Coding for fruit
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I dropped PCs back in '02/'03 -- after having worked for MS itself! I have always been a 'NIX fan, OS X is a flavour of the (bought) Next OS -- which is, I believe, BSD derived itself; it is all Open Source and seems to run all my interests many-times better than a PC. Additionally, as a programmer, I now have the worlds best IDE / editor (TextMate -- http://macromates.com/) OS X is not making me rich, but, more importantly, is making my happier! I actually do not much care for the other commercial aspects of Apple -- and I taught myself programming, back in 1981, on a Apple ][. David Green (living in Chile)
Interested in answers.
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So where do I get a man's computer, that smells of single malt and cigars?
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Meh! 200bps. When I was in the SA air force, I managed HF comms with Antarctica, with speeds of 50bps rated, effectively sometimes <1 bps. On Teletype machines. Fun times actually, those midnight skeds with the boys down South. Who else has had 'online' chats on Teletype at those speeds?
Semicolons: The number one seller of ostomy bags world wide. - dan neely
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Personally speaking I'm getting a Mac not to do any development (though I am looking forward to again having vi) but because 1. Macs look good. I'm stunned that PC manufactures are sticking with ugly boxes. 2. Macs run Windows. To me a Mac is just another PC. 3. Macs accept USB devices. I'll use whatever keyboard/mouse I want. My Mac will look like a Mac and smell like a Mac but it's going to be running Visual Studio.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
1. Macs look good. I'm stunned that PC manufactures are sticking with ugly boxes.
Not all of them, and you can choose your box.
Semicolons: The number one seller of ostomy bags world wide. - dan neely
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Chris Maunder wrote:
1. Macs look good. I'm stunned that PC manufactures are sticking with ugly boxes.
Not all of them, and you can choose your box.
Semicolons: The number one seller of ostomy bags world wide. - dan neely
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MAN POINTS WARNING A man doesn't buy a Mac because it's "lighter and breezier". He buys one because of practical reasons, like... ummmm... well, there is no manly reason to buy a Mac. It's nothing more than a glorified iPod.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001MAN POINTS REBUTTAL I get extra man-points because a) I'm dual booting b) I'm running XP, not Vista, on a Mac. c) I will promise to do all coding using vi, sed, or if I'm really feeling the need for Man points, cat. d) If I ever have need to use MacOs I will promise not to use iMail, iChat, iCal, iRecycleBin, or iDontNeedNoStinkinRightMouseButton
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote:
1. Macs look good. I'm stunned that PC manufactures are sticking with ugly boxes.
That reminds me of a couple of female students that were sitting behind me on a train one day - one girl said that she was going to buy a new computer but couldn't decide which one - the Windows PC had a better software bundle, but the iMac matched the decor of her bedroom!
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Chris Quinn wrote:
the Windows PC had a better software bundle, but the iMac matched the decor of her bedroom!
ROFL :laugh:
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Chris Maunder wrote:
though I am looking forward to again having vi
[reaches for stethascope] I'm terribly sorry Mr. Maunder, but this seems to be signs of a deeper illness. Let me get you the number to a treatment center...
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
What would a psychiatrist do with a stethascope?
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MAN POINTS REBUTTAL I get extra man-points because a) I'm dual booting b) I'm running XP, not Vista, on a Mac. c) I will promise to do all coding using vi, sed, or if I'm really feeling the need for Man points, cat. d) If I ever have need to use MacOs I will promise not to use iMail, iChat, iCal, iRecycleBin, or iDontNeedNoStinkinRightMouseButton
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Sounds like you wearing a dress because your girlfriend needed a fourth for bridge.
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What would a psychiatrist do with a stethascope?
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Sounds like you wearing a dress because your girlfriend needed a fourth for bridge.
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I couldn't possibly be more ignorant of Apple technologies. Recently, a friend came over with her new Mac laptop, and I couldn't even find the bloody "backspace delete" key. Let alone the right mouse button. I say this as a preface to forestall any excessive laughing at what might be inane assumptions on my part since I've done zero research. I keep seeing the most unlikely people showing up with Macs. Hardcore, longstanding Windows developers and business people who have lived for decades in a Microsoft dominated office. And yet, with the runaway hit of the iPod and then the massively hyped iPhone, people are also starting to realize something. "Say, don't these Apple guys also make computers?" Macs are flying off the shelves these days, and not just to the fluffy bunny, tree hugging crowd (sorry, Paul :)). I spent decades coding for MS environments for the same reason that bank robbers rob banks - because that's where the money is. For every 1 Apple development job advertised (and I'm not talking web browser stuff), there were 1,000,000 MS jobs. Now, with this Apple renaissance and all the neat new gadgets, part of me is thinking, "Hey, a market that hasn't been flooded with developers. Maybe I should write a..." However, while I'm sure there's a standard Mac API equivalent to the Windows API for developers, Apple's attitude towards developers makes me nervous. iPods, iPhones, i.e. the stuff that put them back on the map, are locked down gadgets where only the black hats dare venture since Apple will likely release a new version that turns your modified iPhone into an iBrick. In short, Apple has always been about proprietary hardware (among the many reasons that they had their head handed to them by Microsoft in the business market). Microsoft encouraged the masses to come and code for their platform. All these Apple gizmos look cool and of course Jobs hypes them as bleeding edge, but I just don't see the porch light on beckoning me to code something cool and profitable for their hardware, no matter how tempting it might be. It seems like the only developers that Apple is really interested in are Apple employees. So, let's hear from the fluffy bunny crowd. If you're banned from a web browser, how profitable (or even possible) is it to write cool new apps for Apple's cool new gizmos?
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and
Coding for the computers is easy enough. Xcode is free, Cocoa has a lot of nice features, you've got BSD underneath, with cool featureslike Dtrace and (soon, hopefully) ZFS. And third-party OS X software seems to have that much more thought put into it than a lot of Windows apps. From Textmate through to Coda, there just seems to be that bit of polish that's lacking in Windows software.
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
However, while I'm sure there's a standard Mac API equivalent to the Windows API for developers, Apple's attitude towards developers makes me nervous.
The difference is that Microsoft is a software company, and Apple is a hardware company.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
Christopher Duncan wrote: However, while I'm sure there's a standard Mac API equivalent to the Windows API for developers, Apple's attitude towards developers makes me nervous. The difference is that Microsoft is a software company, and Apple is a hardware company.
Actually, you are wrong, as Apple goes both ways (hehe, I made a funny). They may have built upon a pre-existing system for OS X, but they built all operating systems from scratch before then. And them being in the field of hardware works to their advantage. They don't write crap software. Only when Steve Jobs was not working at Apple did they operate like Microsoft by simply repeatedly patching over the operating system. I guess that is why soda company CEOs shouldn't run tech companies. They also wrote the entire MacOS operating system up to 7.X (or around there) in pure assembly code. That is why the early versions of MacOS were only 128kb in size when compiled, and were more responsive while running on megahertz you could count on your fingers and toes, than Windows Vista on a dual-core 2.8ghz with 2gb of RAM. Maybe you weren't aware that Microsoft purchased it's first operating system and called it their own. And what about how Bill Gate's backstabbed his friend, stole the source code to said friend's operating system, as well as the code to all of its included software, renamed it, and called it his own. Maybe you have heard of this friend, he goes by the name Steve Jobs. Sounds like a script kiddie recompiling opensource products with a new title and calling it his own. Can you say Final Cut Pro? iTunes? iMovie? Macintosh Programmer's Workshop? Please don't get me started on the OS X suite of software. And while not directly made by Apple, but is pretty much the same company, Pixar's Animation Suite of tools. I am no longer a Mac user, I use Windows XP and occassionally Linux. I stopped using Macs in 2002 in exception to at work in 2003. Last Mac I used had a 500mhz G4 processor and 512mb of RAM....I would take that over this Acer and Dell crap I use now. I wish I didn't sell it... Four 2.8ghz processors, 2gb of ram, 7200rpm HD, Windows Vista, and a 10 minute startup from button press, to last startup task AKA bulkware loaded up. That's a REAL software company for ya...*cough*
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Graham Bradshaw wrote:
Christopher Duncan wrote: However, while I'm sure there's a standard Mac API equivalent to the Windows API for developers, Apple's attitude towards developers makes me nervous. The difference is that Microsoft is a software company, and Apple is a hardware company.
Actually, you are wrong, as Apple goes both ways (hehe, I made a funny). They may have built upon a pre-existing system for OS X, but they built all operating systems from scratch before then. And them being in the field of hardware works to their advantage. They don't write crap software. Only when Steve Jobs was not working at Apple did they operate like Microsoft by simply repeatedly patching over the operating system. I guess that is why soda company CEOs shouldn't run tech companies. They also wrote the entire MacOS operating system up to 7.X (or around there) in pure assembly code. That is why the early versions of MacOS were only 128kb in size when compiled, and were more responsive while running on megahertz you could count on your fingers and toes, than Windows Vista on a dual-core 2.8ghz with 2gb of RAM. Maybe you weren't aware that Microsoft purchased it's first operating system and called it their own. And what about how Bill Gate's backstabbed his friend, stole the source code to said friend's operating system, as well as the code to all of its included software, renamed it, and called it his own. Maybe you have heard of this friend, he goes by the name Steve Jobs. Sounds like a script kiddie recompiling opensource products with a new title and calling it his own. Can you say Final Cut Pro? iTunes? iMovie? Macintosh Programmer's Workshop? Please don't get me started on the OS X suite of software. And while not directly made by Apple, but is pretty much the same company, Pixar's Animation Suite of tools. I am no longer a Mac user, I use Windows XP and occassionally Linux. I stopped using Macs in 2002 in exception to at work in 2003. Last Mac I used had a 500mhz G4 processor and 512mb of RAM....I would take that over this Acer and Dell crap I use now. I wish I didn't sell it... Four 2.8ghz processors, 2gb of ram, 7200rpm HD, Windows Vista, and a 10 minute startup from button press, to last startup task AKA bulkware loaded up. That's a REAL software company for ya...*cough*
NickVellios wrote:
They don't write crap software.
So how do you explain iTunes then? :mad: Never fails to interfere with drivers for other (non-Apple) USB connected mp3/4 players after the iPod has been connected. Only allows connection to one iPod variant, under one user account, even on a PC with multiple user accounts. Requires continual updating, not for security fixes but because backward compatibility has been broken. Unhelpful/mystery/contradictory (i.e. screen shows one thing, error message says something that contradicts what is right there on the screen in front of you) error messages (Less helpful even than MS Windows error messages :omg: !) when something goes wrong! Locks up randomly & even sometimes manages to take the whole system down with it (on an otherwise stable system). - Oh, that'd be a driver fault wouldn't it? More Apple POS s/w! Unintuitive & inflexible interface (those fanbois indoctrinated into the "Mac" way of doing things might be able to decipher it, I can't). When my kid's iPod dies (only a matter of time :-D !), I will not hesitate to remove iTunes & every trace of its existence from that machine & gleefully dance on it's grave. The only reason I haven't yet is 'coz she's used to it now & doesn't cope well with change. Don't even get me started on Quicktime :mad: ...
NickVellios wrote:
I would take that over this Acer and Dell crap
So go with Alienware, ASUS, Benq, Fujitsu, IBM/Lenovo, NEC, Sony, Toshiba, ... These days you can even go on being a total fanbois & put Windows on a Mac :sigh: . I know this is a difficult concept for Apple devotees but: You have options!
T-Mac-Oz
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NickVellios wrote:
They don't write crap software.
So how do you explain iTunes then? :mad: Never fails to interfere with drivers for other (non-Apple) USB connected mp3/4 players after the iPod has been connected. Only allows connection to one iPod variant, under one user account, even on a PC with multiple user accounts. Requires continual updating, not for security fixes but because backward compatibility has been broken. Unhelpful/mystery/contradictory (i.e. screen shows one thing, error message says something that contradicts what is right there on the screen in front of you) error messages (Less helpful even than MS Windows error messages :omg: !) when something goes wrong! Locks up randomly & even sometimes manages to take the whole system down with it (on an otherwise stable system). - Oh, that'd be a driver fault wouldn't it? More Apple POS s/w! Unintuitive & inflexible interface (those fanbois indoctrinated into the "Mac" way of doing things might be able to decipher it, I can't). When my kid's iPod dies (only a matter of time :-D !), I will not hesitate to remove iTunes & every trace of its existence from that machine & gleefully dance on it's grave. The only reason I haven't yet is 'coz she's used to it now & doesn't cope well with change. Don't even get me started on Quicktime :mad: ...
NickVellios wrote:
I would take that over this Acer and Dell crap
So go with Alienware, ASUS, Benq, Fujitsu, IBM/Lenovo, NEC, Sony, Toshiba, ... These days you can even go on being a total fanbois & put Windows on a Mac :sigh: . I know this is a difficult concept for Apple devotees but: You have options!
T-Mac-Oz
T-Mac-Oz wrote:
So how do you explain iTunes then? [Mad]
I can't. Apple isn't perfect. Quicktime and Sherlock weren't the best creations either, although Sherlock II was fast as hell and still puts Windows explorer's search in the trash You need to understand that Apple is a huge company with a lot of product research, engineering, and development going on. Each project is like an individual company, and each product has anywhere from one to several dozen teams. With this said, you are going to get the best of the best engineers, programmers, and testers working on major projects such as the operating system or Final Cut Pro. And who do you think is assigned to the simpler projects? Quicktime, iTunes, Sherlock etc...
T-Mac-Oz wrote:
So go with Alienware, ASUS, Benq, Fujitsu, IBM/Lenovo, NEC, Sony, Toshiba, ... These days you can even go on being a total fanbois & put Windows on a Mac [Sigh] . I know this is a difficult concept for Apple devotees but: You have options!
Of course I have options. I have used Toshiba. I had this nice Toshiba Satellite Notebook with a HUGE screen, full keyboard, and 3.33ghz Processor. Problem is, it overheated every 15 minutes and shut off. Into the trash can it went as Toshiba claimed there wasn't a problem, even though every single owner of that model experienced the same thing. I also owned a Dell Inspiron 1100 laptop. Bulky and poorly constructed piece of junk. Into the pawn shop it went. My Acer is actually the better of my two computers. My Dell desktop PC is 2.66ghz and if it sits for more than 15 minutes without being touched, it takes 10 minutes to get up off its lazy ass and decide to start doing something. My Acer is only 1.73ghz and runs faster than the 2.66ghz Dell Desktop, faster than the 2.2ghz Dell laptop, and nearly as fast as the 3.33ghz Toshiba. I would switch back to the Mac, but there are some reasons why I don't think I will ever do so. I was very disappointed in the switch from MacOS 9 to MacOS X. First Apple offered CarbonLib. You link with it and change a few things and wham bam, your program runs natively on MacOS X. My company was developing several products, one was a rapid development environment BASIC compiler similar to VisualBASIC which had about 100,000 lines of C code. The other was the same, but for Java. They were mated beautifully to pre-OS X, but had problems with the switch. We sent sev
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jchigg2000 wrote:
Since Mac OS X is based on UNIX
Wrong mooselips - it's based on BSD.
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