wipe (the newly born) Isreal from the face of earth . Had the Arab legion been successful in thwarting the still struggling Isreal state all Isrealies would have ended up drowned in red sea . Thanks to internal fights of Whos_the_first_arab_to_contribute_money among Iraq , Egpht , Lebonan , Syria and Jordan - the much expected assault from Arabs never occured fully .
fat_boy wrote:
So here's the wquestion; Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
Of course what they suffered at the hands of Hitler and Stalin substantiated thier claim to thier promised land . What went wrong was due to the divide and escape policies of the English . They left Jerusalem so abrutply that jews and palestenians fought for building by building and street by street . Finally it was the jews who won . The reason is simple - a community which has been suffering for 2000 years (or less , I am not quoting bible here) all over Europe (except for India where the oldest Synagogue outside Isreal is in India and Indians never treated them badly) would ofcourse had its adrenalin running fast and bright - the hunted animal runs faster than the hunting one!! Well , they could have peacefully shared this part o
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So you are from Israel. OK, I guesss there is little point discussing this with you.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
So you are from Israel. OK, I guesss there is little point discussing this with you.
Oh, what a cop-out. Since you're not Jewish or Palestinian, there's little point in you raising this issue, is there?
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Careful, you might be labeled an anti-semite. :suss:
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Yeah, I 5d you because you got what I regard was probably a mindless 1. It's the old trick, cry racism to deflect any sort of serious discussion.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Yeah, and the Palestinians are innocent, how, exactly?
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really? i thought the whole purpose of posting this on the forums was to create a debate. then again, perhaps all you wanted was a bunch of people to nod and agree to anything you say, no matter how inaccurate it is.
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Christian Graus wrote:
That's your media bias talking, not your fault, but that of your media.
No, I don't think so. If Israel wanted Palestine destroyed, they could simply break off all contact and sweep through with their army. They don't do that, and it's not out of fear of Arab reprisals. There's a reason Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc... are labelled as terrorist organizations.
73Zeppelin wrote:
If Israel wanted Palestine destroyed, they could simply break off all contact and sweep through with their army
I think they are happy just to keep them under submission, and they certainly do that. But historically, they have certainly done worse, perhaps before they had to worry about negative press, or under different leadership ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )