Which VS do you like?
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
VS2008 Pro, but then I rarely do anything but C# stuff any more. Better performance than VS2005 and handles all the new stuff like LINQ etc, less susceptible to designer crashes as well. I wouldn't know about C++ support though because I only use the very basics of that (well usually not even C++, just plain ol' C).
I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
NO, I only turned to the Dark Side.... I am the Web Guy for our company and spent many a private hour hard coding in HTML in a note book format. I use Visual Web now, cos it is quicker and easier to bung up a page or two. It is like I have betrayed my training, and taken the easy way out. but truth be known, I have less time to do this shit. I am Company Accountant, Quantity Surveyor, IT guy and tomorrow morning I am off to site to bollock the site managers, that makes me an Operations Director. I have always wanted to be a director, and I am slowly stealing the role! But still and yet I am using Visual Web like a dirty whore on the street of cheap programmers! Please, forgive me my sins! :)
------------------------------------ "I want you to imagine I have a blaster in my hand" - Zaphod Beeblebrox. "You DO have a blaster in your hand" - Freighter Pilot "Yeah, so you don't have to tax your imagination too hard" - Zaphod Beeblebrox
modified on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:31 PM
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
Based on one of your articles I assume you are coding in C++ and MFC. Unfortunately for me as a MFC programmer, new versions of VS were all nightmare. At least 'Express' editions. If you are going to continue MFC, then please consider these: -You'll not have "class wizard" any longer. -The IDE is too much slower because of it's intellisense. Please don't ignore this specially if your CPU has 1 core. -Sometimes IDE crashes for no good reason: eg. In VS2008 try adding a class based on CRecordset, then select a dynamic connection to an odbc source, I bet it will crash. -Old codes will not work often. Due to changes to the compiler, most old codes have errors now. This is not such a big problem, unless in one of your project you use a liberary that has compatibility issues(which I believe many libs have) and there's not a new version available. -I was not able to find "Add window message handler" dialog. -etc.(There are a lot more) As an MFC programmer, I'm sometimes stocked in situations that I decide to leave MFC forever, then I remember steve balmer saying developers and think it will be sure solved?! For older versions, I cannot add new(?) SDKs(All sort of errors). If a library needs it, I have to use new versions of IDE where I face new problems. I sometimes choose another way: I code in VS6 and compile in new VS! better way is to create a batch file that calls new compiler so no need to the new IDE at all.
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni while (I_am_alive)
{
cout<<"I love to do more than just programming.";
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
I find the combination of VS2003 and VS2008 is a hard one to beat - the former lightweight and relatively fast, the latter more standards compliant (with the feature pack it even has TR1 support), DEP compatible and better at mixed mode debugging. The only time I open VC6 (:~) or VS2005 ( X| X| X| ) now is when one of our customers has a query involving them. There are a few things you should be aware of:
- VS2002 onwards are far more standards compliant than the obsolete compiler shipped with VC6. If you've not taken the time to at least identify the non-compliances in your code, now is the time to to do it. A copy of Effective C++[^] will teach you the baic things you need to look for (and PC-Lint[^] will actually find the issues for you, if you are interested in code analysis), but I can tell you from experience that the no. 1 gotcha you will face is invalid for-loop scoping.
- If you build any code which uses ATL windowing (CWindow or similar) the only versions of ATL which are fully compatible with Data Execution Prevention (DEP) are those shipped with VS2005 and VS2008 (this one forced us to migrate our builds to VS2008, FWIW).
- The only IDE which supports the MFC Feature Pack (Ribbon controls and the TR1 extensions to the Standard Lbrary) is VS2008.
- The C++ 0x Standard should be out next year and it is a major upgrade. We expect the successor to VS2008 to be a big change in terms of the libraries it supports.
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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NO, I only turned to the Dark Side.... I am the Web Guy for our company and spent many a private hour hard coding in HTML in a note book format. I use Visual Web now, cos it is quicker and easier to bung up a page or two. It is like I have betrayed my training, and taken the easy way out. but truth be known, I have less time to do this shit. I am Company Accountant, Quantity Surveyor, IT guy and tomorrow morning I am off to site to bollock the site managers, that makes me an Operations Director. I have always wanted to be a director, and I am slowly stealing the role! But still and yet I am using Visual Web like a dirty whore on the street of cheap programmers! Please, forgive me my sins! :)
------------------------------------ "I want you to imagine I have a blaster in my hand" - Zaphod Beeblebrox. "You DO have a blaster in your hand" - Freighter Pilot "Yeah, so you don't have to tax your imagination too hard" - Zaphod Beeblebrox
modified on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:31 PM
Dalek Dave wrote:
I have always wanted to be a director, and I am slowly stealing the role!
I'm the Founder, and believe me it doesn't get any easier. I have to wear more hats than I've ever thought possible, and I still end up doing things like fixing broken links on our site that our web designer missed... :|
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
I'm currently working on VS6, VS2003 and vs2008 I think that vs2008 is the better of the 3. The only thing that I would have liked if you could compile .net 1.1 in vs2008.
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
I can only speak for C++ (desktop and embedded) -- VS2008... Crashes much less often than 2005 (which crashed almost once per hour, more often when adding classes = the usual suspect: Intelisense...). The debugger for VM5/6 are much faster in 2008 than in 2005 (relatively speaking of course -- it's not fast for any definition of the word). I recommend a fast machine (fast cpu, 2GB+ and fast harddiscs) and Whole Tomatoes "Visual Assist X". It makes a big difference...
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Which Anonymous font, their are loads of 'em.
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
VS 2008 works well. Intellisense is kind of broken for C++ though. It works 75% of the time (which is better than the 1% I got from VS 2005).
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Which Anonymous font, their are loads of 'em.
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Mark Simonson one. Google hit #1. http://www.ms-studio.com/FontSales/anonymous.html#[^]
Thanks, looks great in the ide.
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Based on one of your articles I assume you are coding in C++ and MFC. Unfortunately for me as a MFC programmer, new versions of VS were all nightmare. At least 'Express' editions. If you are going to continue MFC, then please consider these: -You'll not have "class wizard" any longer. -The IDE is too much slower because of it's intellisense. Please don't ignore this specially if your CPU has 1 core. -Sometimes IDE crashes for no good reason: eg. In VS2008 try adding a class based on CRecordset, then select a dynamic connection to an odbc source, I bet it will crash. -Old codes will not work often. Due to changes to the compiler, most old codes have errors now. This is not such a big problem, unless in one of your project you use a liberary that has compatibility issues(which I believe many libs have) and there's not a new version available. -I was not able to find "Add window message handler" dialog. -etc.(There are a lot more) As an MFC programmer, I'm sometimes stocked in situations that I decide to leave MFC forever, then I remember steve balmer saying developers and think it will be sure solved?! For older versions, I cannot add new(?) SDKs(All sort of errors). If a library needs it, I have to use new versions of IDE where I face new problems. I sometimes choose another way: I code in VS6 and compile in new VS! better way is to create a batch file that calls new compiler so no need to the new IDE at all.
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni while (I_am_alive)
{
cout<<"I love to do more than just programming.";
}Clearly VC6 - one of the few things MS has done that worked ...... As MFC/SDK developers moving to VS2005 (don't even think about 2002/2003!) - lot of work converting code and runtime problems due to exceptions being thrown from legacy code. Very frustrating having to re-write/correct but in heart of hearts know the code is now better..... Unfortunately VS2005 builds are really irritating as something in the dependencies is broken and too easy to have to rebuild everything (hint get rid of the solution build button!). For .net then 2008 or 2005 is fine - but .net is for wimps anyway :) Oh didn’t mention - expect VS to crash on regular basis – but you knew that anyway. Bob PS why does Microsoft insist on adding features to products rather than making them work correctly (how many people will use 3.5 features and how many would like an IDE that doesn’t crash…
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
I can't think of any advantage migrating step by step after VS7 ie if I were on VS7 I'd skip VS8 and go straight onto VS9 - its backward compatibility feature, via specifying which .NET is to be targeted makes it a no brainer. Not sure about going from VS6 straight into VS9, being a conservative I'd consider going to VS7(2003) as an stepping stone to VS9(2008), my experience with VS6 is limited and very rusty.
TUT
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
I use VS 2005 for C++ development and am very happy with it apart from the occasional hang in the debugger which requires you to kill it and start all over again. I would switch to VS 2008 if it weren't for the fact that Edit-and-Continue (surely the pearl in ths shell) doesn't report compiler errors (!!). Does anyone know if this is fixed in SP1 beta, by the way? If so, I will have another go, but I don't want to go through all that hassle only to find I have to go back to VS 2005 again. And another thing: why is the Performance Analyser not included in the Professional edition???? Surely all professionals need to profile their code. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
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We are still using VS6 (ahh...FORTRAN integration.....), but at some point we'll have to make the leap to a newer IDE. Is there a concensus as to which flavour is better? Or should we just go to the newest (and best ? haha!)
2008 is clearly the most complete and stable in my experience. i have used every version since vs6. still have to go back to vs2003 every once in a while, reminds me how far it has come since.
---Guy H ;-)---