Silverlight 2 Release (Not Beta 5)
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Bill did not say it will not be extremelly slow and hungry as ever. www.google.com/microsoft[^]
Silverlight slow - 172,000 results
Flash slow - 2,930,000 results
Heck,
C++ slow - 2,700,000 results
ASM slow - 381,000 results
Cool, we've just debunked the idea that the number of google hits for "XYZ slow" actually shows that XYZ is slow.
User of Users Group wrote:
not say it will not be extremelly slow and hungry as ever
Double negative alert!
Life, family, faith: Give me a visit. From my latest post: "How differently the psalmist saw it! How blessed -- how truly happy with real joy! -- is the man who delights in the Law of the Lord." Judah Himango
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Silverlight slow - 172,000 results
Flash slow - 2,930,000 results
Heck,
C++ slow - 2,700,000 results
ASM slow - 381,000 results
Cool, we've just debunked the idea that the number of google hits for "XYZ slow" actually shows that XYZ is slow.
User of Users Group wrote:
not say it will not be extremelly slow and hungry as ever
Double negative alert!
Life, family, faith: Give me a visit. From my latest post: "How differently the psalmist saw it! How blessed -- how truly happy with real joy! -- is the man who delights in the Law of the Lord." Judah Himango
Except ASM also stands for "Automatic Storage Management" a feature of Oracle 10g. (I only got 521,000 hits for C++ slow and a whopping 756,000 for Judah slow, which is still low compared to Joe slow at 1,050,000 [all on Google.])
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Except ASM also stands for "Automatic Storage Management" a feature of Oracle 10g. (I only got 521,000 hits for C++ slow and a whopping 756,000 for Judah slow, which is still low compared to Joe slow at 1,050,000 [all on Google.])
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Was there one that said, "Buy Joe slow" at amazon.com?
BDF A learned fool is more a fool than an ignorant fool. -- Moliere
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Bill did not say it will not be extremelly slow and hungry as ever. www.google.com/microsoft[^]
I was talking to the guys whose job it is to ensure C#/VB.NET code running within Silverlight does what it's supposed to and while I may not be clamouring to jump on the Silverlight bandwagon I can say that the guys writing this stuff (well, the stuff that doesn't involve the CLR team, or the TCP team, or the network team, or the WPF team) love what they are doing with Silverlight and love even more that they can rapidly releease new versions to continually improve perf and feature sets. Silverlight is a tool and like many tools it will produce some works of art and some absolute demolitions. It depends on who is wielding it.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I was talking to the guys whose job it is to ensure C#/VB.NET code running within Silverlight does what it's supposed to and while I may not be clamouring to jump on the Silverlight bandwagon I can say that the guys writing this stuff (well, the stuff that doesn't involve the CLR team, or the TCP team, or the network team, or the WPF team) love what they are doing with Silverlight and love even more that they can rapidly releease new versions to continually improve perf and feature sets. Silverlight is a tool and like many tools it will produce some works of art and some absolute demolitions. It depends on who is wielding it.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Silverlight slow - 172,000 results
Flash slow - 2,930,000 results
Heck,
C++ slow - 2,700,000 results
ASM slow - 381,000 results
Cool, we've just debunked the idea that the number of google hits for "XYZ slow" actually shows that XYZ is slow.
User of Users Group wrote:
not say it will not be extremelly slow and hungry as ever
Double negative alert!
Life, family, faith: Give me a visit. From my latest post: "How differently the psalmist saw it! How blessed -- how truly happy with real joy! -- is the man who delights in the Law of the Lord." Judah Himango
Exactly.. tells of maturity really and search is not there yet for such context. I love how voting worked out too, tells of ultimate enemy: hope :) :) Same goes if you search microsoft via google for 'C++ unusable slow' and 'Silverlight unusable slow'.. but dig in a little deeper the second query really nails it. You know the ranking, just looking at top results. From those you can easily see whether the target is the technology or language or not, bots out there already do this. Glad to hear Chris believes they'll pull it off, but hey I've seen enough of that bloat not being able to provide anything but hard disk trashing which I got used to on Vista. Silverleech feels like Vista on top of Vista within a Vista, horrific lack of scaling and huge latency on everything.. plus it is 'optimised'. And I thought WinForms was bad (it is, just that we all run quad 3Ghz machines, and if you tried it on a 200MHz box it wouldn't even paint on time lol :) ) ( yeah, I agree, double negatives attract 'managed' experiences )
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MIL core.. But guys that avoid wielding XML, huge hierarchies, and even lightweight version of reflection, no matter how good reap results in plenty of industries.. otherwise you end up with fat that will not even approach, watch the example as it is sad how old it is: Office 95 on 4.0 and 100Mhz box. At least not for the next 5 years, and probably never on such spec PC. True advance .NET has been..
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Exactly.. tells of maturity really and search is not there yet for such context. I love how voting worked out too, tells of ultimate enemy: hope :) :) Same goes if you search microsoft via google for 'C++ unusable slow' and 'Silverlight unusable slow'.. but dig in a little deeper the second query really nails it. You know the ranking, just looking at top results. From those you can easily see whether the target is the technology or language or not, bots out there already do this. Glad to hear Chris believes they'll pull it off, but hey I've seen enough of that bloat not being able to provide anything but hard disk trashing which I got used to on Vista. Silverleech feels like Vista on top of Vista within a Vista, horrific lack of scaling and huge latency on everything.. plus it is 'optimised'. And I thought WinForms was bad (it is, just that we all run quad 3Ghz machines, and if you tried it on a 200MHz box it wouldn't even paint on time lol :) ) ( yeah, I agree, double negatives attract 'managed' experiences )
User of Users Group wrote:
I love how voting worked out too, tells of ultimate enemy
You were voted down because you posted something inane which used a pointless search results as your facts. We'd listen to you more intently had you actually done some benchmarks yourself.
Life, family, faith: Give me a visit. From my latest post: "How differently the psalmist saw it! How blessed -- how truly happy with real joy! -- is the man who delights in the Law of the Lord." Judah Himango
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User of Users Group wrote:
I love how voting worked out too, tells of ultimate enemy
You were voted down because you posted something inane which used a pointless search results as your facts. We'd listen to you more intently had you actually done some benchmarks yourself.
Life, family, faith: Give me a visit. From my latest post: "How differently the psalmist saw it! How blessed -- how truly happy with real joy! -- is the man who delights in the Law of the Lord." Judah Himango
(seems like you're pretty young and new to this) And what if I do benchmarks for a living and tell you that voting is irrelevant? I have no intererst in anyone listening more intently or similar on that subject, just that the engineering problems get fixed. And to me it is an utter mess, don't know about you but it does cost money in research and development. Besides, I mentioned this to Silver, WPF and other hopefuls X times. MS will not allow you to post them in most circumstances without you ending up with some liability for it. I believe you need to see the overhead (of 'best practices', 'common practices' and more) for yourself to actually start understanding that the bloat doesn't scale at all. And again, if in doubt, hit a box you had pretty sophisticated software 10 years ago on, and imagine that you will not ever have that functionality without a massive penalty ( yet you somehow did in the past, and so cheap ). So you call that advance? In which respect exactly, blurry text? (it was having fun on previous press release, not posting 'facts' that Silverlight, WPF and more sucks; duh. Btw, facts are obvious from the moment you run any of it; use the perf counters )
modified on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 5:47 PM
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(seems like you're pretty young and new to this) And what if I do benchmarks for a living and tell you that voting is irrelevant? I have no intererst in anyone listening more intently or similar on that subject, just that the engineering problems get fixed. And to me it is an utter mess, don't know about you but it does cost money in research and development. Besides, I mentioned this to Silver, WPF and other hopefuls X times. MS will not allow you to post them in most circumstances without you ending up with some liability for it. I believe you need to see the overhead (of 'best practices', 'common practices' and more) for yourself to actually start understanding that the bloat doesn't scale at all. And again, if in doubt, hit a box you had pretty sophisticated software 10 years ago on, and imagine that you will not ever have that functionality without a massive penalty ( yet you somehow did in the past, and so cheap ). So you call that advance? In which respect exactly, blurry text? (it was having fun on previous press release, not posting 'facts' that Silverlight, WPF and more sucks; duh. Btw, facts are obvious from the moment you run any of it; use the perf counters )
modified on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 5:47 PM
User of Users Group wrote:
And what if I do benchmarks for a living
Folks that do benchmarks don't derived an opinion of software based on the number of Google search results.
User of Users Group wrote:
So you call that advance?
Yes, absolutely. We have a unified, consistent, programming framework that supports every language imaginable, a rich UI toolkit, better threading tools, better refactoring tools, smarter development environments. We're getting better at understanding how we introduce bugs, and we're getting better at preventing them. Yet there are some folks blinded to all that on account of their fixated gaze on how software today uses more resources than 1995-circa Win32 apps. :doh: The underlying problem with your argument can be summed up like this: Reverse us 15 years and you'd be saying, "Who needs 16 colors? You call that advance? I used to be able to write DOS apps in < 1k of memory. These Win32 apps now take up 10mB!" The short-sightedness of that argument is its weakness.
Life, family, faith: Give me a visit. From my latest post: "How differently the psalmist saw it! How blessed -- how truly happy with real joy! -- is the man who delights in the Law of the Lord." Judah Himango