Gold members are abusing this site
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Shog9 wrote:
I'll probably never know what this poor soul's real question was. He managed to state it in such a vague, imprecise manner that i felt compelled to fall back on a humorously literal interpretation for my first reply. He takes another chance at it, but again throws away the opportunity to actually describe the problem he's seeing. I'm forced to assume that he is working with such a poor understanding of the systems involved that when his cargo-cult efforts to achieve results went awry he was left without any clear idea of even what it was he was trying to do. Or perhaps he was simply too lazy to bother typing up a description of what he saw on the screen before him. It's questions like this, and the folk asking them, that suck all the life from the forums.
Well you did answer after all, I mean you took the time to understand the question and answer. I am not sure English is his first language even though He is in the united states.
Bassam Saoud wrote:
Well you did answer after all, I mean you took the time to understand the question and answer.
I took time, yes. But i never got the satisfaction of understanding anything. Which is another frequent irritation: threads that dead-end because the person asking the question found what they needed (here or elsewhere) or gave up in frustration or... but we have to guess, because rarely is anyone polite enough to bother posting a final reply, even "kthnxbye", and so in cases like this there's still that little nagging voice in the back of my mind, repeating that damn vague question over and over again while i sleep or shower, trying to flush out any limited understanding from some dark forgotten corner of my brain, until curiosity has turned to bitterness. :shrug: I get fed up and stop answering questions entirely for a few days, weeks, months... Others have more direct ways of taking out their frustration.
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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A bad question is one that can't be answered. Like 'when I click on a data grid, I get an object somehing exception HELP !!! URGENT !!!!'
Bassam Saoud wrote:
could have been easily been answered if there was a will to help
Answering the really easy questions doesn't help. I am not really answering much anymore b/c I get downvoted all the time for trying to lead a horse to water instead of just throwing water at them, too many people here don't want to learn, they want someone to do their job for them, perpetually.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
A bad question is one that can't be answered. Like 'when I click on a data grid, I get an object somehing exception HELP !!! URGENT !!!!'
Christian is absolutely right here, Bassam. And there's another impact that would be fair to acknowledge - it takes time for good programmers to go through forum questions and provide good answers. Questions like the above are happening with such frequency that it's taking longer and longer just to find a reasonable question. When there's too much junk to wade through on a forum, the best responders are less inclined to participate - and why should they? We should never forget that a good answer on a forum is a donation of their time. So when the good responders leave, who's left? Just the junk-posters? A forum without standards can denigrate very quickly. It's appropriate for CP to encourage some base standards of acceptability in the questions that get posted.
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Paul Conrad wrote:
No so. One just needs at least half a brain to post a question. It is the vague and lame questions that can be likely answered by a quick google search that chap me.
Why is it OK to post a question on google and not ask on CP? CP is a popular website that appears in most searches because of the heavy duty information that exist on this site.Most of the folks here are beginners at the start of their learning process.Have you ever thought that they may not know what they are looking for? They read an article that they found in their search result but that they didnt understand it? They are just looking for a professional that can help them understand a concept in a simple way.
Bassam Saoud wrote:
Have you ever thought that they may not know what they are looking for?
Sure. Here's a question back to you. Have you ever thought there may be mooches or lazy leeches out there wanting people to do their work for them without learning anything at all?
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Christian Graus wrote:
When people ask the same questions over and over, and refuse to learn, or to do any research of their own
They are different people Chris, Its not the same person asking the same questions
Christian Graus wrote:
what should we do ?
Maximum, dont answer them.
Christian Graus wrote:
This is a free service, our reward is seeing people get better, I'd have thought.
Yes you are right, and people are being better ! I can give you examples if you want ;)
Bassam Saoud wrote:
Christian Graus wrote: When people ask the same questions over and over, and refuse to learn, or to do any research of their own They are different people Chris, Its not the same person asking the same questions
I think CP needs another forum for Homework Questions. Then person #2 does not have to ask the identical question, he can just wait for someone to ask a question and someone to answer the question. He gets his homework done with no effort or learning at all. We could have special rules for Cross-posting encouraged, and stupid questions with no basic research allowed. All students could then research the available answers (although I doubt he would) to find the best one. Maybe force them to look at every cross-posted question and every answer, and rate each answer and question 1 through N for best to worst. BTW - Personally I don't think it is the Gold members abusing the site.
Gary
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Bassam Saoud wrote:
And none answered the poor guy's question
Are you under the impression that it's a requirement that all questions asked in the forums must be answered?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Oakman wrote:
Bassam Saoud wrote: And none answered the poor guy's question Are you under the impression that it's a requirement that all questions asked in the forums must be answered?
Excellent Question!
Gary
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Yusuf wrote:
you see this shows some effort on the questioners side.
Never knew it was required ! The guy have a question. Answer or skip its your choice.
Bassam Saoud wrote:
Yusuf wrote: you see this shows some effort on the questioners side. Never knew it was required ! The guy have a question. Answer or skip its your choice. Quote Selected Text
The site is FREE and the support is VOLUNTARY. Where ever you go, there are written and un-written requirements. I remember once, way way back, a guy took a class with me ( college level class). The is no written requirment for the class, but there is well known and understood norm "Requirment". A guy started asking high school level questions and the instructor told him to do his homework and threw him out of the class. Most people would agree that, the un-written requirements of asking question are 1. Know what you are asking. Don't expect people to read your mind 2. show your effort, don't expect people to spoon-feed you. 3. Be polite and appreciate what you get for an answer. I know some people have language barrier. I don't think that by itself is an issue. If someone writes very poor engilish, but atleast demostrates the three points above, you will see either people will jump to help, or shut their mouth up. I have posted couple of question for which I did not get any reply. Either no one knew the solution to my problem, or I was not clear in my questions. But you see, I did not get any negative replies.
Yusuf
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Bassam Saoud wrote:
Have you ever thought that they may not know what they are looking for?
Sure. Here's a question back to you. Have you ever thought there may be mooches or lazy leeches out there wanting people to do their work for them without learning anything at all?
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
Paul Conrad wrote:
Here's a question back to you. Have you ever thought there may be mooches or lazy leeches out there wanting people to do their work for them without learning anything at all?
Yes, that could be true, but thats nit an excuse to *abuse* eveyone...Abuse may not be suitable in this context
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Christian Graus wrote:
When people ask the same questions over and over, and refuse to learn, or to do any research of their own
They are different people Chris, Its not the same person asking the same questions
Christian Graus wrote:
what should we do ?
Maximum, dont answer them.
Christian Graus wrote:
This is a free service, our reward is seeing people get better, I'd have thought.
Yes you are right, and people are being better ! I can give you examples if you want ;)
Bassam Saoud wrote:
They are different people Chris, Its not the same person asking the same questions
Yes, correct. There are plenty of people too stupid to type 'C# email send' into google, it appears.
Bassam Saoud wrote:
Maximum, dont answer them.
I tend to try to answer with questions, to get them to think for themselves. But, you're asking people here to just not care that the site's level is steadily dropping. The joke replies are an expression of frustration.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Perhaps I'm evil but I quite enjoy his responses a lot of the time, especially the classic "They hide that info in the documentaion" posts. However, being on the recieving end might sting.
It's *meant* to sting. Like I said, as a newbie on usenet, I got some stinging replies early on. I wanted to learn bad enough to take them to heart and work out what was an appropriate thing to ask, and how to go about it.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
The answers of these questions are in the books and/or universities…not in the internet forum, even if this forum name is CP.
What? This is a forum brother. A forum? The best way to get an answer. Give me a textbook that gives you a live discussion and different perspective on solving a problem.
The point is that they continually post the simplist and basic questions. Any book can give you the basics. If they had done any research of learning on their own, most of these questions would never have to be asked. Most people show little to no understanding of the problem, so the answer would just be us doing their work for them.