Digi Cameras.. Sure wish..
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I have the S3 and i love it. (It has better zoom than the S5 ;P )
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I picked up a Canon S5 IS: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons5is/[^] And I have to say it has plenty of featurs for a point-and-shoot and it is a LOT of fun. Just starting to get into the CHDK scripts that allow you to run a form a BASIC scripts: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK[^] Played around with the motion detection script yesterday and it workd pretty cool! Even though the camera does not support RAW format, with the CHDK installed I can save as RAW also. Now, I love this compact S5 as I have a movie camera, still camera and scriptable toy all in one with a 12x zoom lens pulling down 8 MP images. Really a great all around point-and-shoot combo camera. One of the reasons I choose this camera was the swing-out view finder. That was a large selling point to me. Now that I have played with it for a while, I really do not understand why all digital cameras do not do the same. That view finder (even though it is small) is wonderful since it makes it easy to take shots that would have been hard to grab due to the angle when using an SLR. As an example, I took some pictures of our flowers yesterday (I mean it is required isn't it? ;) ). The angle I took the macro shot at, would have had me laying on the ground to get that low of angle. I wonder why they do not add that feature to thier EOS-1Ds MIII.. Sure would be a nice additional feature. If you have a laptop handy and are using Live-View remotely, you could get somewhat the same as a flip out view finder, but it would be great if it were built in. Just think at all those repairs when photographers break them off ;)
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I doubt flip view finder will make it to DSLR's any time soon. It's possible, but I don't see it happening unless DSLRs become mainstream and your general consumer (who is accustomed to live-view and flip-out viewfinder) would demand such a feature which face it is very very unlikely prospect given the size and most importantly cost of DSLRs and lenses with top notch lenses running thousands of dollars. Compare that to a $310 S5IS price at Circuit City! DSLR's are really a different kind of beast and unless you own one or had extensive experience with traditional film based SLRs it's hard to understand it. Even live-view is a very recent feature on DSLR's, only most recent Canon models (rebel XSI and 40D) and Sony Alpha DSLR's have it, not sure about Nikon. I just bought Rebel XSI couple of weeks ago and am very satisfied with it. Just looking to get good deals on lenses now (wish I researched lenses a little bit more thoroughly). It is loads better than point and shoot cameras, takes a little practice to learn it but even with kit lens it takes shots that normal P&S camera woule never be able to take. Lack of flip out viewfinders doesn't bother me one bit. What does bother me with it is that in live-view mode you have to press separate button to autofocus instead of pressing shutter button half-way like you would expect. Kind of silly and I can't understand the reasoning behind it.
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I picked up a Canon S5 IS: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons5is/[^] And I have to say it has plenty of featurs for a point-and-shoot and it is a LOT of fun. Just starting to get into the CHDK scripts that allow you to run a form a BASIC scripts: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK[^] Played around with the motion detection script yesterday and it workd pretty cool! Even though the camera does not support RAW format, with the CHDK installed I can save as RAW also. Now, I love this compact S5 as I have a movie camera, still camera and scriptable toy all in one with a 12x zoom lens pulling down 8 MP images. Really a great all around point-and-shoot combo camera. One of the reasons I choose this camera was the swing-out view finder. That was a large selling point to me. Now that I have played with it for a while, I really do not understand why all digital cameras do not do the same. That view finder (even though it is small) is wonderful since it makes it easy to take shots that would have been hard to grab due to the angle when using an SLR. As an example, I took some pictures of our flowers yesterday (I mean it is required isn't it? ;) ). The angle I took the macro shot at, would have had me laying on the ground to get that low of angle. I wonder why they do not add that feature to thier EOS-1Ds MIII.. Sure would be a nice additional feature. If you have a laptop handy and are using Live-View remotely, you could get somewhat the same as a flip out view finder, but it would be great if it were built in. Just think at all those repairs when photographers break them off ;)
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Durability. Hinges and data connections over hinges break. Canon EOS-1D users buy them for their rugged, proven, tested, dropped, drowned, frozen, cooked and thrown durability :) Also digital view-finders are poor quality. Canon EOS-1D users pay a lot of money for the high-quality optical chunk of glass that makes up an optical viewfinder. Even the penta-prism optical viewfinder in a Canon EOS 20D is better than a digital viewfinder.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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Durability. Hinges and data connections over hinges break. Canon EOS-1D users buy them for their rugged, proven, tested, dropped, drowned, frozen, cooked and thrown durability :) Also digital view-finders are poor quality. Canon EOS-1D users pay a lot of money for the high-quality optical chunk of glass that makes up an optical viewfinder. Even the penta-prism optical viewfinder in a Canon EOS 20D is better than a digital viewfinder.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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I have a Nikon D300 and with the right software package[^], my notebook becomes a remote "view finder" because of Live View support... :) Of course, as much as I've spent on it, I would cry blood if it were stolen or dropped.
Mike Poz
Mike Poz wrote:
Of course, as much as I've spent on it, I would cry blood if it were stolen or dropped.
I had a D70 that was only recently replaced. That camera is considered considerably less sturdy, and it has survived a fall in New Orleans with me falling on top of it, it nearly fell into the swamp there too, it fell with me in Carlsbad, and others. It only recently gave up the ghost, and I replaced it with a D80. If yours is truly about 5 times sturdier, you;ll have to drop more on it than me to break it. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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I doubt flip view finder will make it to DSLR's any time soon. It's possible, but I don't see it happening unless DSLRs become mainstream and your general consumer (who is accustomed to live-view and flip-out viewfinder) would demand such a feature which face it is very very unlikely prospect given the size and most importantly cost of DSLRs and lenses with top notch lenses running thousands of dollars. Compare that to a $310 S5IS price at Circuit City! DSLR's are really a different kind of beast and unless you own one or had extensive experience with traditional film based SLRs it's hard to understand it. Even live-view is a very recent feature on DSLR's, only most recent Canon models (rebel XSI and 40D) and Sony Alpha DSLR's have it, not sure about Nikon. I just bought Rebel XSI couple of weeks ago and am very satisfied with it. Just looking to get good deals on lenses now (wish I researched lenses a little bit more thoroughly). It is loads better than point and shoot cameras, takes a little practice to learn it but even with kit lens it takes shots that normal P&S camera woule never be able to take. Lack of flip out viewfinders doesn't bother me one bit. What does bother me with it is that in live-view mode you have to press separate button to autofocus instead of pressing shutter button half-way like you would expect. Kind of silly and I can't understand the reasoning behind it.
JazzJackRabbit wrote:
Lack of flip out viewfinders doesn't bother me one bit.
I guess it would matter if you needed to get a shot that was above or below your head. I can easily wee a professional needing to capture a shot in a crowd where a flip out would be wonderful. Or in the example I used, it would be impractical to obtain a postiion to get the shot. To me, the flip out is much like a scroll wheel on a mouse or the right button, once you are use to them, it is hard to understand why anyone would not want them. It was nice to see Canon include the Live-View on the 1Ds Mark III, but it would be great to have had the flip out also since it would not cost much more to implement and would be there if a person needed it, but not hinder anything if they did not.
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Durability. Hinges and data connections over hinges break. Canon EOS-1D users buy them for their rugged, proven, tested, dropped, drowned, frozen, cooked and thrown durability :) Also digital view-finders are poor quality. Canon EOS-1D users pay a lot of money for the high-quality optical chunk of glass that makes up an optical viewfinder. Even the penta-prism optical viewfinder in a Canon EOS 20D is better than a digital viewfinder.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Well, I was not suggesting replacing the optical view finder, just allow the screen on the back to flip out and/or up so that it would make possible, shots that would not be otherwise possible. I would think if they can build the camera, they should be able to make a durable flip out view finder. Silly that a $300 camera and get a still picture that a $7,000 camera cannot.. I keep hoping if they update the 1Ds Mark III anytime soon or the 5D that they would include one :)
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I picked up a Canon S5 IS: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons5is/[^] And I have to say it has plenty of featurs for a point-and-shoot and it is a LOT of fun. Just starting to get into the CHDK scripts that allow you to run a form a BASIC scripts: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK[^] Played around with the motion detection script yesterday and it workd pretty cool! Even though the camera does not support RAW format, with the CHDK installed I can save as RAW also. Now, I love this compact S5 as I have a movie camera, still camera and scriptable toy all in one with a 12x zoom lens pulling down 8 MP images. Really a great all around point-and-shoot combo camera. One of the reasons I choose this camera was the swing-out view finder. That was a large selling point to me. Now that I have played with it for a while, I really do not understand why all digital cameras do not do the same. That view finder (even though it is small) is wonderful since it makes it easy to take shots that would have been hard to grab due to the angle when using an SLR. As an example, I took some pictures of our flowers yesterday (I mean it is required isn't it? ;) ). The angle I took the macro shot at, would have had me laying on the ground to get that low of angle. I wonder why they do not add that feature to thier EOS-1Ds MIII.. Sure would be a nice additional feature. If you have a laptop handy and are using Live-View remotely, you could get somewhat the same as a flip out view finder, but it would be great if it were built in. Just think at all those repairs when photographers break them off ;)
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SLR means Single Lens Reflex. The reflex means there's a mirror in front of the sensor reflecting the image through the viewfinder while you're composing the frame and hence you can't have a full-time electronic viewfinder. The mirror then gets out of the way when shooting making that characteristic SLR shutter sound that distinguishes a camera from a gadget :) Sony did something about it by fitting a second sensor for previewing while the mirror is down. But that second sensor outputs a slightly different image than the main one. Just enough for photographers to diss.... hth
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Well, I was not suggesting replacing the optical view finder, just allow the screen on the back to flip out and/or up so that it would make possible, shots that would not be otherwise possible. I would think if they can build the camera, they should be able to make a durable flip out view finder. Silly that a $300 camera and get a still picture that a $7,000 camera cannot.. I keep hoping if they update the 1Ds Mark III anytime soon or the 5D that they would include one :)
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high-end cameras are weatherproofed. that's why they don't have appendices that move on the outside.
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Mike Poz wrote:
Of course, as much as I've spent on it, I would cry blood if it were stolen or dropped.
I had a D70 that was only recently replaced. That camera is considered considerably less sturdy, and it has survived a fall in New Orleans with me falling on top of it, it nearly fell into the swamp there too, it fell with me in Carlsbad, and others. It only recently gave up the ghost, and I replaced it with a D80. If yours is truly about 5 times sturdier, you;ll have to drop more on it than me to break it. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
El Corazon wrote:
If yours is truly about 5 times sturdier, you;ll have to drop more on it than me to break it. :)
Given that the strap is always wrapped around some part of my body (forearm, neck, etc) I doubt it will take a plunge but it's good to hear a testament of Nikon's sturdiness and reliability. Hope you like your new D80, that was one I looked at but I figured that since I could afford the D300 and would probably keep it for at least five years, I went that way. I get lots of apprecative nods from people and if they know anything about DSLRs they always want to play with it. Since I'm still learning how to use it, I can't answer much more than "Yeah, I really like it, it takes great pictures when I'm paying attention to settings but I'm still learning about the camera. Oh and it fits in my hand withe battery grip... :)" I got big paws...
Mike Poz
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El Corazon wrote:
If yours is truly about 5 times sturdier, you;ll have to drop more on it than me to break it. :)
Given that the strap is always wrapped around some part of my body (forearm, neck, etc) I doubt it will take a plunge but it's good to hear a testament of Nikon's sturdiness and reliability. Hope you like your new D80, that was one I looked at but I figured that since I could afford the D300 and would probably keep it for at least five years, I went that way. I get lots of apprecative nods from people and if they know anything about DSLRs they always want to play with it. Since I'm still learning how to use it, I can't answer much more than "Yeah, I really like it, it takes great pictures when I'm paying attention to settings but I'm still learning about the camera. Oh and it fits in my hand withe battery grip... :)" I got big paws...
Mike Poz
Mike Poz wrote:
but it's good to hear a
same with me... One piece of advice. when in New orleans, do not walk the lafayette swamp boardwalk in a light drizzle. It was just enough to keep the walkways wet in places, I almost took a dip with the camera. the camera ring shade went one inch into the swamp as did one of my arms. Luckily nothing more than frogs witnessed the event. I saved my pride, my camera, and my arm - no gators witnessed the event either. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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SLR means Single Lens Reflex. The reflex means there's a mirror in front of the sensor reflecting the image through the viewfinder while you're composing the frame and hence you can't have a full-time electronic viewfinder. The mirror then gets out of the way when shooting making that characteristic SLR shutter sound that distinguishes a camera from a gadget :) Sony did something about it by fitting a second sensor for previewing while the mirror is down. But that second sensor outputs a slightly different image than the main one. Just enough for photographers to diss.... hth
Look up Canon "live-view".. It seems to work okay. I wonder just how many years it will be when DSLR are history. Many of the point and shoots are heading to the quality of DSLRs but without the limitations. Just a bit clearly LCDs and maybe we will not see SLRs anymore...
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Look up Canon "live-view".. It seems to work okay. I wonder just how many years it will be when DSLR are history. Many of the point and shoots are heading to the quality of DSLRs but without the limitations. Just a bit clearly LCDs and maybe we will not see SLRs anymore...
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Maybe, if you're looking from 10000ft But once you get down to the details of sensor size and lens optics ... never mind.
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Maybe, if you're looking from 10000ft But once you get down to the details of sensor size and lens optics ... never mind.
Of course it also depends on how good your eyes are :) One thing that would be cool is to have a ring around the base lens mount (lens mount on top of ring) that would control the zoom of the digital view-finder. Then you could rotate it easily with your pinky to zoon the finder in and out to examine the fine details that you would not even get with an optical view finder as your eyes could not see that closely.
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