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I don't meant to be rude, but this is honest advice. If you don't like the work you're doing, ask myself if you can find a better job. Note that you can only do this so many times before you get labelled a jumper. If you can't find a new job (bad economy, etc), would you rather be unemployed? When I confront myself with the last question, I'd rather go back to my current VB/Excel/SQL Server work. PS: The company doesn't pay you to work with your shiny toys. They have a need, you can fill the gap, so they pay you to do what they need. You are free to walk away, but you've read the first part, haven't you? :)
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
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yang__lee wrote:
How I can make it fancy me.
The three-step process:
- Ditch VB.NET as fast as possible. It'll rot your mind. (no offense, all you VB.NET users doing clever and wonderful things. Seriously. You're great. Both of you.)
- Learn as much as you can about HTTP, HTML, and JavaScript. Not the lame wrappers ASP.NET gives you for them though. Read up on what's being done to push the standards forward: HTML 5, JavaScript 2, etc.
- Get jQuery. Too much fun.
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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These days, I code primarily with C# ... and I can't get C++ to fance me. I'll probably need to take up ASP.Net soon. I wish you well (I wish me well).
Speaking of code, I was looking for something in particular and came across your marching ants article. I voted it up. Looking at the vote distribution I suspect you received some undeserved 1-votes for it.
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Schedule your demo to the customer of your work, look at that date every day. That's motivation.
MrPlankton
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Speaking of code, I was looking for something in particular and came across your marching ants article. I voted it up. Looking at the vote distribution I suspect you received some undeserved 1-votes for it.
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Well, thank you. And, yes ... about a year ago some of my FanBoys and/or FanGirl voted for the articles I'd sumbitted to that time.
What goes on in the forums is one thing, but those who vote down the articles out of spite are quite petty. Unfortunately, short of eliminating the voting system entirely there isn't much of a solution to that. Anyways, I felt it deserved a better rating.
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What goes on in the forums is one thing, but those who vote down the articles out of spite are quite petty. Unfortunately, short of eliminating the voting system entirely there isn't much of a solution to that. Anyways, I felt it deserved a better rating.
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Well, thank you. And, yes ... about a year ago some of my FanBoys and/or FanGirl voted for the articles I'd sumbitted to that time.
Ilíon wrote:
about a year ago some of my FanBoys and/or FanGirl voted for the articles I'd sumbitted to that time.
What a perfect way of working against everything that CP stands for. First and foremost this is a place where we can learn from and teach our peers. Anyone who doesn't understand that is a jerk.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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yang__lee wrote:
How I can make it fancy me.
The three-step process:
- Ditch VB.NET as fast as possible. It'll rot your mind. (no offense, all you VB.NET users doing clever and wonderful things. Seriously. You're great. Both of you.)
- Learn as much as you can about HTTP, HTML, and JavaScript. Not the lame wrappers ASP.NET gives you for them though. Read up on what's being done to push the standards forward: HTML 5, JavaScript 2, etc.
- Get jQuery. Too much fun.
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
Shog9 wrote:
no offense, all you VB.NET users doing clever and wonderful things. Seriously. You're great. Both of you.)
I work in both languages and do clever and wonderful things in both - neither, to my mind, offers such great advantages over the other as to be absolutely preferred, and only a fool quits a job because he's asked to increase his knowledge.
Shog9 wrote:
Learn as much as you can about HTTP, HTML, and JavaScript. Not the lame wrappers ASP.NET gives you for them though.
Absolutely.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Shog9 wrote:
no offense, all you VB.NET users doing clever and wonderful things. Seriously. You're great. Both of you.)
I work in both languages and do clever and wonderful things in both - neither, to my mind, offers such great advantages over the other as to be absolutely preferred, and only a fool quits a job because he's asked to increase his knowledge.
Shog9 wrote:
Learn as much as you can about HTTP, HTML, and JavaScript. Not the lame wrappers ASP.NET gives you for them though.
Absolutely.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
I work in both languages and do clever and wonderful things in both - neither, to my mind, offers such great advantages over the other as to be absolutely preferred, and only a fool quits a job because he's asked to increase his knowledge.
Yes, that was intended to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I would have been more clever about it, but you see my job for the past couple of years has required me to use VB.NET, and it has rotted my mind... :-\
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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Oakman wrote:
I work in both languages and do clever and wonderful things in both - neither, to my mind, offers such great advantages over the other as to be absolutely preferred, and only a fool quits a job because he's asked to increase his knowledge.
Yes, that was intended to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I would have been more clever about it, but you see my job for the past couple of years has required me to use VB.NET, and it has rotted my mind... :-\
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
Shog9 wrote:
Yes, that was intended to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
We need a tounge in cheek icon.
Shog9 wrote:
would have been more clever about it, but you see my job for the past couple of years has required me to use VB.NET, and it has rotted my mind...
As Patrick Henry almost said, "I care not what others may think, If this mind be rotted, let us emulate it. Give me employment, or give me a winning lottery ticket!"
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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I don't meant to be rude, but this is honest advice. If you don't like the work you're doing, ask myself if you can find a better job. Note that you can only do this so many times before you get labelled a jumper. If you can't find a new job (bad economy, etc), would you rather be unemployed? When I confront myself with the last question, I'd rather go back to my current VB/Excel/SQL Server work. PS: The company doesn't pay you to work with your shiny toys. They have a need, you can fill the gap, so they pay you to do what they need. You are free to walk away, but you've read the first part, haven't you? :)
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The company doesn't pay you to work with your shiny toys. They have a need, you can fill the gap, so they pay you to do what they need. You are free to walk away, but you've read the first part, haven't you?
well said.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Ilíon wrote:
about a year ago some of my FanBoys and/or FanGirl voted for the articles I'd sumbitted to that time.
What a perfect way of working against everything that CP stands for. First and foremost this is a place where we can learn from and teach our peers. Anyone who doesn't understand that is a jerk.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
It's been quite obvious since Chris implemented the vote histogram that enables one to see the voting distribution. For his marching ants algorithm there was a suspicious peak at '1'. I had stumbled across the article looking for something else and decided to read it. I realized the '1 s' were rather undeserved so I gave it another vote. I think there's alot of that going on. Sad really since many articles should probably be implicitly higher rated.
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It's been quite obvious since Chris implemented the vote histogram that enables one to see the voting distribution. For his marching ants algorithm there was a suspicious peak at '1'. I had stumbled across the article looking for something else and decided to read it. I realized the '1 s' were rather undeserved so I gave it another vote. I think there's alot of that going on. Sad really since many articles should probably be implicitly higher rated.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Sad really since many articles should probably be implicitly higher rated.
And folks who are looking for something are the ones who are cheated out of getting what CP was created to offer. I know that Simmons feels his articles is often downvoted for reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of his work, and everything to do with his attitude. I've seen similar things happen in code reviews. Someone who has offended someone else is savaged in the review over the most rediculously trumped up errors that can be imagined. When I was a team lead I was able to counter this kind of bs easily enough, but when I started contracting, I just had to sit by and watch it happen.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Sad really since many articles should probably be implicitly higher rated.
And folks who are looking for something are the ones who are cheated out of getting what CP was created to offer. I know that Simmons feels his articles is often downvoted for reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of his work, and everything to do with his attitude. I've seen similar things happen in code reviews. Someone who has offended someone else is savaged in the review over the most rediculously trumped up errors that can be imagined. When I was a team lead I was able to counter this kind of bs easily enough, but when I started contracting, I just had to sit by and watch it happen.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
And folks who are looking for something are the ones who are cheated out of getting what CP was created to offer. I know that Simmons feels his articles is often downvoted for reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of his work, and everything to do with his attitude. I've seen similar things happen in code reviews. Someone who has offended someone else is savaged in the review over the most rediculously trumped up errors that can be imagined. When I was a team lead I was able to counter this kind of bs easily enough, but when I started contracting, I just had to sit by and watch it happen.
Yes, it affects CP's quality. Unfortunately large, well-known programming sites attract both the good and the bad. I don't think there's an obvious solution other than to hope that in finding an article, one could ignore the vote rating and just read the article itself and, if useful, use it. I'm not sure how many people actually go by the ratings anyways. Most truly bad articles get deleted, so the survives survivors are generally of "sufficient" quality. One solution would be to scrap the rating entirely and just go with either "good for publishing" or "delete as crap". Leaving the comment section of an article intact would allow for feedback and that could be sufficient.
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Oakman wrote:
And folks who are looking for something are the ones who are cheated out of getting what CP was created to offer. I know that Simmons feels his articles is often downvoted for reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of his work, and everything to do with his attitude. I've seen similar things happen in code reviews. Someone who has offended someone else is savaged in the review over the most rediculously trumped up errors that can be imagined. When I was a team lead I was able to counter this kind of bs easily enough, but when I started contracting, I just had to sit by and watch it happen.
Yes, it affects CP's quality. Unfortunately large, well-known programming sites attract both the good and the bad. I don't think there's an obvious solution other than to hope that in finding an article, one could ignore the vote rating and just read the article itself and, if useful, use it. I'm not sure how many people actually go by the ratings anyways. Most truly bad articles get deleted, so the survives survivors are generally of "sufficient" quality. One solution would be to scrap the rating entirely and just go with either "good for publishing" or "delete as crap". Leaving the comment section of an article intact would allow for feedback and that could be sufficient.
73Zeppelin wrote:
One solution would be to scrap the rating entirely and just go with either "good for publishing" or "delete as crap". Leaving the comment section of an article intact would allow for feedback and that could be sufficient.
From personal experience, that has serious drawbacks, too: my "TdhCursorFactory" article[^] ... and this fellow[^] who was offended because the first commenter thought the article/project worth "5 stars" ... so he voted it a '3' and posted an *ignorant* and brain-dead criticism of it.
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Shog9 wrote:
no offense, all you VB.NET users doing clever and wonderful things. Seriously. You're great. Both of you.)
I work in both languages and do clever and wonderful things in both - neither, to my mind, offers such great advantages over the other as to be absolutely preferred, and only a fool quits a job because he's asked to increase his knowledge.
Shog9 wrote:
Learn as much as you can about HTTP, HTML, and JavaScript. Not the lame wrappers ASP.NET gives you for them though.
Absolutely.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
I work in both languages and do clever and wonderful things in both - neither, to my mind, offers such great advantages over the other as to be absolutely preferred,
Agreed, but VB.NET, however powerful and effective, is just plain ugly.
Pits fall into Chuck Norris.
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Oakman wrote:
I work in both languages and do clever and wonderful things in both - neither, to my mind, offers such great advantages over the other as to be absolutely preferred,
Agreed, but VB.NET, however powerful and effective, is just plain ugly.
Pits fall into Chuck Norris.
Brady Kelly wrote:
Agreed, but VB.NET, however powerful and effective, is just plain ugly.
Beauty (and ugly) is in the eye of the beholder. Curly brackets and double at signs are not universally recognized as the nonpareil of attractive notation, no matter what your college professors whispered in your ear. ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface