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    Ilion
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    Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc -- NYT: Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection[^] Ben Witherington blogs on this: The Death and Resurrection of Messiah--- written in stone[^].

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      Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc -- NYT: Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection[^] Ben Witherington blogs on this: The Death and Resurrection of Messiah--- written in stone[^].

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      Jorgen Sigvardsson
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      Storm in a gold fish bowl.

      -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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        Storm in a gold fish bowl.

        -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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        Oakman
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        When it comes to ileitis is there any other kind?

        Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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          Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc -- NYT: Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection[^] Ben Witherington blogs on this: The Death and Resurrection of Messiah--- written in stone[^].

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          So a bunch of retards are debating their delusions?

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            When it comes to ileitis is there any other kind?

            Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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            Oakman wrote:

            When it comes to ileitis is there any other kind?

            Turd in a toilet bowl? :|

            If you don't have the data, you're just another asshole with an opinion.

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              So a bunch of retards are debating their delusions?

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              Chief Master C# wrote:

              So a bunch of retards are debating their delusions?

              You and Ilion.

              If you don't have the data, you're just another asshole with an opinion.

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                Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc -- NYT: Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection[^] Ben Witherington blogs on this: The Death and Resurrection of Messiah--- written in stone[^].

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                Christian Graus
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                the Leper Messiah ?

                Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you. If you're still stuck, ask me for more information.

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                  Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc -- NYT: Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection[^] Ben Witherington blogs on this: The Death and Resurrection of Messiah--- written in stone[^].

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                  google zeitgeist onthe video search site and be enlightened

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                    Storm in a gold fish bowl.

                    -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                    Ilion
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                    Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

                    Storm in a gold fish bowl.

                    If it is, it's not in any way that the likes of you would mean. Or, for that matter, likely "understand" (we have to write it as "understand," because, of course, you pretend-atheist Zombies can't actually have minds, and so you can't actually understand).

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                      Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

                      Storm in a gold fish bowl.

                      If it is, it's not in any way that the likes of you would mean. Or, for that matter, likely "understand" (we have to write it as "understand," because, of course, you pretend-atheist Zombies can't actually have minds, and so you can't actually understand).

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                      And yet, you don't understand C++. That ought to be a simple thing for you, oh so mighty one.

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                        Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc -- NYT: Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection[^] Ben Witherington blogs on this: The Death and Resurrection of Messiah--- written in stone[^].

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                        So, plagiarism isn't a modern concept. Interesting.

                        I'm the ocean. I'm a giant undertow.

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                          And yet, you don't understand C++. That ought to be a simple thing for you, oh so mighty one.

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                          Who said anything about not (not being able to) understanding C++? I don't *like* it: it's ugly and therefore I refuse to spend anymore time with it than I absolutely must. I refuse to *know* C++. You refuse to *know* the vacuity of your world-view, which you don't even actually believe to be true, in the first place. Which of us is really the worse off?

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                            So, plagiarism isn't a modern concept. Interesting.

                            I'm the ocean. I'm a giant undertow.

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                            73Zeppelin wrote:

                            So, plagiarism isn't a modern concept. Interesting.

                            Exactly what one expects of you: you never disappoint.

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                              Who said anything about not (not being able to) understanding C++? I don't *like* it: it's ugly and therefore I refuse to spend anymore time with it than I absolutely must. I refuse to *know* C++. You refuse to *know* the vacuity of your world-view, which you don't even actually believe to be true, in the first place. Which of us is really the worse off?

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                              Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                              You remind me of this person[^].

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                                You remind me of this person[^].

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                                Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                You remind me of this person

                                ROFL - he and Stan both have that tendency to just string buzzwords together and dropping in a period whenever they run out of breath!

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                                  google zeitgeist onthe video search site and be enlightened

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                                  killabyte wrote:

                                  google zeitgeist onthe video search site and be enlightened

                                  I'll try it the next time there's a power outage

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                                    the Leper Messiah ?

                                    Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you. If you're still stuck, ask me for more information.

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                                    A great tune that I haven't heard in a while. :)

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                                      So, plagiarism isn't a modern concept. Interesting.

                                      I'm the ocean. I'm a giant undertow.

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                                      Ileitis is a master plagiarist. He likes to steal quotes off the internet and use them here as if he thought them up himself.

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                                        Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc -- NYT: Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection[^] Ben Witherington blogs on this: The Death and Resurrection of Messiah--- written in stone[^].

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                                        Ilíon wrote:

                                        Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc --

                                        It actually lends a little credence to typical Christian beliefs that there were prophecies that were a part of some Jewish traditions at the time that predicted a Jesus character. In fact, there are at least a few references in the New Testament that flatly claim that Jesus is a fulfillment of these prophecies. To my somewhat limited knowledge, there was never a scholarly disagreement that there were not such messianic prophecies in Jewish sects at the time. Any disagreement was most likely how well these prophecies aligned with what is typically part of Christian theology then and now, not with their outright existence. Of course, it cannot lend credence either way (pro or con) to the accuracy of whether or not Jesus was God/Messiah/etc... But it is always interesting to see things in long-established holy texts get backed by some bit of archeological investigation.

                                        -- Russell Morris Morbo: "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!"

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                                          A great tune that I haven't heard in a while. :)

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                                          Master of puppets is my favourite album of all time. I believe there's a christian version, it's called pastor of muppets.

                                          Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you. If you're still stuck, ask me for more information.

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