Linux exploits and vulnerabilities: All the excuses are valid now!
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Maybe because Linux was built without a budget and Windows was built by the world's largest, most powerful software company. I'd expect more from a company that charges money for it's OS and has tens of billions in the bank. ------------------------------------------ When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked him to forgive me. - Emo Phillips
Linux is EXTREMELY well funded. This is another one of the big snow jobs of the last 10 years. While the fan boys work for free, the fat cats cash their checks. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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We'll reach a point where Linux is the dominant OS and then Windows will look sexy again, the same way people think the Mac is superior. Finish this sentence: We're movin' on up, to the top...
Senkwe Chanda wrote: We'll reach a point where Linux is the dominant OS Oh, you have just got to be kidding me, right? With the popularity of PCs for the masses, you now have a very large percentage of people who own PCs and yet are completely intimidated by anything as technical as even a VCR. These are people who have difficulty wiring up their home stereo without calling their techie friends, and there's a lot of them out there. You know, mere mortals? And you think they're going to be able to handle UNIX? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Maybe because Linux was built without a budget and Windows was built by the world's largest, most powerful software company. I'd expect more from a company that charges money for it's OS and has tens of billions in the bank. ------------------------------------------ When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked him to forgive me. - Emo Phillips
Brit wrote: I'd expect more from a company that charges money for it's OS and has tens of billions in the bank. Windows has had problems, like every other piece of software ever coded. But you make it sound like Windows is just a smelly pile of dong and you were ripped off. And I believe it's that is far from the truth. Windows is an amazing piece of software that has allowed even the most technophobic and clueless people access to a computer and the internet. I'd like to see how that could happen with any unix or unix clone out there.
All of my opinions are correct, even when reality makes the mistake of disagreeing with me.
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Tomasz Sowinski wrote: So - which distro is the best? Debian. Debian's package management system is leagues ahead of any other distros. You can keep your linux system up todate with two simple commands ( easily runnable from cron ) $>apt-getupdate $>apt-getdistupgrade This will not only go out, get the latest debian package for all applications you run. For most daemon applications ( example sshd ) it will stop the daemon and start running the newer version. Jared jparsons@jparsons.org www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte477n
jparsons wrote: You can keep your linux system up todate with two simple commands ( easily runnable from cron ) Kinda like the single
uptodatecommand in Redhat? :) Although I am not sure if it restarts running dæmons... Peace! -=- James. "There is nothing worse than being oblivious to the fact that you do not know what you are doing." [Get Check Favorites 1.4 Now!] -
jparsons wrote: www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte477n Go Jackets! :-D -- Russell Morris "WOW! Chocolate - half price!" - Homer Simpson, while in the land of chocolate.
Russell Morris wrote: Go Jackets! And get that staduim built too so we can see some games this coming year. Jared jparsons@jparsons.org www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte477n
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jparsons wrote: You can keep your linux system up todate with two simple commands ( easily runnable from cron ) Kinda like the single
uptodatecommand in Redhat? :) Although I am not sure if it restarts running dæmons... Peace! -=- James. "There is nothing worse than being oblivious to the fact that you do not know what you are doing." [Get Check Favorites 1.4 Now!]After many terrible, terrible experiences with RPMs I have lost faith in that packaging system. If you downloaded the package you didn't have the dependencies. If you downloaded the dependecies they had dependencies. You have those dependencies but not the right version. You get hte right version. Wait that creates a conflict with the original package. You get hte lastest version. You type rpm --install package. Wait the RPM database crashes. Damnit. Rebuild the database(basically reinstall). This time you're lucky you get it installed. Then you try and update the RPM. Good luck. Their updates almost always failed for me. Maybe uptodate has fixed this. Jared jparsons@jparsons.org www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte477n
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Brit wrote: I'd expect more from a company that charges money for it's OS and has tens of billions in the bank. Windows has had problems, like every other piece of software ever coded. But you make it sound like Windows is just a smelly pile of dong and you were ripped off. And I believe it's that is far from the truth. Windows is an amazing piece of software that has allowed even the most technophobic and clueless people access to a computer and the internet. I'd like to see how that could happen with any unix or unix clone out there.
All of my opinions are correct, even when reality makes the mistake of disagreeing with me.
Windows has had problems, like every other piece of software ever coded. But you make it sound like Windows is just a smelly pile of dong and you were ripped off. I was merely commenting that if a piece of software made makes someone the world's richest man, it should be better than it is. I wasn't saying it was shit. (BTW, I use Windows at home and develop on Windows at work. I'm not some Linux zealot.) ------------------------------------------ When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked him to forgive me. - Emo Phillips
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and today it doesn't. ROFL. You have to be kidding me. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: You have to be kidding me. I have had several occasions where I have poped in a Linux distro, and it took care of everything for me. I mean most times I actually want to customize, but it is certainly possible to have a seemless install (at least no harder than installing a version of windows on a machine). I'm certainly not saying that Linux is anywhere near the level it would need to be for public consumption. I'm just saying that several distros have put together pretty nice installers.
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Tim Smith wrote: You have to be kidding me. I have had several occasions where I have poped in a Linux distro, and it took care of everything for me. I mean most times I actually want to customize, but it is certainly possible to have a seemless install (at least no harder than installing a version of windows on a machine). I'm certainly not saying that Linux is anywhere near the level it would need to be for public consumption. I'm just saying that several distros have put together pretty nice installers.
Ryan Johnston wrote: I have had several occasions where I have poped in a Linux distro, and it took care of everything for me. I mean most times I actually want to customize, but it is certainly possible to have a seemless install (at least no harder than installing a version of windows on a machine).
- Mandrake
- Suse
- Redhat
All of these distros have braindead installs. Last I saw Mandrake had the best install. You could customize it. Options ranged from Braindead(don't remember the exact name ) to Expert ( Used linux for quite some time and this was quite a difficult install). Still Go with Debian. It's install needs some work but once its up. It stays up Jared jparsons@jparsons.org www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte477n
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After many terrible, terrible experiences with RPMs I have lost faith in that packaging system. If you downloaded the package you didn't have the dependencies. If you downloaded the dependecies they had dependencies. You have those dependencies but not the right version. You get hte right version. Wait that creates a conflict with the original package. You get hte lastest version. You type rpm --install package. Wait the RPM database crashes. Damnit. Rebuild the database(basically reinstall). This time you're lucky you get it installed. Then you try and update the RPM. Good luck. Their updates almost always failed for me. Maybe uptodate has fixed this. Jared jparsons@jparsons.org www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte477n
jparsons wrote: After many terrible, terrible experiences with RPMs I have lost faith in that packaging system. :wtf: I have never anywhere near that many problems with RPMs. When I do have problems with dependencies, it usually ends up being Operator Failure (IOW: I did not read all of the docs carefully enough). Peace! -=- James. "There is nothing worse than being oblivious to the fact that you do not know what you are doing." [Get Check Favorites 1.4 Now!]
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Windows has had problems, like every other piece of software ever coded. But you make it sound like Windows is just a smelly pile of dong and you were ripped off. I was merely commenting that if a piece of software made makes someone the world's richest man, it should be better than it is. I wasn't saying it was shit. (BTW, I use Windows at home and develop on Windows at work. I'm not some Linux zealot.) ------------------------------------------ When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked him to forgive me. - Emo Phillips
Brit wrote: I wasn't saying it was shit. I read more into your post than was written. I apologize for that.
All of my opinions are correct, even when reality makes the mistake of disagreeing with me.
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jparsons wrote: After many terrible, terrible experiences with RPMs I have lost faith in that packaging system. :wtf: I have never anywhere near that many problems with RPMs. When I do have problems with dependencies, it usually ends up being Operator Failure (IOW: I did not read all of the docs carefully enough). Peace! -=- James. "There is nothing worse than being oblivious to the fact that you do not know what you are doing." [Get Check Favorites 1.4 Now!]
My main gripe was KDE updates/install. I got so frustrated trying to get all of he dependencies met that it turned out to be quicker to build from source. Jared jparsons@jparsons.org www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte477n