What is wrong with this place? [modified]
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While I agree with the sentiment that yesterdays flames were unacceptable, I can't help feeling that your posting this is just going to feed more flames. I happen to think that Leckey's idea to vent on her blog is the right one, and I think we'd all be better off if that's what we did - vent on our blogs. Don't bring it back up because that just kicks things off again, so I'm afraid that I think you are as guilty as Nish was (did Leckey ask you to speak up on her behalf). I'm afraid that I think we are all a bit guilty of hypocrisy here, so I think that we'd all better step back, take a breath and move on.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
I just replied to Mustafa with essentially what I would reply to you. I'm not posting this on leckey's behalf - I'm posting it for me, because I don't want a Lounge where it's okay to hate each other in public.
Imagine that you are hired to build a bridge over a river. The river gets slightly wider every day; sometimes it shrinks but nobody can predict when. Your contract says you can't use concrete or steel - the client only provides timber and cut stone (but won't tell you what kind). Gravity changes from hour to hour, as does the viscosity of air. Your only tools are a hacksaw, a chainsaw, a rubber mallet, and a length of rope. Welcome to my world. -Me explaining my job to an engineer
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As I wandered through the Lounge on my breaks yesterday I smirked, then laughed, then cried. What happened to this place? I always thought the Lounge was a place we could all get together, have fun, be silly, and just generally enjoy ourselves. That ideal broke down yesterday. Yes, I'm talking about the huge, mega 20+ page bunch of threads about leckey's list. Michael Schubert, I have nothing bad to say about you. You saw something that looked interesting and posted it for the rest of us to share. That's what I think the Lounge is for, to find things in our lives and on the Internet and to say to everyone, "hey check this out, I think you'd be interested!" And then things got a little weird. Instead of people saying "hey, that's pretty funny, thanks for bringing it to my attention," people instead began saying ":mad: that's horrible and you're horrible, how could you say that about those people?" Now everyone is entitled to their opinion and I don't mind a little debate here, that's another thing that makes the Lounge fun, and eventually that thread died out. Big deal. But then someone deliberately broke the rules, and it's someone who should have known better. Nishant Sivakumar (a.k.a. Nish), I respect you a lot because you have a whole lot of skill and talent. It takes a lot to make CodeProject MVP, and it's even harder to make Microsoft MVP, and I have to give you all the credit you're due for having achieved both. But despite all that, I am calling you out on the carpet right now. You purposefully broke the rules. Everyone rags on newbies and idiots who post "PLZ HELP GIVE ME CODEZ" in the Lounge. The big red phrase "DO NOT POST PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS HERE" is prominently displayed everywhere. But there's more text under that, and I specifically refer you to the part that says "no flame wars." Nish, the title of your post was "Wow - potential character assasination attempt!" Call me crazy, but that sounds like the opening salvo of a flame war to me. The content of your post wasn't overtly objectionable, but you stressed plenty of times that you thought leckey was an idiot herself. Did d@nish ask you to speak on his behalf, Nish? Do you think he cares whether leckey thinks he might be an idiot? Do you really, honestly think that a potential employer would somehow follow a Lounge link to leckey's blog and with all of d@nish's code samples, resume, and glowing recommendations from friends and former employers say to himself, "gee, this lady says on her blog that this kid's
I saw that yesterday and decided it was a bad day in the lounge so I ignored it and used the rest of the site. It doesn't happen often. But like everyday life, people have bad days and sometimes others feed off of that and use it to take out their own pent-up frustrations. I see it as reality, even in a "virtual" community :laugh:
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I just replied to Mustafa with essentially what I would reply to you. I'm not posting this on leckey's behalf - I'm posting it for me, because I don't want a Lounge where it's okay to hate each other in public.
Imagine that you are hired to build a bridge over a river. The river gets slightly wider every day; sometimes it shrinks but nobody can predict when. Your contract says you can't use concrete or steel - the client only provides timber and cut stone (but won't tell you what kind). Gravity changes from hour to hour, as does the viscosity of air. Your only tools are a hacksaw, a chainsaw, a rubber mallet, and a length of rope. Welcome to my world. -Me explaining my job to an engineer
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As I wandered through the Lounge on my breaks yesterday I smirked, then laughed, then cried. What happened to this place? I always thought the Lounge was a place we could all get together, have fun, be silly, and just generally enjoy ourselves. That ideal broke down yesterday. Yes, I'm talking about the huge, mega 20+ page bunch of threads about leckey's list. Michael Schubert, I have nothing bad to say about you. You saw something that looked interesting and posted it for the rest of us to share. That's what I think the Lounge is for, to find things in our lives and on the Internet and to say to everyone, "hey check this out, I think you'd be interested!" And then things got a little weird. Instead of people saying "hey, that's pretty funny, thanks for bringing it to my attention," people instead began saying ":mad: that's horrible and you're horrible, how could you say that about those people?" Now everyone is entitled to their opinion and I don't mind a little debate here, that's another thing that makes the Lounge fun, and eventually that thread died out. Big deal. But then someone deliberately broke the rules, and it's someone who should have known better. Nishant Sivakumar (a.k.a. Nish), I respect you a lot because you have a whole lot of skill and talent. It takes a lot to make CodeProject MVP, and it's even harder to make Microsoft MVP, and I have to give you all the credit you're due for having achieved both. But despite all that, I am calling you out on the carpet right now. You purposefully broke the rules. Everyone rags on newbies and idiots who post "PLZ HELP GIVE ME CODEZ" in the Lounge. The big red phrase "DO NOT POST PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS HERE" is prominently displayed everywhere. But there's more text under that, and I specifically refer you to the part that says "no flame wars." Nish, the title of your post was "Wow - potential character assasination attempt!" Call me crazy, but that sounds like the opening salvo of a flame war to me. The content of your post wasn't overtly objectionable, but you stressed plenty of times that you thought leckey was an idiot herself. Did d@nish ask you to speak on his behalf, Nish? Do you think he cares whether leckey thinks he might be an idiot? Do you really, honestly think that a potential employer would somehow follow a Lounge link to leckey's blog and with all of d@nish's code samples, resume, and glowing recommendations from friends and former employers say to himself, "gee, this lady says on her blog that this kid's
Believe me, I did not expect that the thread would take that direction, nor did I want it to. It doesn't help to point fingers or put the blame on anyone so let's just forget about it.
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It's kind of statments like that, that cause flames, the guy is being serious over a serious issue and you drop remarks like "Nice sig":|
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As I wandered through the Lounge on my breaks yesterday I smirked, then laughed, then cried. What happened to this place? I always thought the Lounge was a place we could all get together, have fun, be silly, and just generally enjoy ourselves. That ideal broke down yesterday. Yes, I'm talking about the huge, mega 20+ page bunch of threads about leckey's list. Michael Schubert, I have nothing bad to say about you. You saw something that looked interesting and posted it for the rest of us to share. That's what I think the Lounge is for, to find things in our lives and on the Internet and to say to everyone, "hey check this out, I think you'd be interested!" And then things got a little weird. Instead of people saying "hey, that's pretty funny, thanks for bringing it to my attention," people instead began saying ":mad: that's horrible and you're horrible, how could you say that about those people?" Now everyone is entitled to their opinion and I don't mind a little debate here, that's another thing that makes the Lounge fun, and eventually that thread died out. Big deal. But then someone deliberately broke the rules, and it's someone who should have known better. Nishant Sivakumar (a.k.a. Nish), I respect you a lot because you have a whole lot of skill and talent. It takes a lot to make CodeProject MVP, and it's even harder to make Microsoft MVP, and I have to give you all the credit you're due for having achieved both. But despite all that, I am calling you out on the carpet right now. You purposefully broke the rules. Everyone rags on newbies and idiots who post "PLZ HELP GIVE ME CODEZ" in the Lounge. The big red phrase "DO NOT POST PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS HERE" is prominently displayed everywhere. But there's more text under that, and I specifically refer you to the part that says "no flame wars." Nish, the title of your post was "Wow - potential character assasination attempt!" Call me crazy, but that sounds like the opening salvo of a flame war to me. The content of your post wasn't overtly objectionable, but you stressed plenty of times that you thought leckey was an idiot herself. Did d@nish ask you to speak on his behalf, Nish? Do you think he cares whether leckey thinks he might be an idiot? Do you really, honestly think that a potential employer would somehow follow a Lounge link to leckey's blog and with all of d@nish's code samples, resume, and glowing recommendations from friends and former employers say to himself, "gee, this lady says on her blog that this kid's
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Robert Royall wrote:
Please, no more flames.
Well, that's two mornings now where this has been the top topic here. Thanks.
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
Shog9 wrote:
Well, that's two mornings now where this has been the top topic here. Thanks.
I'm about leave for home and it's 8 PM. :)
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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I saw that yesterday and decided it was a bad day in the lounge so I ignored it and used the rest of the site. It doesn't happen often. But like everyday life, people have bad days and sometimes others feed off of that and use it to take out their own pent-up frustrations. I see it as reality, even in a "virtual" community :laugh:
Bert delaVega wrote:
I see it as reality, even in a "virtual" community
Apropos! I read that as "a viral community". :laugh:
Pits fall into Chuck Norris.
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Shog9 wrote:
Well, that's two mornings now where this has been the top topic here. Thanks.
I'm about leave for home and it's 8 PM. :)
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
me too :) almost 5pm
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL think BIG and kick ASS
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As I wandered through the Lounge on my breaks yesterday I smirked, then laughed, then cried. What happened to this place? I always thought the Lounge was a place we could all get together, have fun, be silly, and just generally enjoy ourselves. That ideal broke down yesterday. Yes, I'm talking about the huge, mega 20+ page bunch of threads about leckey's list. Michael Schubert, I have nothing bad to say about you. You saw something that looked interesting and posted it for the rest of us to share. That's what I think the Lounge is for, to find things in our lives and on the Internet and to say to everyone, "hey check this out, I think you'd be interested!" And then things got a little weird. Instead of people saying "hey, that's pretty funny, thanks for bringing it to my attention," people instead began saying ":mad: that's horrible and you're horrible, how could you say that about those people?" Now everyone is entitled to their opinion and I don't mind a little debate here, that's another thing that makes the Lounge fun, and eventually that thread died out. Big deal. But then someone deliberately broke the rules, and it's someone who should have known better. Nishant Sivakumar (a.k.a. Nish), I respect you a lot because you have a whole lot of skill and talent. It takes a lot to make CodeProject MVP, and it's even harder to make Microsoft MVP, and I have to give you all the credit you're due for having achieved both. But despite all that, I am calling you out on the carpet right now. You purposefully broke the rules. Everyone rags on newbies and idiots who post "PLZ HELP GIVE ME CODEZ" in the Lounge. The big red phrase "DO NOT POST PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS HERE" is prominently displayed everywhere. But there's more text under that, and I specifically refer you to the part that says "no flame wars." Nish, the title of your post was "Wow - potential character assasination attempt!" Call me crazy, but that sounds like the opening salvo of a flame war to me. The content of your post wasn't overtly objectionable, but you stressed plenty of times that you thought leckey was an idiot herself. Did d@nish ask you to speak on his behalf, Nish? Do you think he cares whether leckey thinks he might be an idiot? Do you really, honestly think that a potential employer would somehow follow a Lounge link to leckey's blog and with all of d@nish's code samples, resume, and glowing recommendations from friends and former employers say to himself, "gee, this lady says on her blog that this kid's
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Robert Royall wrote:
One of the things I love so much about this place is the strong sense of community - we all care about each other and we all want to help each other achieve our greatest potential. That feeling broke down yesterday, and for a while I felt like I was drifting without an anchor, cut off from the community that cared for me and supported me. I don't like that feeling. I don't think anyone does.
Agreed But leave it. I dont want to spend another hour browsing one more never ending thread.
My idea of ideal life : Eat, Sleep, Repeat
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me too :) almost 5pm
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL think BIG and kick ASS
you.suck = (you.passion != Programming) -
As I wandered through the Lounge on my breaks yesterday I smirked, then laughed, then cried. What happened to this place? I always thought the Lounge was a place we could all get together, have fun, be silly, and just generally enjoy ourselves. That ideal broke down yesterday. Yes, I'm talking about the huge, mega 20+ page bunch of threads about leckey's list. Michael Schubert, I have nothing bad to say about you. You saw something that looked interesting and posted it for the rest of us to share. That's what I think the Lounge is for, to find things in our lives and on the Internet and to say to everyone, "hey check this out, I think you'd be interested!" And then things got a little weird. Instead of people saying "hey, that's pretty funny, thanks for bringing it to my attention," people instead began saying ":mad: that's horrible and you're horrible, how could you say that about those people?" Now everyone is entitled to their opinion and I don't mind a little debate here, that's another thing that makes the Lounge fun, and eventually that thread died out. Big deal. But then someone deliberately broke the rules, and it's someone who should have known better. Nishant Sivakumar (a.k.a. Nish), I respect you a lot because you have a whole lot of skill and talent. It takes a lot to make CodeProject MVP, and it's even harder to make Microsoft MVP, and I have to give you all the credit you're due for having achieved both. But despite all that, I am calling you out on the carpet right now. You purposefully broke the rules. Everyone rags on newbies and idiots who post "PLZ HELP GIVE ME CODEZ" in the Lounge. The big red phrase "DO NOT POST PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS HERE" is prominently displayed everywhere. But there's more text under that, and I specifically refer you to the part that says "no flame wars." Nish, the title of your post was "Wow - potential character assasination attempt!" Call me crazy, but that sounds like the opening salvo of a flame war to me. The content of your post wasn't overtly objectionable, but you stressed plenty of times that you thought leckey was an idiot herself. Did d@nish ask you to speak on his behalf, Nish? Do you think he cares whether leckey thinks he might be an idiot? Do you really, honestly think that a potential employer would somehow follow a Lounge link to leckey's blog and with all of d@nish's code samples, resume, and glowing recommendations from friends and former employers say to himself, "gee, this lady says on her blog that this kid's
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Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
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While I agree with the sentiment that yesterdays flames were unacceptable, I can't help feeling that your posting this is just going to feed more flames. I happen to think that Leckey's idea to vent on her blog is the right one, and I think we'd all be better off if that's what we did - vent on our blogs. Don't bring it back up because that just kicks things off again, so I'm afraid that I think you are as guilty as Nish was (did Leckey ask you to speak up on her behalf). I'm afraid that I think we are all a bit guilty of hypocrisy here, so I think that we'd all better step back, take a breath and move on.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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As I wandered through the Lounge on my breaks yesterday I smirked, then laughed, then cried. What happened to this place? I always thought the Lounge was a place we could all get together, have fun, be silly, and just generally enjoy ourselves. That ideal broke down yesterday. Yes, I'm talking about the huge, mega 20+ page bunch of threads about leckey's list. Michael Schubert, I have nothing bad to say about you. You saw something that looked interesting and posted it for the rest of us to share. That's what I think the Lounge is for, to find things in our lives and on the Internet and to say to everyone, "hey check this out, I think you'd be interested!" And then things got a little weird. Instead of people saying "hey, that's pretty funny, thanks for bringing it to my attention," people instead began saying ":mad: that's horrible and you're horrible, how could you say that about those people?" Now everyone is entitled to their opinion and I don't mind a little debate here, that's another thing that makes the Lounge fun, and eventually that thread died out. Big deal. But then someone deliberately broke the rules, and it's someone who should have known better. Nishant Sivakumar (a.k.a. Nish), I respect you a lot because you have a whole lot of skill and talent. It takes a lot to make CodeProject MVP, and it's even harder to make Microsoft MVP, and I have to give you all the credit you're due for having achieved both. But despite all that, I am calling you out on the carpet right now. You purposefully broke the rules. Everyone rags on newbies and idiots who post "PLZ HELP GIVE ME CODEZ" in the Lounge. The big red phrase "DO NOT POST PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS HERE" is prominently displayed everywhere. But there's more text under that, and I specifically refer you to the part that says "no flame wars." Nish, the title of your post was "Wow - potential character assasination attempt!" Call me crazy, but that sounds like the opening salvo of a flame war to me. The content of your post wasn't overtly objectionable, but you stressed plenty of times that you thought leckey was an idiot herself. Did d@nish ask you to speak on his behalf, Nish? Do you think he cares whether leckey thinks he might be an idiot? Do you really, honestly think that a potential employer would somehow follow a Lounge link to leckey's blog and with all of d@nish's code samples, resume, and glowing recommendations from friends and former employers say to himself, "gee, this lady says on her blog that this kid's
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As I wandered through the Lounge on my breaks yesterday I smirked, then laughed, then cried. What happened to this place? I always thought the Lounge was a place we could all get together, have fun, be silly, and just generally enjoy ourselves. That ideal broke down yesterday. Yes, I'm talking about the huge, mega 20+ page bunch of threads about leckey's list. Michael Schubert, I have nothing bad to say about you. You saw something that looked interesting and posted it for the rest of us to share. That's what I think the Lounge is for, to find things in our lives and on the Internet and to say to everyone, "hey check this out, I think you'd be interested!" And then things got a little weird. Instead of people saying "hey, that's pretty funny, thanks for bringing it to my attention," people instead began saying ":mad: that's horrible and you're horrible, how could you say that about those people?" Now everyone is entitled to their opinion and I don't mind a little debate here, that's another thing that makes the Lounge fun, and eventually that thread died out. Big deal. But then someone deliberately broke the rules, and it's someone who should have known better. Nishant Sivakumar (a.k.a. Nish), I respect you a lot because you have a whole lot of skill and talent. It takes a lot to make CodeProject MVP, and it's even harder to make Microsoft MVP, and I have to give you all the credit you're due for having achieved both. But despite all that, I am calling you out on the carpet right now. You purposefully broke the rules. Everyone rags on newbies and idiots who post "PLZ HELP GIVE ME CODEZ" in the Lounge. The big red phrase "DO NOT POST PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS HERE" is prominently displayed everywhere. But there's more text under that, and I specifically refer you to the part that says "no flame wars." Nish, the title of your post was "Wow - potential character assasination attempt!" Call me crazy, but that sounds like the opening salvo of a flame war to me. The content of your post wasn't overtly objectionable, but you stressed plenty of times that you thought leckey was an idiot herself. Did d@nish ask you to speak on his behalf, Nish? Do you think he cares whether leckey thinks he might be an idiot? Do you really, honestly think that a potential employer would somehow follow a Lounge link to leckey's blog and with all of d@nish's code samples, resume, and glowing recommendations from friends and former employers say to himself, "gee, this lady says on her blog that this kid's
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me too :) almost 5pm
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL think BIG and kick ASS
you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)Now everyone goes home, and the office is nice and quite, and now I really start coding!
Pits fall into Chuck Norris.
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It's kind of statments like that, that cause flames, the guy is being serious over a serious issue and you drop remarks like "Nice sig":|
Go on, vote me down, don't like the truth, does it hurt?
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Shog9 wrote:
Well, that's two mornings now where this has been the top topic here. Thanks.
I'm about leave for home and it's 8 PM. :)
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
It's 4:00pm and I'm outta here.
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I visit leckey's blog daily to catch up on the latest CP time wasters. Am I the only one who thinks its a great idea? Heck, I used to keep a similar list in my CP sig, until it just got too hard to maintain!
Me to, in fact I'm gonne ask Leckey for a RSS feed for the top lamers list.