Crappy new monitor
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What's wrong with it ? I have the w2408h and it is incredible.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
w2408h
Clearly it's the "h" that makes all the difference... :laugh:
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What's wrong with it ? I have the w2408h and it is incredible.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
The screen is too bright and I can't find the right balance. The bigger problems is text readability, especially black text on a colored background. It seems to have a white shadow next to it. ClearType masks the problem, but it's still there and I really don't like ClearType.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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My trusty old ViewSonic started going into sleep mode for no reason, so I broke down and bought an HP W2007 widescreen LCD. It sucks. Bad. I have a Dell flat screen at work that's just right. I can't get this right to save my life.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
I have a Dell flat screen at work
Me too. Dual 17" sitting side by side with a picture of the 2010 Camaro on them.
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The screen is too bright and I can't find the right balance. The bigger problems is text readability, especially black text on a colored background. It seems to have a white shadow next to it. ClearType masks the problem, but it's still there and I really don't like ClearType.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Have you set the monitor in its full/native resolution? Anything other than the full resolution on an LCD will be interpolated making the fonts look like crap but just fine for images.
John
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My trusty old ViewSonic started going into sleep mode for no reason, so I broke down and bought an HP W2007 widescreen LCD. It sucks. Bad. I have a Dell flat screen at work that's just right. I can't get this right to save my life.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
(Incidentally, switching to a DVI cable fixed the color problems, but I'd already done that.) I had my wife sit down at it without telling her anything and she echoed many of my complaints, but in a slightly different way. That's when I realized what was happening--the backlight on the monitor is so bright that it's bleeding through the edges of the pixels. So, I turned the brightness all the way down and that helped a lot. It actually needs to be turned down another 10% but I can't. Likewise, the contrast needs to be turned up about 10% and I can't to that either. I'm still not very happy with it--for one thing the viewing angle is very narrow--but I'll rest my eyes a night and a day and see.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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(Incidentally, switching to a DVI cable fixed the color problems, but I'd already done that.) I had my wife sit down at it without telling her anything and she echoed many of my complaints, but in a slightly different way. That's when I realized what was happening--the backlight on the monitor is so bright that it's bleeding through the edges of the pixels. So, I turned the brightness all the way down and that helped a lot. It actually needs to be turned down another 10% but I can't. Likewise, the contrast needs to be turned up about 10% and I can't to that either. I'm still not very happy with it--for one thing the viewing angle is very narrow--but I'll rest my eyes a night and a day and see.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
I hate all LCD screens for this reason - I've never seen one that wasn't like this Or if the backlight doesn't bleed out from behind the pixels, it'll leave small black lines between the pixels instead Also, because the pixels are in a rectangular grid, you can get this odd line-interference - very painful to the eyes And of course the colours are never correct, not even close.. no matter how much tweaking you do.. So I'll stick to nice CRT screens until either plasma or laser screens become affordable or LCD screens stop being crappy (and no, CRT screens to do not take a lot of space - do you use the space behind your screen?)
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(Incidentally, switching to a DVI cable fixed the color problems, but I'd already done that.) I had my wife sit down at it without telling her anything and she echoed many of my complaints, but in a slightly different way. That's when I realized what was happening--the backlight on the monitor is so bright that it's bleeding through the edges of the pixels. So, I turned the brightness all the way down and that helped a lot. It actually needs to be turned down another 10% but I can't. Likewise, the contrast needs to be turned up about 10% and I can't to that either. I'm still not very happy with it--for one thing the viewing angle is very narrow--but I'll rest my eyes a night and a day and see.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
I turned the brightness all the way down and that helped a lot. It actually needs to be turned down another 10% but I can't.
Have you tried your graphics card driver? Most of them have come with their own control applet with a calibration wizard that allows you to set the gamma, brightness and contrast properly. That, in conjunction with the monitor settings (follow the wizard, it will tell you what to set the monitor brightness and contrast to) should allow you to set everything up the way you want. I have Acer LCD's and they were all way too bright until I ran the wizard on each one. Cheers, Drew.
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
I turned the brightness all the way down and that helped a lot. It actually needs to be turned down another 10% but I can't.
Have you tried your graphics card driver? Most of them have come with their own control applet with a calibration wizard that allows you to set the gamma, brightness and contrast properly. That, in conjunction with the monitor settings (follow the wizard, it will tell you what to set the monitor brightness and contrast to) should allow you to set everything up the way you want. I have Acer LCD's and they were all way too bright until I ran the wizard on each one. Cheers, Drew.
I've been working with both. I'm realizing there is another problem: HP uses relatively small pixels in relation to the grid. This makes 1 pixel wide lines too thin. My wife actually complained she could see each pixel.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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I hate all LCD screens for this reason - I've never seen one that wasn't like this Or if the backlight doesn't bleed out from behind the pixels, it'll leave small black lines between the pixels instead Also, because the pixels are in a rectangular grid, you can get this odd line-interference - very painful to the eyes And of course the colours are never correct, not even close.. no matter how much tweaking you do.. So I'll stick to nice CRT screens until either plasma or laser screens become affordable or LCD screens stop being crappy (and no, CRT screens to do not take a lot of space - do you use the space behind your screen?)
I've been looking at this monitor really close and realized that the pixels are relatively small compared to the grid. Oddly, the colors aren't terrible, but the grays are. I really wish my ViewSonic wasn't flaking out. The colors on it are perfectly adjusted for photo editing. I have a problem only in one game which sets the gamma too high or too low.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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The screen is too bright and I can't find the right balance. The bigger problems is text readability, especially black text on a colored background. It seems to have a white shadow next to it. ClearType masks the problem, but it's still there and I really don't like ClearType.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
It's a common problem with el-cheapo LCD monitors. Manufacturer uses cheaper electronics that can't provide enough signal quality. So they use sharpening filters. Such filters boost the contrast between nearby pixels by darkening dark and brightening bright ones around the edge. This way if you have dark-gray text on light-gray background, the text (or text borders if font is big) will be almost black, while the background just next to the text will be almost white. It's a very irritating effect and will stress your eyes a lot. That's why I don't buy cheap monitors and refuse to buy anything that is TN-based or has no DVI. I prefer to save my eyes rather than money. Too bad that most of the LCD manufacturers don't care. So now I use my EIZO T965 (pro 21" CRT) with thick shielded cable. My suggestion - set contrast to around 70%, adjust brightness not to be disturbing, then decrease or turn off the image sharpening. It may be called in other way in your LCD's OSD, but there should be such option. After that you may adjust the brightness and contrast as you want. ClearType might help a bit after you're done with all these sharpness "enhancements". If you decide to use it, download "ClearType Tuner PowerToy" from Microsoft PowerToys page[^]. It will let you adjust the ClearType settings. The defaults didn't work well for me. When set up, it should improve the image quality both on LCDs as well as on CRTs with slit mask.
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I hate all LCD screens for this reason - I've never seen one that wasn't like this Or if the backlight doesn't bleed out from behind the pixels, it'll leave small black lines between the pixels instead Also, because the pixels are in a rectangular grid, you can get this odd line-interference - very painful to the eyes And of course the colours are never correct, not even close.. no matter how much tweaking you do.. So I'll stick to nice CRT screens until either plasma or laser screens become affordable or LCD screens stop being crappy (and no, CRT screens to do not take a lot of space - do you use the space behind your screen?)
Well, our tables are handmade by a local wood-shop. So we have nice tables * that allow us to have more space in the middle of the room. Where do we have a table to discuss different topics usually during the design stage of a project. In other places of the company the space at the back of the monitors it's being used to store things like CDROMS, backup copies of each computer, cables, the loudspeakers (this is only me :cool: ) and other stuff. But of course I must agree you that I've always preferred the CRT... or at least a very nice TFT.
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It's a common problem with el-cheapo LCD monitors. Manufacturer uses cheaper electronics that can't provide enough signal quality. So they use sharpening filters. Such filters boost the contrast between nearby pixels by darkening dark and brightening bright ones around the edge. This way if you have dark-gray text on light-gray background, the text (or text borders if font is big) will be almost black, while the background just next to the text will be almost white. It's a very irritating effect and will stress your eyes a lot. That's why I don't buy cheap monitors and refuse to buy anything that is TN-based or has no DVI. I prefer to save my eyes rather than money. Too bad that most of the LCD manufacturers don't care. So now I use my EIZO T965 (pro 21" CRT) with thick shielded cable. My suggestion - set contrast to around 70%, adjust brightness not to be disturbing, then decrease or turn off the image sharpening. It may be called in other way in your LCD's OSD, but there should be such option. After that you may adjust the brightness and contrast as you want. ClearType might help a bit after you're done with all these sharpness "enhancements". If you decide to use it, download "ClearType Tuner PowerToy" from Microsoft PowerToys page[^]. It will let you adjust the ClearType settings. The defaults didn't work well for me. When set up, it should improve the image quality both on LCDs as well as on CRTs with slit mask.
Marcin Smialek wrote:
That's why I don't buy cheap monitors and refuse to buy anything that is TN-based or has no DVI. I prefer to save my eyes rather than money. Too bad that most of the LCD manufacturers don't care. So now I use my EIZO T965 (pro 21" CRT) with thick shielded cable.
Dunno if they're still in stock but a few months ago www.directron.com [^] had NEC 2090UXi's (20" 1600x1200 IPS) refurbs for ~$250 each. Even after adding the price of a DVI cable it was still roughly 1/3rd the list price which IMO was enough savings to drop the last 3 years of the warranty on a new one. I've got two of the beauties at home. :cool:
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It's a common problem with el-cheapo LCD monitors. Manufacturer uses cheaper electronics that can't provide enough signal quality. So they use sharpening filters. Such filters boost the contrast between nearby pixels by darkening dark and brightening bright ones around the edge. This way if you have dark-gray text on light-gray background, the text (or text borders if font is big) will be almost black, while the background just next to the text will be almost white. It's a very irritating effect and will stress your eyes a lot. That's why I don't buy cheap monitors and refuse to buy anything that is TN-based or has no DVI. I prefer to save my eyes rather than money. Too bad that most of the LCD manufacturers don't care. So now I use my EIZO T965 (pro 21" CRT) with thick shielded cable. My suggestion - set contrast to around 70%, adjust brightness not to be disturbing, then decrease or turn off the image sharpening. It may be called in other way in your LCD's OSD, but there should be such option. After that you may adjust the brightness and contrast as you want. ClearType might help a bit after you're done with all these sharpness "enhancements". If you decide to use it, download "ClearType Tuner PowerToy" from Microsoft PowerToys page[^]. It will let you adjust the ClearType settings. The defaults didn't work well for me. When set up, it should improve the image quality both on LCDs as well as on CRTs with slit mask.
I've decided to just return it and buy another CRT.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke