How much money can a programmer earn per month at your country and your city?
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
Is he a better programmer than you?
I doubt it.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
I doubt it.
I thought you would.
Steve
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。No-one is giving much of an answer, so I will. I'd say the average is about $4,000 a month here. But, I make more than twice that, so really, the average is just that, an average, with variations.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。Varies from project to project.
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。I'd say that right now, a C++ or C# developer with 5+ years experience makes $70,000-$90,000 a year on average in the US. (Mind you, the cost of living is higher. I pay very little for rent, but the average family in my area pays $900-$1800 a month in rent/house payment.)
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I'd say that right now, a C++ or C# developer with 5+ years experience makes $70,000-$90,000 a year on average in the US. (Mind you, the cost of living is higher. I pay very little for rent, but the average family in my area pays $900-$1800 a month in rent/house payment.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。About $1200/month. Flipping burgers at McDonald's. As a programmer you can look forward to living on the river (under a bush) stealing shopping carts from all the best markets, and hoping the wind will deliver a warmer, more spacious box to your campsite before winter.
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No-one is giving much of an answer, so I will. I'd say the average is about $4,000 a month here. But, I make more than twice that, so really, the average is just that, an average, with variations.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
IIRC you also work a lot more hours than average. That still the case? By "here" do you mean Tassie or Australia in general? I guess the average would vary by city - I'm curious though which Aus. city has the highest programmer average-salary to housing-cost ratio. Although cheaper housing may well come with other costs are higher all-round... The OP's question could be extended to "if you are a good programmer for this xyz technology, which world city are you better off in?".
"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。I live in the Seattle area. (NW USA) I know of less experienced developers in this area who earn about $70k USD. Most of the engineers I know are in a range around $100k - $150k. (These values are annual salary in USD.) Maybe that helps. But those values really need some context. I want to believe a house in Yantai China costs a bit less than one in my neck of the woods. So it’s all relative to some extent.
_If you continue to do the same things you always did,
don't be surprised if you get the same results you always got.
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
Is he a better programmer than you?
I doubt it.
Have you ever programmed yourself out of being an asshat?
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IIRC you also work a lot more hours than average. That still the case? By "here" do you mean Tassie or Australia in general? I guess the average would vary by city - I'm curious though which Aus. city has the highest programmer average-salary to housing-cost ratio. Although cheaper housing may well come with other costs are higher all-round... The OP's question could be extended to "if you are a good programmer for this xyz technology, which world city are you better off in?".
"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
I do, but I was only counting my 40 hour a week, day job. My estimate of an average is probably a little high for tassie, but a little low for the mainland. I've say that devs in Sydney probably make the most, or perhaps Melbourne. I'd expect Sydney devs to be the worst off, cost of housing there is obscene. But, Melb and Syd is where the vast majority of dev jobs are.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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El Corazon wrote:
he "can" earn as much as he is worth. Depends on the market. But theoretically there is not an upper limit.
This is a very good answer! At least it is a good answer for a software engineer in the US and probably many other places where we are free to work for anyone, in any country. But this might not be the case where the government exercises more control over what someone does for a living and/or who they can work for. At least half of my work is outside the US (Japan & Europe). I don't know enough about some parts of the world such as Yantai China, to know what is possible there. But I DO know that I do not change my rate based on location. Personally I have decided what my time is worth. If it is too high for a certain company or project, then they will not use me. I'm ok with that.
_If you continue to do the same things you always did,
don't be surprised if you get the same results you always got.
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Have you ever programmed yourself out of being an asshat?
“If we are all in agreement on the decision - then I propose we postpone further discussion of this matter until our next meeting to give ourselves time to develop disagreement and perhaps gain some understanding of what the decision is all about.”-Alfred P. Sloan
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guiqul163 wrote:
can earn
he "can" earn as much as he is worth. Depends on the market. But theoretically there is not an upper limit.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
El Corazon wrote:
But theoretically there is not an upper limit.
Perhaps, but practically I'd say there is.
Steve
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。In the country I'm living in it the average is almost between $1600 to $1800 for who has BS degree. but for really good programmers with high degree certificates they get a lot more then that at least $3500. I get $1200 because I was kicked out from the university and they gave me associated diploma (I always do bad in exams) but programming is my second name. hope helps
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。I'd say 90% earn between 500$ and 1500$ per month. There are exceptions at both ends, of course.
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Have you ever programmed yourself out of being an asshat?
“If we are all in agreement on the decision - then I propose we postpone further discussion of this matter until our next meeting to give ourselves time to develop disagreement and perhaps gain some understanding of what the decision is all about.”-Alfred P. Sloan
Jerry Hammond wrote:
Have you ever programmed yourself out of being an asshat?
Quite quote worthy... My hat's off to you sir.
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El Corazon wrote:
he "can" earn as much as he is worth. Depends on the market. But theoretically there is not an upper limit.
This is a very good answer! At least it is a good answer for a software engineer in the US and probably many other places where we are free to work for anyone, in any country. But this might not be the case where the government exercises more control over what someone does for a living and/or who they can work for. At least half of my work is outside the US (Japan & Europe). I don't know enough about some parts of the world such as Yantai China, to know what is possible there. But I DO know that I do not change my rate based on location. Personally I have decided what my time is worth. If it is too high for a certain company or project, then they will not use me. I'm ok with that.
_If you continue to do the same things you always did,
don't be surprised if you get the same results you always got.
_Watching the U.S. news from here in Canada I'm starting to get the impression that U.S. citizens have a pretty skewed idea of what China is really like compared to the rest of the world. There is rampant capitalism and has been for a *long* time now but the impression you get watching CNN or other U.S. news netowrks is that it's a communist police state where everyone lives in fear for their lives and can't take a piss without government approval. In another time it would be called propaganda, now I just think it's down to selling advertising and catering to what people already believe rather than actually reporting news in the pure sense of the word. Everything I've seen on non U.S. sources seems to indicate quite a different story entirely. Just saying in general, not saying you personally have any particular point of view, it's just that your post reminded me of this and I'd been thinking about it for a while.
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I do, but I was only counting my 40 hour a week, day job. My estimate of an average is probably a little high for tassie, but a little low for the mainland. I've say that devs in Sydney probably make the most, or perhaps Melbourne. I'd expect Sydney devs to be the worst off, cost of housing there is obscene. But, Melb and Syd is where the vast majority of dev jobs are.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
I've say that devs in Sydney probably make the most
In Brisbane (S.E. Queensland really), a minimally competent (with 3-5+ years experience) C++ programmer can expect at least $50k/annum. Depending on talent and additional experience, it goes up from there. Haven't followed Sydney/Melbourne for a while but historically, Sydney has shown $10-20k/annum & Melbourne $5-10k/annum over Brisbane rates. Adelaide has been roughly on par (despite the population difference) & Perth slightly higher (due mostly to the resources boom). Outside major metropolitan cities, expect much less. The difficulty of course is actually finding a job to suit your skills. Here in Aus, outside Sydney (& to a lesser degree Melbourne) C++ is widely considered a specialty these days, with more C++ work in embedded systems for hardware engineers than for software engineers (though Brisbane does have a couple of thriving game development companies). Java is typically for the enterprise, so again, limited prospects outside Sydney/Melbourne. C# & VB positions are readily available but there's a huge variance in salaries for them (boss thinks any old drop-kick can push out a .net application in no time/boss thinks knows it takes 10 years experience [in .net :laugh: ] to make a good programmer).
T-Mac-Oz
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I live in the Seattle area. (NW USA) I know of less experienced developers in this area who earn about $70k USD. Most of the engineers I know are in a range around $100k - $150k. (These values are annual salary in USD.) Maybe that helps. But those values really need some context. I want to believe a house in Yantai China costs a bit less than one in my neck of the woods. So it’s all relative to some extent.
_If you continue to do the same things you always did,
don't be surprised if you get the same results you always got.
_I was curious and checked, a 2 bedroom apartment is renting in Yantai for between USD$6,560.00 and USD$10,933.00 a month. Some of those areas of China where there is rampant capitalism are through the roof. I was watching a documentary and some of the mansions in those areas for the owners of the companies and upper management are off the hook and would be the nice place on any street in Beverly Hills.
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