Yer cannae change the laws of physics, Jim!
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Back in the days when I went to school, when the world was black and white and young ragamuffins spent their days acquiring soot stains from their travels up and down chimneys, I was taught the following: 1) The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions? Rich
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Back in the days when I went to school, when the world was black and white and young ragamuffins spent their days acquiring soot stains from their travels up and down chimneys, I was taught the following: 1) The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions? Rich
Our current understanding of the universe only works if these laws stay the same. But even then i'm pretty sure the physicists bend the laws quite a bit to explain alot of strange stuff.
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Back in the days when I went to school, when the world was black and white and young ragamuffins spent their days acquiring soot stains from their travels up and down chimneys, I was taught the following: 1) The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions? Rich
Rich Leyshon wrote:
- The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change
Maybe in this universe, but in the next one over, gasoline is free, there are no politicians, and hence there is no war. :)
Best wishes, Hans
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Back in the days when I went to school, when the world was black and white and young ragamuffins spent their days acquiring soot stains from their travels up and down chimneys, I was taught the following: 1) The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions? Rich
Rich Leyshon wrote:
- The laws of physics do not change
by change you mean actually change? or change in the books? because if it changes in the books...laws change since we cannot be sure we even understand the law yet....but the law itself im sure is not changing because we are just now discovering this new law and a law we thought was correct has turned out wrong.
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Rich Leyshon wrote:
- The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change
Maybe in this universe, but in the next one over, gasoline is free, there are no politicians, and hence there is no war. :)
Best wishes, Hans
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No politicians means no political structure. This means no organized society which is called anarchy. I don't believe anarchy is the solution to war.
“Cannot find REALITY.SYS...Universe Halted.” ~ God on phone with Microsoft Customer Support
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Rich Leyshon wrote:
- The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change
Maybe in this universe, but in the next one over, gasoline is free, there are no politicians, and hence there is no war. :)
Best wishes, Hans
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But the beer is flat. Not to mention the women.
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Rich Leyshon wrote:
- The laws of physics do not change
by change you mean actually change? or change in the books? because if it changes in the books...laws change since we cannot be sure we even understand the law yet....but the law itself im sure is not changing because we are just now discovering this new law and a law we thought was correct has turned out wrong.
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Right, our description of how this universe works does change.
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Back in the days when I went to school, when the world was black and white and young ragamuffins spent their days acquiring soot stains from their travels up and down chimneys, I was taught the following: 1) The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions? Rich
Newtonian and Maxwellian mechanics don't work so well on small particles, like electrons. Quantum Mechanics doesn't work so well in the macro world we perceive with our senses. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle works well with small particles like electrons, but has no meaning when we are talking about a futbol. When you speak of the laws of physics, it usually depends on the size of the universe you are considering. We don't really have a unified theory that explains all things. The holy grail being the unified force theory. So, to answer your question, Newtonian laws apply to a futbol (or baseball), but Quantum physics applies to the atoms that make up the matter in the ball. And nuclear physics will hurt your head. Nuclear physics and Microsoft(R) Vista(R) should be avoided in order to have a nice day.
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Right, our description of how this universe works does change.
yea yea sum up my 3 lines in 1.... ;P
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Back in the days when I went to school, when the world was black and white and young ragamuffins spent their days acquiring soot stains from their travels up and down chimneys, I was taught the following: 1) The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions? Rich
These are assumptions made in order to allow physics to proceed. Otherwise if the laws of physics were different in different places then abservations we make of things such as the motion of stars and of light become meaningless. It's essentially wishful thinking based on gut feelings backed by reasonable common sense. However recent work has shown that things such as the speed of light may actually have changed over time, leading the possibility that the laws may change over time, may be different in different places, or may simply be beyond what we can currently grasp. Physics is phrustrating.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Back in the days when I went to school, when the world was black and white and young ragamuffins spent their days acquiring soot stains from their travels up and down chimneys, I was taught the following: 1) The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions? Rich
Well history shows that the laws of physics change as time goes by. I'm confident alot of our physics laws that have been said to be absolute will be proven wrong eventually. After all if we knew everything about physics already we would not still be stuck on this planet.
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yea yea sum up my 3 lines in 1.... ;P
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No politicians means no political structure. This means no organized society which is called anarchy. I don't believe anarchy is the solution to war.
“Cannot find REALITY.SYS...Universe Halted.” ~ God on phone with Microsoft Customer Support
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Back in the days when I went to school, when the world was black and white and young ragamuffins spent their days acquiring soot stains from their travels up and down chimneys, I was taught the following: 1) The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions? Rich
Doesn't the "Law" part complete the idea? If I remember right Law is higher order than theory and such... been a while though and the physics I enjoy most... well... Law sums it up I think.
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Rich Leyshon wrote:
- The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change
Maybe in this universe, but in the next one over, gasoline is free, there are no politicians, and hence there is no war. :)
Best wishes, Hans
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Back in the days when I went to school, when the world was black and white and young ragamuffins spent their days acquiring soot stains from their travels up and down chimneys, I was taught the following: 1) The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions? Rich
There are many astronomical observations that agree with those statements. Things like spectra of stars, observed motion of stars within a galaxy and many other observations point to that being true. Those are only observations not experiments The vast majority of all experiments have been done at the surface of the Earth, and the most distant experiments from Earth have all been done with unmanned probes, and all of them within our tiny solar system. The current set of laws for describing the universe has gone from a hand crafted assembly or C++ application to the bloated enterprisy conglomeration of VB modules that is the standard model. Everyone wants there to be something simpler, nobody knows what it is, but perhaps finding it has to do with questioning assumptions like those.
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Back in the days when I went to school, when the world was black and white and young ragamuffins spent their days acquiring soot stains from their travels up and down chimneys, I was taught the following: 1) The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions? Rich
Rich Leyshon wrote:
- The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe
We have no reason the believe otherwise.
Rich Leyshon wrote:
- The laws of physics do not change
My belief is that they do not. However, there are many special cases where established and accepted theories/laws are proven inadequate.
Rich Leyshon wrote:
Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions?
This really hits at the heart of Special and General Relativity and why Einstein wanted to call it the "Theory of Invariance." I could go on at length because I used to teach Special and General Relativity and love the topics. One could say that the Einstein's entire opus was built upon absolutism and that he dreaded the term "Theory of Relativity." Do a google search on "Theory of Invariance + Einstein" and see what people much smarter than me have written about it.
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Back in the days when I went to school, when the world was black and white and young ragamuffins spent their days acquiring soot stains from their travels up and down chimneys, I was taught the following: 1) The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions? Rich
well, this is true. think of it this way: the universe works the way it does and it's true everywhere the universe works. but the real question is, do we know the law of physics? you can tell it an other way: the law of mathematic don't change. but does our description of the universe is mathematically accurate?
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These are assumptions made in order to allow physics to proceed. Otherwise if the laws of physics were different in different places then abservations we make of things such as the motion of stars and of light become meaningless. It's essentially wishful thinking based on gut feelings backed by reasonable common sense. However recent work has shown that things such as the speed of light may actually have changed over time, leading the possibility that the laws may change over time, may be different in different places, or may simply be beyond what we can currently grasp. Physics is phrustrating.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
this a communication problem. maybe the speed of light change, mybe this or that change. but the law of physics don't! it's just what we know of them which does!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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Back in the days when I went to school, when the world was black and white and young ragamuffins spent their days acquiring soot stains from their travels up and down chimneys, I was taught the following: 1) The laws of physics are the same, everywhere in the universe 2) The laws of physics do not change Does anyone have any proof of either of these statements or are they assumptions? Rich
These are simplifying assumptions - an application of Occam's Razor. However, any phycisist worth his salt would love to find that the laws of physics change over very large distances or over large time scales. Physics would become difficult, scarey but VERY interesting. Would this be any different than giving the kiss of life to Schrodinger's cat?
