Opera 9.5 [modified]
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The system I'm using right now is old and slow with barely enough memory to run XP (tried putting more in, but MB won't recognize one of the SIMM slots.) IE 6.0 runs fairly decent, but I've gotten used to firefox's tabs. However Firefox 2.0 is a memory pig and causes all sorts of grief on this system. Firefox 3.0 beta was better, but too unstable to be useful. I started using Opera 9 and except for a few quirks, it ran great. I just downloaded Opera 9.5. IT.IS.A.PILE.OF.CRAP. Seriously. It sucks bad. The color scheme is awful. The rendering is all over the place. It keeps stalling on web pages and throwing errors. They made changes to the UI for no damn reason. (Opera does one nice thing I wish Firefox did. I can click on a link with the middle mouse button and it will open the page in a new tab WITHOUT switching to it. Doh, staring my right in the face.) PS. Spun up Opera 9.5 to verify I wasn't just delusional. Nope. Rendering still sucks and some pages fail loading. I tried downgrading to 9.27. It won't run with complaints about mismatched components even after a full uninstall of all versions. They lost me as a customer for life. PPS. I installed Opera 9.5 on a fresh XP Virtual PC installation on a fast computer. I ran into the same problems I reported here. I stand by my statements. (I should also point out that while Opera 9.27 is pretty good, it crashes and/or locks up ON ALL SYSTEMS more than Firefox or IE. Periodically the internal data structure managing links in multiple tabs apparently becomes corrupt and the same link shows up in every tab. It does run good on low memory, low horsepower systems, but the more I used it, the more I disliked it and wouldn't recommend it.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
modified on Friday, June 13, 2008 11:22 PM
I already use Opera for a few years now and am still very fond of it (despite the fact some pages still do not render properly, but hey ... being a web developer I am also aware of the fact a lot of people and companies do not build web pages in a way it looks properly on most browsers anyway. But after upgrading to 9.5 today it still works very fast with me and I see no delay in loading pages (yet). The new look and feel is not my favorite too, but I always used another skin anyway so I will do so again (though it looks like the site containing the skins has some difficulty at this moment). All in all I do not see any noticable problems so far.
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Huh, wierd, I use Opera every day and I've been using 9.5 all day now and haven't noticed a single issue with it here or anywhere else.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
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Huh, wierd, I use Opera every day and I've been using 9.5 all day now and haven't noticed a single issue with it here or anywhere else.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
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I run all my stuff in different virtual machines and by doing that my performance rocks. With snapshots I can undo a SNAFU in one click. VMWare Workstation is a godsend. I have improved my system performance a ton by partitioning my installed applications into various VMs or snapshots. It reduces my system load so much. Plus I can cap a VM by limiting it's memory and processor usage and it's just unreal. If I need to rebuild my box I simply copy my VMs off to a NAS, reformat and I'm back working in under an hour. It's wonderful. I realize the OP doesn't have that option but I uh... just had to brag.:cool:
Do you have hardware virtualisation on your hosts? My employer saved a few quid when upgrading from our old P4 boxes by buying E2160 based boxes which don't support hardware virtualisation. I feel this is a bit short sighted, but don't have any hard figures to back it up. VMs are great though. We recently had to set up a product demo and all I needed to do was create a copy of my dev web server VM on our SBS, rename it and get our network guy to expose it on an external URL. When the client finished playing with it, we just switched it off. Marvellous!
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The system I'm using right now is old and slow with barely enough memory to run XP (tried putting more in, but MB won't recognize one of the SIMM slots.) IE 6.0 runs fairly decent, but I've gotten used to firefox's tabs. However Firefox 2.0 is a memory pig and causes all sorts of grief on this system. Firefox 3.0 beta was better, but too unstable to be useful. I started using Opera 9 and except for a few quirks, it ran great. I just downloaded Opera 9.5. IT.IS.A.PILE.OF.CRAP. Seriously. It sucks bad. The color scheme is awful. The rendering is all over the place. It keeps stalling on web pages and throwing errors. They made changes to the UI for no damn reason. (Opera does one nice thing I wish Firefox did. I can click on a link with the middle mouse button and it will open the page in a new tab WITHOUT switching to it. Doh, staring my right in the face.) PS. Spun up Opera 9.5 to verify I wasn't just delusional. Nope. Rendering still sucks and some pages fail loading. I tried downgrading to 9.27. It won't run with complaints about mismatched components even after a full uninstall of all versions. They lost me as a customer for life. PPS. I installed Opera 9.5 on a fresh XP Virtual PC installation on a fast computer. I ran into the same problems I reported here. I stand by my statements. (I should also point out that while Opera 9.27 is pretty good, it crashes and/or locks up ON ALL SYSTEMS more than Firefox or IE. Periodically the internal data structure managing links in multiple tabs apparently becomes corrupt and the same link shows up in every tab. It does run good on low memory, low horsepower systems, but the more I used it, the more I disliked it and wouldn't recommend it.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
modified on Friday, June 13, 2008 11:22 PM
Why not give Firefox 3 RC2 a whirl? I've found it rather reliable.
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The system I'm using right now is old and slow with barely enough memory to run XP (tried putting more in, but MB won't recognize one of the SIMM slots.) IE 6.0 runs fairly decent, but I've gotten used to firefox's tabs. However Firefox 2.0 is a memory pig and causes all sorts of grief on this system. Firefox 3.0 beta was better, but too unstable to be useful. I started using Opera 9 and except for a few quirks, it ran great. I just downloaded Opera 9.5. IT.IS.A.PILE.OF.CRAP. Seriously. It sucks bad. The color scheme is awful. The rendering is all over the place. It keeps stalling on web pages and throwing errors. They made changes to the UI for no damn reason. (Opera does one nice thing I wish Firefox did. I can click on a link with the middle mouse button and it will open the page in a new tab WITHOUT switching to it. Doh, staring my right in the face.) PS. Spun up Opera 9.5 to verify I wasn't just delusional. Nope. Rendering still sucks and some pages fail loading. I tried downgrading to 9.27. It won't run with complaints about mismatched components even after a full uninstall of all versions. They lost me as a customer for life. PPS. I installed Opera 9.5 on a fresh XP Virtual PC installation on a fast computer. I ran into the same problems I reported here. I stand by my statements. (I should also point out that while Opera 9.27 is pretty good, it crashes and/or locks up ON ALL SYSTEMS more than Firefox or IE. Periodically the internal data structure managing links in multiple tabs apparently becomes corrupt and the same link shows up in every tab. It does run good on low memory, low horsepower systems, but the more I used it, the more I disliked it and wouldn't recommend it.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
modified on Friday, June 13, 2008 11:22 PM
Dude, just wait another four days for Firefox 3 — Download Day[^]'s the seventeenth. :D
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The system I'm using right now is old and slow with barely enough memory to run XP (tried putting more in, but MB won't recognize one of the SIMM slots.) IE 6.0 runs fairly decent, but I've gotten used to firefox's tabs. However Firefox 2.0 is a memory pig and causes all sorts of grief on this system. Firefox 3.0 beta was better, but too unstable to be useful. I started using Opera 9 and except for a few quirks, it ran great. I just downloaded Opera 9.5. IT.IS.A.PILE.OF.CRAP. Seriously. It sucks bad. The color scheme is awful. The rendering is all over the place. It keeps stalling on web pages and throwing errors. They made changes to the UI for no damn reason. (Opera does one nice thing I wish Firefox did. I can click on a link with the middle mouse button and it will open the page in a new tab WITHOUT switching to it. Doh, staring my right in the face.) PS. Spun up Opera 9.5 to verify I wasn't just delusional. Nope. Rendering still sucks and some pages fail loading. I tried downgrading to 9.27. It won't run with complaints about mismatched components even after a full uninstall of all versions. They lost me as a customer for life. PPS. I installed Opera 9.5 on a fresh XP Virtual PC installation on a fast computer. I ran into the same problems I reported here. I stand by my statements. (I should also point out that while Opera 9.27 is pretty good, it crashes and/or locks up ON ALL SYSTEMS more than Firefox or IE. Periodically the internal data structure managing links in multiple tabs apparently becomes corrupt and the same link shows up in every tab. It does run good on low memory, low horsepower systems, but the more I used it, the more I disliked it and wouldn't recommend it.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
modified on Friday, June 13, 2008 11:22 PM
I have seen a lot of web browser that don't function right in the beta stage on systems with low memory... I have several computers, from fast to slow. I am using "Avant Browser" on the slowest one with great results... I actually like it becuase it loads some of the webiste quicker the then "Explorer and FireFox" http://www.avantbrowser.com/index.html .....
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The system I'm using right now is old and slow with barely enough memory to run XP (tried putting more in, but MB won't recognize one of the SIMM slots.) IE 6.0 runs fairly decent, but I've gotten used to firefox's tabs. However Firefox 2.0 is a memory pig and causes all sorts of grief on this system. Firefox 3.0 beta was better, but too unstable to be useful. I started using Opera 9 and except for a few quirks, it ran great. I just downloaded Opera 9.5. IT.IS.A.PILE.OF.CRAP. Seriously. It sucks bad. The color scheme is awful. The rendering is all over the place. It keeps stalling on web pages and throwing errors. They made changes to the UI for no damn reason. (Opera does one nice thing I wish Firefox did. I can click on a link with the middle mouse button and it will open the page in a new tab WITHOUT switching to it. Doh, staring my right in the face.) PS. Spun up Opera 9.5 to verify I wasn't just delusional. Nope. Rendering still sucks and some pages fail loading. I tried downgrading to 9.27. It won't run with complaints about mismatched components even after a full uninstall of all versions. They lost me as a customer for life. PPS. I installed Opera 9.5 on a fresh XP Virtual PC installation on a fast computer. I ran into the same problems I reported here. I stand by my statements. (I should also point out that while Opera 9.27 is pretty good, it crashes and/or locks up ON ALL SYSTEMS more than Firefox or IE. Periodically the internal data structure managing links in multiple tabs apparently becomes corrupt and the same link shows up in every tab. It does run good on low memory, low horsepower systems, but the more I used it, the more I disliked it and wouldn't recommend it.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
modified on Friday, June 13, 2008 11:22 PM
That's a shame. Works fine here.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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Steve Echols wrote:
and if it's as big o pile as you say it is,
Unless it's been damaged highly since the 9.27 release I suspect Joe was exxagerating a little bit because it's an excellent browser and much faster in general than any of the others at rendering pages from initial click. That's what happens though when you have a single company dedicated to a single browser product and not a haphazard open source or haphazard Microsoft effort.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
John C wrote:
Unless it's been damaged highly since the 9.27 release I suspect Joe was exxagerating a little bit because it's an excellent browser and much faster in general than any of the others at rendering pages from initial click.
Excepting anything ajax heavy. 9.2x chokes if you try dragging anything in googlemaps and curls up and dies in the face of google street view. 9.5beta fixed the ajax performance issue everywhere I tested. I haven't given the release version a spin yet.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon
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The system I'm using right now is old and slow with barely enough memory to run XP (tried putting more in, but MB won't recognize one of the SIMM slots.) IE 6.0 runs fairly decent, but I've gotten used to firefox's tabs. However Firefox 2.0 is a memory pig and causes all sorts of grief on this system. Firefox 3.0 beta was better, but too unstable to be useful. I started using Opera 9 and except for a few quirks, it ran great. I just downloaded Opera 9.5. IT.IS.A.PILE.OF.CRAP. Seriously. It sucks bad. The color scheme is awful. The rendering is all over the place. It keeps stalling on web pages and throwing errors. They made changes to the UI for no damn reason. (Opera does one nice thing I wish Firefox did. I can click on a link with the middle mouse button and it will open the page in a new tab WITHOUT switching to it. Doh, staring my right in the face.) PS. Spun up Opera 9.5 to verify I wasn't just delusional. Nope. Rendering still sucks and some pages fail loading. I tried downgrading to 9.27. It won't run with complaints about mismatched components even after a full uninstall of all versions. They lost me as a customer for life. PPS. I installed Opera 9.5 on a fresh XP Virtual PC installation on a fast computer. I ran into the same problems I reported here. I stand by my statements. (I should also point out that while Opera 9.27 is pretty good, it crashes and/or locks up ON ALL SYSTEMS more than Firefox or IE. Periodically the internal data structure managing links in multiple tabs apparently becomes corrupt and the same link shows up in every tab. It does run good on low memory, low horsepower systems, but the more I used it, the more I disliked it and wouldn't recommend it.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
modified on Friday, June 13, 2008 11:22 PM
Joe Woodbury wrote:
They made changes to the UI for no damn reason.
Old news. They've made seemingly arbitary changes with every version from 5.x to now. At this point my expectation with a new major release is that I'll need to spend 5 minutes finding where the setting to control the change is to roll it back to what I like. Opera's GUI is massively reconfigurable, unfortunately that seems to've given their designers free reign to mess with it.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon
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Huh, wierd, I use Opera every day and I've been using 9.5 all day now and haven't noticed a single issue with it here or anywhere else.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
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The system I'm using right now is old and slow with barely enough memory to run XP (tried putting more in, but MB won't recognize one of the SIMM slots.) IE 6.0 runs fairly decent, but I've gotten used to firefox's tabs. However Firefox 2.0 is a memory pig and causes all sorts of grief on this system. Firefox 3.0 beta was better, but too unstable to be useful. I started using Opera 9 and except for a few quirks, it ran great. I just downloaded Opera 9.5. IT.IS.A.PILE.OF.CRAP. Seriously. It sucks bad. The color scheme is awful. The rendering is all over the place. It keeps stalling on web pages and throwing errors. They made changes to the UI for no damn reason. (Opera does one nice thing I wish Firefox did. I can click on a link with the middle mouse button and it will open the page in a new tab WITHOUT switching to it. Doh, staring my right in the face.) PS. Spun up Opera 9.5 to verify I wasn't just delusional. Nope. Rendering still sucks and some pages fail loading. I tried downgrading to 9.27. It won't run with complaints about mismatched components even after a full uninstall of all versions. They lost me as a customer for life. PPS. I installed Opera 9.5 on a fresh XP Virtual PC installation on a fast computer. I ran into the same problems I reported here. I stand by my statements. (I should also point out that while Opera 9.27 is pretty good, it crashes and/or locks up ON ALL SYSTEMS more than Firefox or IE. Periodically the internal data structure managing links in multiple tabs apparently becomes corrupt and the same link shows up in every tab. It does run good on low memory, low horsepower systems, but the more I used it, the more I disliked it and wouldn't recommend it.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
modified on Friday, June 13, 2008 11:22 PM
The color scheme change (default) made me raise an eyebrow... just one of those "why'd they do that?" moments - no biggie. Seems to be running fine for me - I think you need a system upgrade! You'll really enjoy a faster / more stable computing experience.
Happy programming!
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The system I'm using right now is old and slow with barely enough memory to run XP (tried putting more in, but MB won't recognize one of the SIMM slots.) IE 6.0 runs fairly decent, but I've gotten used to firefox's tabs. However Firefox 2.0 is a memory pig and causes all sorts of grief on this system. Firefox 3.0 beta was better, but too unstable to be useful. I started using Opera 9 and except for a few quirks, it ran great. I just downloaded Opera 9.5. IT.IS.A.PILE.OF.CRAP. Seriously. It sucks bad. The color scheme is awful. The rendering is all over the place. It keeps stalling on web pages and throwing errors. They made changes to the UI for no damn reason. (Opera does one nice thing I wish Firefox did. I can click on a link with the middle mouse button and it will open the page in a new tab WITHOUT switching to it. Doh, staring my right in the face.) PS. Spun up Opera 9.5 to verify I wasn't just delusional. Nope. Rendering still sucks and some pages fail loading. I tried downgrading to 9.27. It won't run with complaints about mismatched components even after a full uninstall of all versions. They lost me as a customer for life. PPS. I installed Opera 9.5 on a fresh XP Virtual PC installation on a fast computer. I ran into the same problems I reported here. I stand by my statements. (I should also point out that while Opera 9.27 is pretty good, it crashes and/or locks up ON ALL SYSTEMS more than Firefox or IE. Periodically the internal data structure managing links in multiple tabs apparently becomes corrupt and the same link shows up in every tab. It does run good on low memory, low horsepower systems, but the more I used it, the more I disliked it and wouldn't recommend it.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
modified on Friday, June 13, 2008 11:22 PM
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Opera's been free for several years.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon
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Dude, just wait another four days for Firefox 3 — Download Day[^]'s the seventeenth. :D
Kizul Emeraldfire wrote:
Dude, just wait another four days for Firefox 3
I am.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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The joke message type exists for a reason.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon
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The system I'm using right now is old and slow with barely enough memory to run XP (tried putting more in, but MB won't recognize one of the SIMM slots.) IE 6.0 runs fairly decent, but I've gotten used to firefox's tabs. However Firefox 2.0 is a memory pig and causes all sorts of grief on this system. Firefox 3.0 beta was better, but too unstable to be useful. I started using Opera 9 and except for a few quirks, it ran great. I just downloaded Opera 9.5. IT.IS.A.PILE.OF.CRAP. Seriously. It sucks bad. The color scheme is awful. The rendering is all over the place. It keeps stalling on web pages and throwing errors. They made changes to the UI for no damn reason. (Opera does one nice thing I wish Firefox did. I can click on a link with the middle mouse button and it will open the page in a new tab WITHOUT switching to it. Doh, staring my right in the face.) PS. Spun up Opera 9.5 to verify I wasn't just delusional. Nope. Rendering still sucks and some pages fail loading. I tried downgrading to 9.27. It won't run with complaints about mismatched components even after a full uninstall of all versions. They lost me as a customer for life. PPS. I installed Opera 9.5 on a fresh XP Virtual PC installation on a fast computer. I ran into the same problems I reported here. I stand by my statements. (I should also point out that while Opera 9.27 is pretty good, it crashes and/or locks up ON ALL SYSTEMS more than Firefox or IE. Periodically the internal data structure managing links in multiple tabs apparently becomes corrupt and the same link shows up in every tab. It does run good on low memory, low horsepower systems, but the more I used it, the more I disliked it and wouldn't recommend it.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
modified on Friday, June 13, 2008 11:22 PM
I've found only one obscure issue with Opera 9.5 that will cause it to crash; other than that it works perfectly. The Opera servers have been bogged down lately, but that's to be expected with a new major release. I actually like the new default skin, but that's up to the user anyways. One new feature that really wow'd me was Opera Link[^], giving you the ability to synchronize bookmarks, Speed Dial entries, etc between Opera browsers on different PCs and platforms. The Quick Find feature is a great addition as well, not to mention Dragonfly[^] - although it is somewhat hidden in the Tools menu. All in all, I'm thoroughly impressed with this release. :-D Oh yeah, the central location for "add-ins" (widgets) can be found here[^].
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Do you have hardware virtualisation on your hosts? My employer saved a few quid when upgrading from our old P4 boxes by buying E2160 based boxes which don't support hardware virtualisation. I feel this is a bit short sighted, but don't have any hard figures to back it up. VMs are great though. We recently had to set up a product demo and all I needed to do was create a copy of my dev web server VM on our SBS, rename it and get our network guy to expose it on an external URL. When the client finished playing with it, we just switched it off. Marvellous!
Yes I do have hardware virtualization on the host server. My opinion on that is that either the product or the hardware has yet to figure out what to do with the other. The only benefit I got was that I could create 64bit VMs. That I can tell anyway...