American invasions
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You can't save the world from tyranny without breaking a few eggs. Much of that history may have been a mistake, but none of it happened in a geo-political vacume. Would you and your girlfriend prefer to be living in a Nazi or communist totalitarian utopia? Or, how about a nuclear wasteland? Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that. Which is the only reason either of you are now free to bitch about it on the internet. Most Americans would prefer to live in our quaint little Jeffersonian republic with no need to interact at all with the rest of you ungrateful assholes. Unfortunantly you are unable to do it for yourselves.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that. Which is the only reason either of you are now free to bitch about it on the internet.
Actually our freedom was won when Truman bombed Hiroshima. After that no war that has been fought has directly affected anybody's freedom here in the U.S. The wars of late have only allowed people from other lands to come to the U.S. and complain about our customs and traditions and demand what they have no right to.
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What a pile of ignorant BS. I feel like I've said this to you before. The US did at least as much as the USSR to bring the world to the brink of nuclear war. WWII, I said that already. The US did good there and has does good elsewhere. But to justify every dirty war the US has waged is as ignorant as attacking everything the US has ever done.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
But to justify every dirty war the US has waged is as ignorant as attacking everything the US has ever done.
No, as a matter of fact it isn't ignorant at all. None of it happened in a vacume. No one could possibly know the history that would have happened had the US not behaved as it did. Would you have preferred that we confronted the USSR directly, risking thermo nuclear war? Or should we just have surrendered to them? Our fight against communism, in whatever form it took, was as justified as was our bombing of Nagasaki and Heroshima or Dresdin, or our invasion of Iraq for that matter. It is all part of precisely the same responsibility.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Yeah, but its all part of God's plan, so what ya gonna do?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
so what ya gonna do
I'm gonna wait till judgement day and tell everyone "I told you so" :)
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that. Which is the only reason either of you are now free to bitch about it on the internet.
Actually our freedom was won when Truman bombed Hiroshima. After that no war that has been fought has directly affected anybody's freedom here in the U.S. The wars of late have only allowed people from other lands to come to the U.S. and complain about our customs and traditions and demand what they have no right to.
Beauty is only a light switch away.
Dirk Higbee wrote:
After that no war that has been fought has directly affected anybody's freedom here in the U.S.
Thats because by intervening early, we prevented it from getting that far.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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You can't save the world from tyranny without breaking a few eggs. Much of that history may have been a mistake, but none of it happened in a geo-political vacume. Would you and your girlfriend prefer to be living in a Nazi or communist totalitarian utopia? Or, how about a nuclear wasteland? Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that. Which is the only reason either of you are now free to bitch about it on the internet. Most Americans would prefer to live in our quaint little Jeffersonian republic with no need to interact at all with the rest of you ungrateful assholes. Unfortunantly you are unable to do it for yourselves.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that. Which is the only reason either of you are now free to bith about it on the internet.
Although America's role in WW2 was vital, and everyone is grateful that it eventually joined the fight, I'd like to add: "It's because of the men and women of many European and Pacific countries, who were dieing in the treches long before the American's joined the war that us ungrateful assholes can get on the internet and moan about it."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Would you and your girlfriend prefer to be living in a Nazi or communist totalitarian utopia? Or, how about a nuclear wasteland? Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that.
I can see a lot of irony in the words "good leadership", and "nuclear wasteland" here. The Nazi's (or communists) would never have prevailed, invading and occuping a country is one thing, keeping control of it is another.
Mark Brock Click here to view my blog
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Dirk Higbee wrote:
After that no war that has been fought has directly affected anybody's freedom here in the U.S.
Thats because by intervening early, we prevented it from getting that far.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
No, because they're pointless, time, life and money wasting agenda's brought on by war monger's like daddy and junior Bush.
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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Christian Graus wrote:
But to justify every dirty war the US has waged is as ignorant as attacking everything the US has ever done.
No, as a matter of fact it isn't ignorant at all. None of it happened in a vacume. No one could possibly know the history that would have happened had the US not behaved as it did. Would you have preferred that we confronted the USSR directly, risking thermo nuclear war? Or should we just have surrendered to them? Our fight against communism, in whatever form it took, was as justified as was our bombing of Nagasaki and Heroshima or Dresdin, or our invasion of Iraq for that matter. It is all part of precisely the same responsibility.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
or our invasion of Iraq for that matter.
a pointless waste of time. Thousands of young lives lost for nothing. Our reaction to 9/11 should have been to assasinate Osama right away. We've known where is and have had plenty of opportunities but some idiot thought it would be some sort of political nightmare and made him a martyr. If we had a president with some real balls(like Truman) he could have stood up and said "ok it's done, tough s**t, let this be a lesson to the next a**hole that wants to try something so stupid." Reminds me of Bruce Willis in The Fifth Element. "Anybody else want to negotiate?"
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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My girlfriend was telling me the other night that before she was born her parants had to move over here as refugee's because American's destroyed their neighbourhood during the Vietnam war. I never knew the US was even in Cambodia, so out of interest I give you... *** AMERICAN INVASIONS ***
Note: for the best experience sing the below loudly while you read the list... America... America... America, FUCK YEAH! Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah, America, FUCK YEAH! Freedom is the only way yeah, Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too, America, FUCK YEAH! So lick my butt, and suck on my balls, America, FUCK YEAH! What you going to do when we come for you now, it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow FUCK YEAH!Quemoy & Matsu Island Taiwan Straits Congo Laos Vietnam Cuba Dominican Republic Korea Cambodia Thailand (in direct support of Cambodia Operation) Operation Eagle Pull – Evacuation of Cambodia Operation Frequent Wind – Evacuation of Vietnam Mayaguez Operation Operation Urgent Fury – Grenada Lebanon Germany (West Berlin) Austria Korea Japan Italy Trieste Germany (except West Berlin) Austria Asiatic Pacific Korean Service Medal (Army, Navy, Air Force) Berlin Lebanon Libyan Operation El Dorado Canyon Persian Gulf Operation Earnest Will Panama Operation Just Cause Somalia-United Shield-Operation Restore Hope Haiti – Operation Uphold Democracy Operation Southern Watch (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Oman, Gulf of Omen W. Of 62’ E. Long, Yemen, Egypt, Jordan) El Salvador Bosnia – Operation Joint Endeavor Operation Joint Guard Operation Vigilant Sentinel Operation Northern Watch Operation Maritime Intercept Operation Joint Forge (Bosnia-Herzegovina) Operation Desert Thunder Operation Desert Fox Thailand Military Operation Cuban Military Operation Iranian, Yemen & Indian Ocean Operation Lebanon Libyan Expedition Panama – (pre and post invasion) Liberia (Operation Sharp Edge) Rwanda (Operation Distant runner) Vietnam Service Medal Operation Desert Storm/Operation Desert Shield Combat Action Ribbon Korean Service Kosovo Campaign Medal (Allied Force) Joint Guardian Allied Harbor Sustain Hope/Shining Hope Nobel Anvil Kosovo Task Force Hawk Kosovo Task Force Saber Kosovo Task Force Falcon Kosovo Task force Hunter Kosovo Air Campaign Kosovo Defense campaignMark Brock
MarkBrock wrote:
I never knew the US was even in Cambodia,
Cambodia was where a lot of the Ho Chi Minh (look him up, dates, and all) trail was situated and we bombed it, strafed it and dropped search and destroy teams down on it frequently.
MarkBrock wrote:
parants had to move over here as refugee's because American's destroyed their neighbourhood during the Vietnam war.
"American's" what? The American's allies, the Anzac soldiers? Diggers and Kiwis were in Vietnam from 1962 to 1972. They kicked ass and didn't bother taking names. Four of 'em, for chrissake, were awarded the Victoria Cross. By the way, in English, only letters and numbers are pluralized with a single quote mark in front of the "s". "Americans" is plural; "American's" is possesive.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that. Which is the only reason either of you are now free to bith about it on the internet.
Although America's role in WW2 was vital, and everyone is grateful that it eventually joined the fight, I'd like to add: "It's because of the men and women of many European and Pacific countries, who were dieing in the treches long before the American's joined the war that us ungrateful assholes can get on the internet and moan about it."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Would you and your girlfriend prefer to be living in a Nazi or communist totalitarian utopia? Or, how about a nuclear wasteland? Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that.
I can see a lot of irony in the words "good leadership", and "nuclear wasteland" here. The Nazi's (or communists) would never have prevailed, invading and occuping a country is one thing, keeping control of it is another.
Mark Brock Click here to view my blog
MarkBrock wrote:
The Nazi's (or communists) would never have prevailed, invading and occuping a country is one thing, keeping control of it is another
Just a bit of speculation, reckon?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Christian Graus wrote:
But to justify every dirty war the US has waged is as ignorant as attacking everything the US has ever done.
No, as a matter of fact it isn't ignorant at all. None of it happened in a vacume. No one could possibly know the history that would have happened had the US not behaved as it did. Would you have preferred that we confronted the USSR directly, risking thermo nuclear war? Or should we just have surrendered to them? Our fight against communism, in whatever form it took, was as justified as was our bombing of Nagasaki and Heroshima or Dresdin, or our invasion of Iraq for that matter. It is all part of precisely the same responsibility.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Our fight against communism
Was largely in your own minds and of your own invention.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that. Which is the only reason either of you are now free to bith about it on the internet.
Although America's role in WW2 was vital, and everyone is grateful that it eventually joined the fight, I'd like to add: "It's because of the men and women of many European and Pacific countries, who were dieing in the treches long before the American's joined the war that us ungrateful assholes can get on the internet and moan about it."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Would you and your girlfriend prefer to be living in a Nazi or communist totalitarian utopia? Or, how about a nuclear wasteland? Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that.
I can see a lot of irony in the words "good leadership", and "nuclear wasteland" here. The Nazi's (or communists) would never have prevailed, invading and occuping a country is one thing, keeping control of it is another.
Mark Brock Click here to view my blog
MarkBrock wrote:
"It's because of the men and women of many European and Pacific countries, who were dieing in the treches long before the American's joined the war that us ungrateful assholes can get on the internet and moan about it."
So, just to be sure I understand your world view - when the US waits we are bad guys, and when it intervenes early we are bad guys. Ok, I get it. You're an idiot.
MarkBrock wrote:
The Nazi's (or communists) would never have prevailed, invading and occuping a country is one thing, keeping control of it is another.
Actually, the notion of you guys fighting endless bloody querilla warfare against the real bad guys while we set back enjoying life is quite appealing.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Our fight against communism
Was largely in your own minds and of your own invention.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
Was largely in your own minds and of your own invention
No, it was actually quite real.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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What a pile of ignorant BS. I feel like I've said this to you before. The US did at least as much as the USSR to bring the world to the brink of nuclear war. WWII, I said that already. The US did good there and has does good elsewhere. But to justify every dirty war the US has waged is as ignorant as attacking everything the US has ever done.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
The US did at least as much as the USSR to bring the world to the brink of nuclear war.
Why, I wonder, when the U.S. was the only nation with nuclear weapons, didn't the Pentagon just charge right in and bomb the shit out of the USSR? If you think the Russians wouldn't have taken advantage of that kind of technological superiority, I suggest you check your impressions with eastern Europeans.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Most Americans would prefer to live in our quaint little Jeffersonian republic with no need to interact at all with the rest of you ungrateful assholes. Unfortunantly you are unable to do it for yourselves.
Funny enough, most of the major trouble spots in the world today are that way because of the US meddling with their political process, getting rid of popularly elected politicians who were percieved as being 'too red' or in some other way not suited to US interests ( such as United Fruit in Cuba ).
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that. Which is the only reason either of you are now free to bith about it on the internet.
Although America's role in WW2 was vital, and everyone is grateful that it eventually joined the fight, I'd like to add: "It's because of the men and women of many European and Pacific countries, who were dieing in the treches long before the American's joined the war that us ungrateful assholes can get on the internet and moan about it."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Would you and your girlfriend prefer to be living in a Nazi or communist totalitarian utopia? Or, how about a nuclear wasteland? Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that.
I can see a lot of irony in the words "good leadership", and "nuclear wasteland" here. The Nazi's (or communists) would never have prevailed, invading and occuping a country is one thing, keeping control of it is another.
Mark Brock Click here to view my blog
MarkBrock wrote:
The Nazi's (or communists) would never have prevailed, invading and occuping a country is one thing, keeping control of it is another.
Have you ever studied the history of the twentieth century?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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MarkBrock wrote:
The Nazi's (or communists) would never have prevailed, invading and occuping a country is one thing, keeping control of it is another.
Have you ever studied the history of the twentieth century?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Have you ever studied the history of the twentieth century
Which one? :-D
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
so what ya gonna do
I'm gonna wait till judgement day and tell everyone "I told you so" :)
Beauty is only a light switch away.
You forgot the joke icon ?
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Was largely in your own minds and of your own invention
No, it was actually quite real.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
I'm not saying the USSR did not have nukes. I am saying they had no plan for global domination.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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You forgot the joke icon ?
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Well, not really. Judgement day is coming and we will all answer individually for everything we've done. As far as the 'I told you so' that's for the ones that don't believe it's coming.
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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I'm not saying the USSR did not have nukes. I am saying they had no plan for global domination.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
I am saying they had no plan for global domination.
First, global domination was the central point of communism from its very inception. Second, the Soviet Union was the heir apparent of European imperialism. The notion that they had 'no plan' for global domination is too absurd to even debate. It would have been an historic inevitability, and only a deluded, gullible, poorly read fool would contend otherwise.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.