I would not consider these two people spammers. Do you?
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well, let us look on the facts,
From the article:
"I don't think I'm breaking too many rules," McCauley said. "I'm never fearful of [repercussions from] anyone via e-mail. I don't think I'm much different than the television commercial or the ad that's in the newspaper.
Well, he admits he is breaking rules, but not too many, huh?
From the article:
"If it translates out to some minor law or some major law is broken, then fine. But I feel, in the grand scheme of things, I am doing a service to this city, this [customer] and myself," McCauley said.
well, can I spam people on the justification of public service?
From the article:
The e-mail was odd, though: It came from a domain owned by Spam Arrest, a Seattle-based antispam company that offers an e-mail verification service. "I am not a spammer, and it's very rare when I do a campaign outside my sphere of influence (local Realtors)," Manuri said. "Again, I'm simply attempting to make a sale."
huh? how about the spam kings? don't they claim they are making some money too? It smells spam to me Change quoted header to "From the article"
Yusuf
modified on Monday, August 4, 2008 1:45 PM
I am doing a service to this city, this [customer] and myself," McCauley said. How does one service oneself? Erm, never mind! :rolleyes: Marc
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Thinking about how many "viagra" emails blocked every minute, these two people tried to promote a sale by email with true contact information. http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/08/07/29/The_tale_of_two_busted_spammers_1.html[^]
TOMZ_KV
No, they are not real spammers, they are inexperienced spammers.
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I am doing a service to this city, this [customer] and myself," McCauley said. How does one service oneself? Erm, never mind! :rolleyes: Marc
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Thinking about how many "viagra" emails blocked every minute, these two people tried to promote a sale by email with true contact information. http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/08/07/29/The_tale_of_two_busted_spammers_1.html[^]
TOMZ_KV
Yes absolutely spammers because they didn't really make any serious effort to focus their emails on people who would actually be interested. A long long time ago our company used to directly email potential customers of our software. We did this by finding websites of companies in the sort of business that would be interested in our software, read their websites, found the name of the person most likely to be interested found out a bit about what they did and then made custom hand written emails to each of them. I didn't consider it spam at the time but I can see how some might. We never received a single complaint but we quit doing it as too much work and went with search engine related stuff exclusively shortly after that and it was much more rewarding for much less work. If someone contacted me and provided a good reason why I might be interested in what they have to sell and it was personalized and obviously hand-written I would not consider it spam either. Those two guys though are just barely making any effort at all and so their directed marketing is way off the mark and fully into spam territory.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
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No, they are not real spammers, they are inexperienced spammers.
My argument is this: 1. TV commercials interupt your program every 15 minutes. It never ask your permission. Why this is ok but not an email. Newspaper or magazines do similar things; 2. When you order something online, or sign up for some events, suddenly you receive an email confirmation without your permission. 3. Your friend may sometimes forward some interesting articles to you without your permission. thanks,
TOMZ_KV
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My argument is this: 1. TV commercials interupt your program every 15 minutes. It never ask your permission. Why this is ok but not an email. Newspaper or magazines do similar things; 2. When you order something online, or sign up for some events, suddenly you receive an email confirmation without your permission. 3. Your friend may sometimes forward some interesting articles to you without your permission. thanks,
TOMZ_KV
Tomz_KV wrote:
1. TV commercials interupt your program every 15 minutes. It never ask your permission. Why this is ok but not an email. Newspaper or magazines do similar things;
you are getting a service for free and in return you consent to get ad. You are absolute free not to watch TV or read magazine. In fact you could get pay-per-view or pay full amount for magazine or newspaper never get an ad.
Tomz_KV wrote:
2. When you order something online, or sign up for some events, suddenly you receive an email confirmation without your permission.
well, this is good thing. They are not trying to sell you, rather confirming your transaction.
Tomz_KV wrote:
Your friend may sometimes forward some interesting articles to you without your permission.
I have few of those annoying people who send me junk every now and then. But their message and content is completely different from the spammer. your friend just want to share with you, and the only reason they sent it in the first place is, because they know you and they think about you. Do the spammers know you or think about you?
Yusuf
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My argument is this: 1. TV commercials interupt your program every 15 minutes. It never ask your permission. Why this is ok but not an email. Newspaper or magazines do similar things; 2. When you order something online, or sign up for some events, suddenly you receive an email confirmation without your permission. 3. Your friend may sometimes forward some interesting articles to you without your permission. thanks,
TOMZ_KV
Counter-argument: 1. You opted to see the ads on TV, magazines, and newspapers by watching the TV program or reading the magazines or newspapers. You did not opt into receiving an email from a company you never heard of before. 2. If you voluntarily send a website your email address, you opted into receiving an email from them. Spammers pick up emails from people who never contacted them first. 3. You gave your friend the email address voluntarily, and your friend isn't trying to sell you anything. You didn't give your email address to spammers intentionally, and they are trying to sell you something.
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Thinking about how many "viagra" emails blocked every minute, these two people tried to promote a sale by email with true contact information. http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/08/07/29/The_tale_of_two_busted_spammers_1.html[^]
TOMZ_KV
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My argument is this: 1. TV commercials interupt your program every 15 minutes. It never ask your permission. Why this is ok but not an email. Newspaper or magazines do similar things; 2. When you order something online, or sign up for some events, suddenly you receive an email confirmation without your permission. 3. Your friend may sometimes forward some interesting articles to you without your permission. thanks,
TOMZ_KV
Tomz_KV wrote:
1. TV commercials interupt your program every 15 minutes. It never ask your permission. Why this is ok but not an email. Newspaper or magazines do similar things;
If you don't like it, you are free not to watch TV or buy magazines [and save your money], but if you receive [spam] mail from those two guys you don't have a choice not to receive it any more, it's already there, in your mailbox, wasting your space and bandwidth [for which you usually pay thus they're wasting your money, and to make case even worse one of them was sending large images in those mails].
Tomz_KV wrote:
2. When you order something online, or sign up for some events, suddenly you receive an email confirmation without your permission.
Usually you have to agree with "terms and conditions" when registering ant that usually means that you agree to receive such mails.
Tomz_KV wrote:
3. Your friend may sometimes forward some interesting articles to you without your permission.
a) you provided your e-mail address to your friend b) your friends don't ask for money from you when they send you a link to an article, if they do then you have some serious troubles. They occasionally send those stupid chain-letters, asking for money for some poor girls who needs help [Emmy and she is still 8 y/o as she was in 1998] but those mails should be considered as spam and those who send them as spammers. I've never received such mail from a close friend, but then again I carefully choose my friends ;)
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Well, I wouldn't want them to kill themselves and their family the way Eddie Davidson did, maybe just a little mutilation of the face and the loss of a couple of fingers. . .
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Thinking about how many "viagra" emails blocked every minute, these two people tried to promote a sale by email with true contact information. http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/08/07/29/The_tale_of_two_busted_spammers_1.html[^]
TOMZ_KV
If I didn't specifically invite these two people to email me with their special offers, I'd consider anything they send me Spam. And I'm going to personally execute whoever it is that is calling my cell phone warning me that my vehicle warrantee is about to expire, and offerring to sell me an extended warrantee. That call costs me money, as it is common to charge US customers for incoming calls. Unfortuntely the number displayed on the phone is always a phony number, so there's no way to bill the criminal that places the call. If it was simple spam I could trace it back to the sender, but I'm clueless when it comes to phones... :sigh:
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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If I didn't specifically invite these two people to email me with their special offers, I'd consider anything they send me Spam. And I'm going to personally execute whoever it is that is calling my cell phone warning me that my vehicle warrantee is about to expire, and offerring to sell me an extended warrantee. That call costs me money, as it is common to charge US customers for incoming calls. Unfortuntely the number displayed on the phone is always a phony number, so there's no way to bill the criminal that places the call. If it was simple spam I could trace it back to the sender, but I'm clueless when it comes to phones... :sigh:
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Answer them and start talking. IF you're planning on something costing 25 to life, a 40c/minute overage rate is still extremely cheap...
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