VS2008
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There are significant groups inside Microsoft that have a long and rather public history of using customized toolsets and/or libraries. The device driver group and the Office group are two that immediately come to mind. One can only imagine how many others, less public, there are. I find it hard to believe that other development groups inside Microsoft would tolerate the shoddy craftsmanship in Visual Studio if they were forced to use it day in and day out. I wonder what tools they do use.
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"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Try pinning the properties window and repeat. Also, I've noticed that after you've altered the property and pressed enter then clicked on the control then this problem won't happen.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
pinning the properties window
Never, not enough real estate for that. Besides when I am using VS I spend most of my time writing code. :-D However, I just tried it and didn't have a problem.
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Why is it that when you're editing the properties of one control on a VS 2008 form and you click on another control who's properties that you happen to want to change as well, it instantly acts as if you double clicked the thing and creates a click event handler for it? Why? Why can't simple things be done right?
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Yes, that is very annoying. Like John said, it happens in VS2005 for me as well, and you'd think MS would have fixed it, unless it is some lame feature they wanted to incorporate :suss:
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Why is it that when you're editing the properties of one control on a VS 2008 form and you click on another control who's properties that you happen to want to change as well, it instantly acts as if you double clicked the thing and creates a click event handler for it? Why? Why can't simple things be done right?
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
For the basics make sure you click speed is up to snuff ,mind how you click on a property. I find , that left clicking of focus may do the job. Just another mental reflex to learn.
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You know what I wonder about? Whether the MS people actually do use their own products and actually go through the same issues that we do. If yes, then I have no idea what to say.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
You know what I wonder about? Whether the MS people actually do use their own products and actually go through the same issues that we do.
I seem to remember hearing that the Visual Studio group uses Visual Studio. Perhaps that explains something... :~
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'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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Why is it that when you're editing the properties of one control on a VS 2008 form and you click on another control who's properties that you happen to want to change as well, it instantly acts as if you double clicked the thing and creates a click event handler for it? Why? Why can't simple things be done right?
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
oh crap. so vs2008 does that too? I noticed that back in vs2005, and figured that if MS developers use VS for their work, they'd fix it..but alas. oh well.
"impossible" is just an opinion.
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oh crap. so vs2008 does that too? I noticed that back in vs2005, and figured that if MS developers use VS for their work, they'd fix it..but alas. oh well.
"impossible" is just an opinion.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
pinning the properties window
Never, not enough real estate for that. Besides when I am using VS I spend most of my time writing code. :-D However, I just tried it and didn't have a problem.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Never, not enough real estate for that. Besides when I am using VS I spend most of my time writing code.
Very true on both accounts, and like you most of the time I'm doing hardcore coding, but when I get to form design, its easier for me to simply pin the properties menu. This is because almost all the stuff I do (forms wise) is bi-lingual.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
However, I just tried it and didn't have a problem.
You are exceptionally lucky and I envy you :sigh:
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
You know what I wonder about? Whether the MS people actually do use their own products and actually go through the same issues that we do.
I seem to remember hearing that the Visual Studio group uses Visual Studio. Perhaps that explains something... :~
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
When I was a young and fresh graduate that had a gleam in his eye every time he heard the name Microsoft and while I was an intern and during my stint working at MS we used VS6 (which in my opinion just ROCKS the pants off of anything I've seen from them since). But I don't know if they still use VS or like Gary said their own custom tools. But yeah, it would explain something if they do use it and its still as is...
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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When I was a young and fresh graduate that had a gleam in his eye every time he heard the name Microsoft and while I was an intern and during my stint working at MS we used VS6 (which in my opinion just ROCKS the pants off of anything I've seen from them since). But I don't know if they still use VS or like Gary said their own custom tools. But yeah, it would explain something if they do use it and its still as is...
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
which in my opinion just ROCKS the pants off of anything I've seen from them since
IDE, yes. Compiler, not so much. And also, even VC6 IDE has issues. I am sick and tired of the "mask" filters in workspace/solution explorer. What doughhead came up with the idea of separating .h's from .cpp's? What doughhead thought that might be more relevant than using subfolders to organize files that belong together? What doughhead thought "an alphabetical list of classes is all people need"? [edit] swearword-filtered manually
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
which in my opinion just ROCKS the pants off of anything I've seen from them since
IDE, yes. Compiler, not so much. And also, even VC6 IDE has issues. I am sick and tired of the "mask" filters in workspace/solution explorer. What doughhead came up with the idea of separating .h's from .cpp's? What doughhead thought that might be more relevant than using subfolders to organize files that belong together? What doughhead thought "an alphabetical list of classes is all people need"? [edit] swearword-filtered manually
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
blog: TDD - the Aha! | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighistYes I was talking about the IDE.
peterchen wrote:
I am sick and tired of the "mask" filters in workspace/solution explorer. What doughhead came up with the idea of separating .h's from .cpp's? What doughhead thought that might be more relevant than using subfolders to organize files that belong together? What doughhead thought "an alphabetical list of classes is all people need"?
I can see that this is a sore point :) I'll make a note of it the next time I meet with Ray Ozzie and Gates.I promise to give them an earful and have them do something constructive and real about it :)
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Yes I was talking about the IDE.
peterchen wrote:
I am sick and tired of the "mask" filters in workspace/solution explorer. What doughhead came up with the idea of separating .h's from .cpp's? What doughhead thought that might be more relevant than using subfolders to organize files that belong together? What doughhead thought "an alphabetical list of classes is all people need"?
I can see that this is a sore point :) I'll make a note of it the next time I meet with Ray Ozzie and Gates.I promise to give them an earful and have them do something constructive and real about it :)
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Ray Ozzie
Please no! He'll only add Notes/Groove to VS20010 :omg:
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Ray Ozzie
Please no! He'll only add Notes/Groove to VS20010 :omg:
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
blog: TDD - the Aha! | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighistpeterchen wrote:
VS20010
Have to get past the Y10K bug first.
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Try pinning the properties window and repeat. Also, I've noticed that after you've altered the property and pressed enter then clicked on the control then this problem won't happen.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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vi or Eclipse depending on personal preference (imagine)
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
vi? vi? Get thee behind me, Satan! :laugh:
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