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    R Giskard Reventlov
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    Without question one of the finest, most beautifully expounded and accurate posts I've had the privilege to read on CP. Here is the link for the post in context but I've taken the liberty of reproducing it here: Why Ilion cannot[^] That will never happen. Because of Ilion's coping mechanisms in a world that terrifies him he cannot admit to error. According to Wikipedia, 'superiority complex' refers to a subconscious neurotic mechanism of compensation developed by the individual as a result of feelings of inferiority. The feelings of inferiority in this specific complex are often brought on by real or perceived social rejection, possibly as a result of the individual's inattentiveness to hygiene, appearance, or lower intelligence as compared to others. Those exhibiting a superiority complex commonly project their feelings of inferiority onto others they perceive as beneath them, possibly for the same reasons they themselves may have been ostracized, i.e. viewing most, possibly all others as "ugly" or "stupid", and beneath oneself. Behaviors related to this mechanism may include an exaggeratedly positive opinion of one’s worth and abilities, unrealistically high expectations in goals and achievements for oneself and others, the persistent attempt to correct others regardless of whether they are factually correct or not, vanity, extravagant style in dressing (with intent of drawing attention), excessive need for competition, pride, sentimentalism and affected exaltation, snobbishness, and a tendency to try to discredit others' opinions, as well as forcefulness and hostility aimed at dominating those he has convinced himself are weaker or less important. Ilion projects an air of contempt for his fellow CPians and often writes as if he is the only poster who is capable of expounding a particular truth. His words suggest that he becomes livid when there is someone who knows more than he does about a subject on which he posted. He rushes into threads with the deluded conviction that he will be the one recognized as owning the truth. And, as I said, he refuses to admit error, no matter how clearly it is pointed out to him, because to do so would force him to give up his cherished feelings of superiority. Ilion is a classic case of the defensive ‘superiority complex.’ His behavior in Soapbox i

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      Without question one of the finest, most beautifully expounded and accurate posts I've had the privilege to read on CP. Here is the link for the post in context but I've taken the liberty of reproducing it here: Why Ilion cannot[^] That will never happen. Because of Ilion's coping mechanisms in a world that terrifies him he cannot admit to error. According to Wikipedia, 'superiority complex' refers to a subconscious neurotic mechanism of compensation developed by the individual as a result of feelings of inferiority. The feelings of inferiority in this specific complex are often brought on by real or perceived social rejection, possibly as a result of the individual's inattentiveness to hygiene, appearance, or lower intelligence as compared to others. Those exhibiting a superiority complex commonly project their feelings of inferiority onto others they perceive as beneath them, possibly for the same reasons they themselves may have been ostracized, i.e. viewing most, possibly all others as "ugly" or "stupid", and beneath oneself. Behaviors related to this mechanism may include an exaggeratedly positive opinion of one’s worth and abilities, unrealistically high expectations in goals and achievements for oneself and others, the persistent attempt to correct others regardless of whether they are factually correct or not, vanity, extravagant style in dressing (with intent of drawing attention), excessive need for competition, pride, sentimentalism and affected exaltation, snobbishness, and a tendency to try to discredit others' opinions, as well as forcefulness and hostility aimed at dominating those he has convinced himself are weaker or less important. Ilion projects an air of contempt for his fellow CPians and often writes as if he is the only poster who is capable of expounding a particular truth. His words suggest that he becomes livid when there is someone who knows more than he does about a subject on which he posted. He rushes into threads with the deluded conviction that he will be the one recognized as owning the truth. And, as I said, he refuses to admit error, no matter how clearly it is pointed out to him, because to do so would force him to give up his cherished feelings of superiority. Ilion is a classic case of the defensive ‘superiority complex.’ His behavior in Soapbox i

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      Stan Shannon
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      My only question is what qualifications does jon have for psychoanalyzing anyone? As someone who has actually studied psychology, I find the lockstep intellectual reaction to someone like Ilion (or myself or anyone else who presents unpopular arguments) to be far more interesting.

      Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

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        My only question is what qualifications does jon have for psychoanalyzing anyone? As someone who has actually studied psychology, I find the lockstep intellectual reaction to someone like Ilion (or myself or anyone else who presents unpopular arguments) to be far more interesting.

        Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

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        Stan Shannon wrote:

        As someone who has actually studied psychology,

        Awesome, another point we have in common. My major was initially "Behavioral Sciences" (a combination of psychology and sociology) ... but I think I wasn't "crazy" enough ;) to stick with the subject matter (and then, those damned Marxist profs you had to put up with!)

        Stan Shannon wrote:

        I find the lockstep intellectual reaction to someone like Ilion (or myself or anyone else who presents unpopular arguments) to be far more interesting.

        Yeppers.

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          Without question one of the finest, most beautifully expounded and accurate posts I've had the privilege to read on CP. Here is the link for the post in context but I've taken the liberty of reproducing it here: Why Ilion cannot[^] That will never happen. Because of Ilion's coping mechanisms in a world that terrifies him he cannot admit to error. According to Wikipedia, 'superiority complex' refers to a subconscious neurotic mechanism of compensation developed by the individual as a result of feelings of inferiority. The feelings of inferiority in this specific complex are often brought on by real or perceived social rejection, possibly as a result of the individual's inattentiveness to hygiene, appearance, or lower intelligence as compared to others. Those exhibiting a superiority complex commonly project their feelings of inferiority onto others they perceive as beneath them, possibly for the same reasons they themselves may have been ostracized, i.e. viewing most, possibly all others as "ugly" or "stupid", and beneath oneself. Behaviors related to this mechanism may include an exaggeratedly positive opinion of one’s worth and abilities, unrealistically high expectations in goals and achievements for oneself and others, the persistent attempt to correct others regardless of whether they are factually correct or not, vanity, extravagant style in dressing (with intent of drawing attention), excessive need for competition, pride, sentimentalism and affected exaltation, snobbishness, and a tendency to try to discredit others' opinions, as well as forcefulness and hostility aimed at dominating those he has convinced himself are weaker or less important. Ilion projects an air of contempt for his fellow CPians and often writes as if he is the only poster who is capable of expounding a particular truth. His words suggest that he becomes livid when there is someone who knows more than he does about a subject on which he posted. He rushes into threads with the deluded conviction that he will be the one recognized as owning the truth. And, as I said, he refuses to admit error, no matter how clearly it is pointed out to him, because to do so would force him to give up his cherished feelings of superiority. Ilion is a classic case of the defensive ‘superiority complex.’ His behavior in Soapbox i

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          digital man wrote:

          Oakman, I tip my hat to you, sir.

          I think the rest of us really ought to keep the two of you at a safe distance.

          Oakman sez:[^] ... and your dick is way too small.

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            Without question one of the finest, most beautifully expounded and accurate posts I've had the privilege to read on CP. Here is the link for the post in context but I've taken the liberty of reproducing it here: Why Ilion cannot[^] That will never happen. Because of Ilion's coping mechanisms in a world that terrifies him he cannot admit to error. According to Wikipedia, 'superiority complex' refers to a subconscious neurotic mechanism of compensation developed by the individual as a result of feelings of inferiority. The feelings of inferiority in this specific complex are often brought on by real or perceived social rejection, possibly as a result of the individual's inattentiveness to hygiene, appearance, or lower intelligence as compared to others. Those exhibiting a superiority complex commonly project their feelings of inferiority onto others they perceive as beneath them, possibly for the same reasons they themselves may have been ostracized, i.e. viewing most, possibly all others as "ugly" or "stupid", and beneath oneself. Behaviors related to this mechanism may include an exaggeratedly positive opinion of one’s worth and abilities, unrealistically high expectations in goals and achievements for oneself and others, the persistent attempt to correct others regardless of whether they are factually correct or not, vanity, extravagant style in dressing (with intent of drawing attention), excessive need for competition, pride, sentimentalism and affected exaltation, snobbishness, and a tendency to try to discredit others' opinions, as well as forcefulness and hostility aimed at dominating those he has convinced himself are weaker or less important. Ilion projects an air of contempt for his fellow CPians and often writes as if he is the only poster who is capable of expounding a particular truth. His words suggest that he becomes livid when there is someone who knows more than he does about a subject on which he posted. He rushes into threads with the deluded conviction that he will be the one recognized as owning the truth. And, as I said, he refuses to admit error, no matter how clearly it is pointed out to him, because to do so would force him to give up his cherished feelings of superiority. Ilion is a classic case of the defensive ‘superiority complex.’ His behavior in Soapbox i

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            Oakman either copied alot of that or has spent an unhealthy amount of time thinking about Illions condition.:suss:

            Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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              Oakman either copied alot of that or has spent an unhealthy amount of time thinking about Illions condition.:suss:

              Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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              fat_boy wrote:

              Oakman either copied alot of that or has spent an unhealthy amount of time thinking about Illions condition. :suss:

              Must it really be either-or? It's some phycho-babble he picked up (and spent wasted an inordinate amount of time to "personalize"), I think directly from some Wiki "article." some more "unhealthy ... thinking about Illions condition:"

              Oakman sez:[^] ... and your dick is way too small.

              :laugh:

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                Oakman either copied alot of that or has spent an unhealthy amount of time thinking about Illions condition.:suss:

                Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                R Giskard Reventlov
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                Either way he has him to a tee and, whilst others may be unhappy with the content, nobody is refuting the conclusion.

                me, me, me

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                  fat_boy wrote:

                  Oakman either copied alot of that or has spent an unhealthy amount of time thinking about Illions condition. :suss:

                  Must it really be either-or? It's some phycho-babble he picked up (and spent wasted an inordinate amount of time to "personalize"), I think directly from some Wiki "article." some more "unhealthy ... thinking about Illions condition:"

                  Oakman sez:[^] ... and your dick is way too small.

                  :laugh:

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                  I don't know why it's bothering you Ilion, we all know the almighty created you like you are for a reason..... If you've got a 'superiority complex' and a dick that is way too small, don't worry about it. I'm sure him up there still loves you.

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                    My only question is what qualifications does jon have for psychoanalyzing anyone? As someone who has actually studied psychology, I find the lockstep intellectual reaction to someone like Ilion (or myself or anyone else who presents unpopular arguments) to be far more interesting.

                    Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

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                    Oakman
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                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                    As someone who has actually studied psychology

                    Reading a textbook once upon a time doesn't make you a psychologist, Stan.

                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                    find the lockstep intellectual reaction to someone like Ilion (or myself or anyone else who presents unpopular arguments) to be far more interesting.

                    It really is too bad that neither of you have either the wit nor the wisdom to learn from the response. Nor consider the fact that CSS and Adnan are likewise ostracized. Instead, all four of you retreat to calling everyone else a fool, because you have no other response with which to comfort yourself. In your case, it's a shame because, occasionally, you show yourself as having far more on the ball than the other three.

                    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                      Either way he has him to a tee and, whilst others may be unhappy with the content, nobody is refuting the conclusion.

                      me, me, me

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                      digital man wrote:

                      Either way he has him to a tee

                      Isnt this just boiler plate psycho babbel though? I mean, it might reflect Ilions true nature, but equally it might not. We are all hidden by anonymity and all project parts of our personalities, often those that dont get much airing, because there is no comeback.

                      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                        digital man wrote:

                        Oakman, I tip my hat to you, sir.

                        I think the rest of us really ought to keep the two of you at a safe distance.

                        Oakman sez:[^] ... and your dick is way too small.

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                        Ilíon wrote:

                        I think

                        Since when?

                        Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                          I don't know why it's bothering you Ilion, we all know the almighty created you like you are for a reason..... If you've got a 'superiority complex' and a dick that is way too small, don't worry about it. I'm sure him up there still loves you.

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                          John Davids wrote:

                          I don't know why it's bothering you Ilion,

                          I'm not sure which "bothers" me more ... that Oakman tells the whole world that he's been "taking the measure of the man" ;) (and never once asked for permission) ... or that *you* are not bothered by his claimed actions. :laugh:

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                            Ilíon wrote:

                            I think

                            Since when?

                            Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                            :laugh:

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                              Oakman either copied alot of that or has spent an unhealthy amount of time thinking about Illions condition.:suss:

                              Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                              fat_boy wrote:

                              Oakman either copied alot of that

                              I gave credit to the article I used to check on the definition of Ilidgit's condition. The rest was amazingly easy to write. I have spent far more time writing a much shorter post to you about the derivation of words.

                              Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                John Davids wrote:

                                I don't know why it's bothering you Ilion,

                                I'm not sure which "bothers" me more ... that Oakman tells the whole world that he's been "taking the measure of the man" ;) (and never once asked for permission) ... or that *you* are not bothered by his claimed actions. :laugh:

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                                The way you've been going on about my reminding you that your brain was too small, your belly to large and your dick too tiny to compete with me, I have to assume that you are just thrilled beyong all measure. You've been reminding me about the phrase in exactly the same manner that a female cat parades back and forth when she's in heat. How many times do I have to tell you - No Sale.

                                Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                  digital man wrote:

                                  Either way he has him to a tee

                                  Isnt this just boiler plate psycho babbel though? I mean, it might reflect Ilions true nature, but equally it might not. We are all hidden by anonymity and all project parts of our personalities, often those that dont get much airing, because there is no comeback.

                                  Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                  R Giskard Reventlov
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                                  To an extent, possibly but I think the bubble starts to fall away after a while and we present who we really are: I would think it difficult to maintian the artifice and mask for too long especially in some of the heated arguments that take place. I'm sure that will get (and reasonably so) argued with: I do not know, with certainty, if I'm right on this but long experience of people and life tells me I might well be.

                                  me, me, me

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                                    John Davids wrote:

                                    I don't know why it's bothering you Ilion,

                                    I'm not sure which "bothers" me more ... that Oakman tells the whole world that he's been "taking the measure of the man" ;) (and never once asked for permission) ... or that *you* are not bothered by his claimed actions. :laugh:

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                                    Ah yes, here comes the puerility...

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                                      digital man wrote:

                                      Either way he has him to a tee

                                      Isnt this just boiler plate psycho babbel though? I mean, it might reflect Ilions true nature, but equally it might not. We are all hidden by anonymity and all project parts of our personalities, often those that dont get much airing, because there is no comeback.

                                      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                      Oakman
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                                      fat_boy wrote:

                                      I mean, it might reflect Ilions true nature, but equally it might not

                                      You are absolutely right. But if my diagnosis is correct you'll be able to use it to predict his future behavior, and you'll find few or no behaviors in his past that contradict what I wrote. I think you'd find that to be the case.

                                      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                        Ah yes, here comes the puerility...

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                                        73Zeppelin wrote:

                                        Ah yes, here comes the puerility...

                                        And all the one votes :rolleyes:

                                        Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                          Ah yes, here comes the puerility...

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                                          73Zeppelin wrote:

                                          Ah yes, here comes the puerility...

                                          You know a lot about that, don't you? And you approve ... of course, when I turn it back on you (plural), then suddenly, it's not approved.

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