Is it good to use Vista ?
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Chris Maunder wrote:
At a fundamental level it's more advanced and secure than XP
In which way is it more secured? Is it the continues popup you get - what is even the name of that feature? Vista is a new OS and not yet really field tested, so the least we want to hear is that more secure stuff. Last year I upgraded my internet to broadband, my provider was advertising "more secure" on the TV. I ordered the upgrade just to be sent Mcfee anti-virus CD as the "more secure". To me buying a new PC with Vista might make sense, but to pop it on a current PC, there seems to be no reason. Best regards, Paul.
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Hi there. I'm using WinXp SP2. I'd like to know , it's good to use Windows Vista now ? Why? What are your reasons ?
I Installed Vista on a 15GB partition and in two months it grew so much so that now there are only 500MB free on that drive. All other software I am using is on a different partition so those 14.5 gigs are just for OS! For one thing it constantly updates and requires restart. But the big problem right now is that I can't install SP1 because it requires 2GB of free space! I tried freeing up some space but didn't manage to get enough. Turns out that the Winsxs folder takes nearly 8GB, and there is nothing one can do about that. Unfortunately repartitioning is not an option at this point. So the only thing I can do is create a new Vista CD with SP1 integrated and reinstall. :wtf: This is my first experience with Vista, draw your own conclusions. If I were you I would definitely stick to XP.
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Hi there. I'm using WinXp SP2. I'd like to know , it's good to use Windows Vista now ? Why? What are your reasons ?
I have been running Vista Ultimate as my main development platform for several months now. I wouldn't go back to XP for anything but that having been said - Vista is a resource hog. I run it on my Dell Inspiron 9200 also but it is definitely slow. This machine sports an Intel Quad core processor and 4 GB of memory so Vista practically screams. One thing - USE UAC - it will save your life so to speak. I run Windows OneCare so virus scanning is always on but I've had no viruses because I have to give them permission to run. At first it got under my skin but now I wouldn't have it any other way. It will grow on you I guarantee!
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Hi there. I'm using WinXp SP2. I'd like to know , it's good to use Windows Vista now ? Why? What are your reasons ?
Yes, it is, in the beginning the where lots of driver issues those are solved now. However, if you have a slow machine/less than 3 GB ram you might consider the 32 bit version of Vista because it’s faster on those kind of machines and maybe even remove the Vista Aero stuff. Vista got a lot to offer beside Aero, it really enhances my productivity, its faster to navigate around in the file system, I can run commands directly from the start menu, and it obviously is much safer than XP. I don't use Vista myself, instead I use Windows Server 2008 as a Workstation but I am running Vista at work and am very satisfied with it now. Now I am not saying that there want be a transitioning period for you, there will be, but I am sure it will be a short one and you will be very satisfied once you get to know Vista. Cons? Today? Hmm there aren't really any unless of course you don't have at least 2GB ram and a dual core CPU, but hey, who doesn’t have that today?
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My work laptop is XP2 so I switched my personal laptop to Vista so I can be prepared in case the eventual switch ever occurs. I think some of the WPF things are neat, however, when I look at how much juice is draws from the laptop I wonder if companies have looked at the overhead cost of even developing in Vista. If your PC is drawing 200W/hrs to run a simple business app * 200 users that is a lot of power compared to the low draw that can be achieved with SP2 and an LCD. Heck, most of my apps business apps run near idle. But yet, I run Vista, no real reason.
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I Installed Vista on a 15GB partition and in two months it grew so much so that now there are only 500MB free on that drive. All other software I am using is on a different partition so those 14.5 gigs are just for OS! For one thing it constantly updates and requires restart. But the big problem right now is that I can't install SP1 because it requires 2GB of free space! I tried freeing up some space but didn't manage to get enough. Turns out that the Winsxs folder takes nearly 8GB, and there is nothing one can do about that. Unfortunately repartitioning is not an option at this point. So the only thing I can do is create a new Vista CD with SP1 integrated and reinstall. :wtf: This is my first experience with Vista, draw your own conclusions. If I were you I would definitely stick to XP.
Well folks for you who have a 40 GB hard drive and only a 15 GB system partition, single core or less than 2 GB ram stay away from Vista. For those of us not living in the Stone Age, Vista is really great.
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FWIW, I'm going with Windows Server 2008[^] instead of Vista for my new dev box.
I totally agree, I do the same, unfortunately at work I have to use Vista. But hey, I would not trade that for XP.
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It's been fine for me except was a real pain to set up - had to try 5 network cards to find one that was compatible, and remove all of my PCI cards during the install.. But that was a year ago so things mught have changed now :) Regards, --Perspx
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Yes, they have, the driver issues are mostly solved now, even 64 bit drivers are generally available.
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Try read this...[^] or the actual report[^] I like the conclusion in this[^] Again, until that OS is fully tested, the security thing, which even being patched every month if not week, is a simple unproven theory. Best regards, Paul.
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AFAIK these 'hacks' can give you access to about an extra 512Mb of the 'mising' 1Gb - not to be sneezed at, I guess, but I also understand that the access to this extra memory is slower, and possibly only works with certain motherboard chipsets. Maybe I'll try it on my office PC and see what happens. If I don't reply, you'll know all didn't go well ;)
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These limitations are due to the Win32 memory model. Win32 memory model was concepted in early 90's, when desktop machines were delivered with 4MB; at those times, 4 GibaByte was a really huge amount of memory. Microsoft decided to divide the addressable space (4GB) in two, 2GB, sections - one for the OS, the other for applications. Therefore, no Win32 application shall access more than its 2GB share of memory. Under this model, a machine running with 4GB is using intensively the 2GB share for apps and the first giga of the OS - the second is not used, in most desktops. Microsoft has noticed exactly this: the OS rarely uses completely its share of 2GB; so, they decided to support PAE (an hardware feature), to divide memory differently in 3GB for applications and 1GB for OS. However, few applications are prepared to PAE (mostly, server applications), so, the probability of having an app using the extra 1GB is relatively small. So, under the PAE model, you usually fall on the classic Win32 model: apps using franticly their 2GB (because they were not developed to take advantage of the extra giga), and OS kernel running in 1GB.
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Yes, it is, in the beginning the where lots of driver issues those are solved now. However, if you have a slow machine/less than 3 GB ram you might consider the 32 bit version of Vista because it’s faster on those kind of machines and maybe even remove the Vista Aero stuff. Vista got a lot to offer beside Aero, it really enhances my productivity, its faster to navigate around in the file system, I can run commands directly from the start menu, and it obviously is much safer than XP. I don't use Vista myself, instead I use Windows Server 2008 as a Workstation but I am running Vista at work and am very satisfied with it now. Now I am not saying that there want be a transitioning period for you, there will be, but I am sure it will be a short one and you will be very satisfied once you get to know Vista. Cons? Today? Hmm there aren't really any unless of course you don't have at least 2GB ram and a dual core CPU, but hey, who doesn’t have that today?
I am happy with my Vista laptop, just 2Gb /160GB HD / dual core. I have never seen my memory full working with Visual Studio or Office. You will require a least a month to tame it, but the benefits are big, as many members have exposed here. I noticed the drivers problems, every gadget I buy must be carefully checked for Vista compatiblity, but I think this is not a big issue. Buying Vista-compatible hardware is an indicator for me to have the lastest products. Of course I would never recommend to upgrade a system to Vista. I think every system must ran with the OS it was designed for. If you want Vista, sell your XP machine at ebay or a garage sale, and buy a new computer.
Best regards, Jaime.
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These limitations are due to the Win32 memory model. Win32 memory model was concepted in early 90's, when desktop machines were delivered with 4MB; at those times, 4 GibaByte was a really huge amount of memory. Microsoft decided to divide the addressable space (4GB) in two, 2GB, sections - one for the OS, the other for applications. Therefore, no Win32 application shall access more than its 2GB share of memory. Under this model, a machine running with 4GB is using intensively the 2GB share for apps and the first giga of the OS - the second is not used, in most desktops. Microsoft has noticed exactly this: the OS rarely uses completely its share of 2GB; so, they decided to support PAE (an hardware feature), to divide memory differently in 3GB for applications and 1GB for OS. However, few applications are prepared to PAE (mostly, server applications), so, the probability of having an app using the extra 1GB is relatively small. So, under the PAE model, you usually fall on the classic Win32 model: apps using franticly their 2GB (because they were not developed to take advantage of the extra giga), and OS kernel running in 1GB.
SevenCPA wrote:
So, under the PAE model, you usually fall on the classic Win32 model: apps using franticly their 2GB (because they were not developed to take advantage of the extra giga), and OS kernel running in 1GB.
That doesn't really make sense. You said there's 2GB for "applications", so even if any SINGLE application isn't "designed to use more than 2GB" you should still be able to use the extra gig by launching more apps. Also, SQL Server *is* designed to basically allocate as much memory as it can, or more precisely to cache as aggressively as possible, and it does take advantage of the extra memory. (I'm sure you already knew - you mentioned servers and all - but it might be of interest to many readers.) I'm curious though how exactly "most applications" would be designed in any way to deal with the 2GB memory limit. It seems to me this should be "a hidden implementation detail" of the OS and not something applications should be concerned with. I'd claim that application developers try to write reasonably efficient code making reasonable tradeoffs between time and space, but without any regard to a 2GB limit and indeed in most cases without even knowing about it's existence.
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These limitations are due to the Win32 memory model. Win32 memory model was concepted in early 90's, when desktop machines were delivered with 4MB; at those times, 4 GibaByte was a really huge amount of memory. Microsoft decided to divide the addressable space (4GB) in two, 2GB, sections - one for the OS, the other for applications. Therefore, no Win32 application shall access more than its 2GB share of memory. Under this model, a machine running with 4GB is using intensively the 2GB share for apps and the first giga of the OS - the second is not used, in most desktops. Microsoft has noticed exactly this: the OS rarely uses completely its share of 2GB; so, they decided to support PAE (an hardware feature), to divide memory differently in 3GB for applications and 1GB for OS. However, few applications are prepared to PAE (mostly, server applications), so, the probability of having an app using the extra 1GB is relatively small. So, under the PAE model, you usually fall on the classic Win32 model: apps using franticly their 2GB (because they were not developed to take advantage of the extra giga), and OS kernel running in 1GB.
"Microsoft has noticed exactly this: the OS rarely uses completely its share of 2GB; so, they decided to support PAE (an hardware feature), to divide memory differently in 3GB for applications and 1GB for OS." I think you meant the /3GB switch here. The /PAE switch gives the OS access to memory above 4GB (how much it actually can use depends on Windows version), but each application is still restricted to its 32-bit address space. An work-around for this 4GB (per application) limitation is to use the AWE API.
modified on Monday, August 4, 2008 5:47 AM
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These limitations are due to the Win32 memory model. Win32 memory model was concepted in early 90's, when desktop machines were delivered with 4MB; at those times, 4 GibaByte was a really huge amount of memory. Microsoft decided to divide the addressable space (4GB) in two, 2GB, sections - one for the OS, the other for applications. Therefore, no Win32 application shall access more than its 2GB share of memory. Under this model, a machine running with 4GB is using intensively the 2GB share for apps and the first giga of the OS - the second is not used, in most desktops. Microsoft has noticed exactly this: the OS rarely uses completely its share of 2GB; so, they decided to support PAE (an hardware feature), to divide memory differently in 3GB for applications and 1GB for OS. However, few applications are prepared to PAE (mostly, server applications), so, the probability of having an app using the extra 1GB is relatively small. So, under the PAE model, you usually fall on the classic Win32 model: apps using franticly their 2GB (because they were not developed to take advantage of the extra giga), and OS kernel running in 1GB.
The preceding post is not quite right. Windows divides the address space in two, not the use of physical RAM. What this means is that any one application can only use 2GB RAM, but if you are running more than one, they can each use 2GB so, for most people, all is well. There is a way of giving applications 3GB and the kernel only 1, but I don't recall how you do it or what the downside might be. I think it's mainly for people running SQL server, which like *lots* of (addressable!) RAM.
Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
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I am running Vista perfectly happily with just 2Gb of RAM.
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Haven't come across any app that run in XP but gives problems in Vista, with the exception of driver related issues.
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Any app that uses the audio system will likely behave in strange ways. Been there, got the T-shirt. And something I use regularly (but which senility prevents me from remembering right now) just crashes on startup. Nero Burning ROM I think, old-ish version.
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Hi there. I'm using WinXp SP2. I'd like to know , it's good to use Windows Vista now ? Why? What are your reasons ?
I don't use it in anger (I have it installed on a laptop and on one test machine), reason being that my tried and tested XP setup does everything I want and has all my favourite gadgets installed. Things I don't like are: - profligate resource usage - the fact that Microsoft are ramming it down our throats - from my perspective, it doesn't really do anything that XP doesn't do (or could be made to do), including (I gather) WPF XP is a much better alternative for older machines. We should be allowed to keep it. Also, Vista keeps crashing (in TCPIP.SYS) on my laptop. Have installed the relevant hotfix, no change.
Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
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harold aptroot wrote:
It definitely isn't faster than XP with 4GB ram
:sigh: Of course it's faster, try profiling it. I profiled all my most commonly used apps before I switched to Vista from XP on an identical computer, Vista can't help but be faster in many critical areas most noticeably running applications.
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Unless you're using 64 Bit it doesn't use more then 3Gb Ram - so anything over 3Gb is just a waste of cash (as far as Vista goes) "the maximum memory available in 32-bit versions of Windows Vista is typically 3.12 GB." from http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605[^]
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Hi there. I'm using WinXp SP2. I'd like to know , it's good to use Windows Vista now ? Why? What are your reasons ?
Hi I've been wondering where to post my opinion on Windows Vista. Here's my chance. I absolutely would not go back to XP. Yes it takes big gear to run it. But who still runs the 80286 at 20 Mhz? Don't bother replacing parts, get a Vista ready PC. The integrated search is in my opinion by far the coolest feature. Yes there are multiple earlier versions of this from multiple vendors but it's now OS integrated and it literally takes seconds to find "anything" in my 500 GB storage space. Search boxes are everywhere and they located where and when I need them. IIS 7 is truly awesome. I can't wait to try it on a high volume web site. Windows Aero: can't live without it. Windows Key + Tab is very handy to find those lost dialog windows that sometimes won't show up in our good old Alt-Tab interface. XP is now good for the recycling bins. If your interest is just e-mail, basic web, basic editing: any older OS can handle this just fine since the 1980s If you're interested is taking advantage of the latest gear, Vista can handle this just fine. Look ahead: who's gonna stick to XP in 2013 ? However you have to have decent reasons to upgrade. It makes me smile that the Best Buy point of sale software is completely character based. I respect that. If the newer software of any purpose is no good, just don't use it. That's how IT developers will more get the point that IT should much more easily be used by non IT people. Think about Surface Computing. Now that truly "rocks". Running Vista is not problem free. But look back: XP, 2K, Me, 98, 95, 3.1 were problem free? Not. Just skydive and do it. AlainBicycle!