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    Today its National Geographic spouting crap: Wind turbines can kill bats without touching them by causing a bends-like condition due to rapidly dropping air pressure, new research suggests. [^] So, aparently bats like turbines and nothing more than flying into them (I am sure Darwinism will cure them of this handicap eventually)! But heres the bull: an air-embolism (expansion of air in the lung causing it to burst) is NOT the bends. The bends is somehting quite different (the coming out of solution of nitrogen in the blood causing bubbles due to pressure being reduced too quickly. Said bubbles then accumulate at the joints causing pain which can be relieved by bending the joint, hence the name). So here you have a 'scientific' journal opining on issues the basic science of which it doesnt know! [Modified] Erin Baerwald, the Canadian, therefore English speaking, so no translation problems, 'scientist' also likened the bats condition wrongly to the bends thus displaying his ignorance of fact.

    Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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    fat_boy wrote:

    So here you have a 'scientific' journal opining on issues the basic science of which it doesnt know!

    National Geographic is hardly a scientific journal. It's popular science - stuff rewritten so that the average layman can understand. The research reports are most likely very accurate. Things got lost or modified in the "translation".

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      Today its National Geographic spouting crap: Wind turbines can kill bats without touching them by causing a bends-like condition due to rapidly dropping air pressure, new research suggests. [^] So, aparently bats like turbines and nothing more than flying into them (I am sure Darwinism will cure them of this handicap eventually)! But heres the bull: an air-embolism (expansion of air in the lung causing it to burst) is NOT the bends. The bends is somehting quite different (the coming out of solution of nitrogen in the blood causing bubbles due to pressure being reduced too quickly. Said bubbles then accumulate at the joints causing pain which can be relieved by bending the joint, hence the name). So here you have a 'scientific' journal opining on issues the basic science of which it doesnt know! [Modified] Erin Baerwald, the Canadian, therefore English speaking, so no translation problems, 'scientist' also likened the bats condition wrongly to the bends thus displaying his ignorance of fact.

      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

      modified on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:33 AM

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      Damn, can't be hurting those bats, guess well just have to go back to burning coal and oil... (BTW, I wouldn't call national Geographic a "Scientific Journal" - it's not peer reviewed, and is more of a coffee table decoration than a serious publication)

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        Damn, can't be hurting those bats, guess well just have to go back to burning coal and oil... (BTW, I wouldn't call national Geographic a "Scientific Journal" - it's not peer reviewed, and is more of a coffee table decoration than a serious publication)

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        Jorgen Sigvardsson
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        Rob Graham wrote:

        Damn, can't be hurting those bats, guess well just have to go back to burning coal and oil...

        Why not? According to the SB-local expert, the more carbon dioxide, the better it is! I'm gonna go home and burn some tires after work.

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          Rob Graham wrote:

          Damn, can't be hurting those bats, guess well just have to go back to burning coal and oil...

          Why not? According to the SB-local expert, the more carbon dioxide, the better it is! I'm gonna go home and burn some tires after work.

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          Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

          I'm gonna go home and burn some tires after work.

          Burn 'em in the living room. Your houseplants will appreciate the extra CO2

          Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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          • L Lost User

            Today its National Geographic spouting crap: Wind turbines can kill bats without touching them by causing a bends-like condition due to rapidly dropping air pressure, new research suggests. [^] So, aparently bats like turbines and nothing more than flying into them (I am sure Darwinism will cure them of this handicap eventually)! But heres the bull: an air-embolism (expansion of air in the lung causing it to burst) is NOT the bends. The bends is somehting quite different (the coming out of solution of nitrogen in the blood causing bubbles due to pressure being reduced too quickly. Said bubbles then accumulate at the joints causing pain which can be relieved by bending the joint, hence the name). So here you have a 'scientific' journal opining on issues the basic science of which it doesnt know! [Modified] Erin Baerwald, the Canadian, therefore English speaking, so no translation problems, 'scientist' also likened the bats condition wrongly to the bends thus displaying his ignorance of fact.

            Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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            Isn't that a good reason to keep building wind turbines? Produce more clean energy and save some poor village in South Africa from starvation at the same time

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              Isn't that a good reason to keep building wind turbines? Produce more clean energy and save some poor village in South Africa from starvation at the same time

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              Why should wind turbines stop an African Village from starving?

              Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                Rob Graham wrote:

                Damn, can't be hurting those bats, guess well just have to go back to burning coal and oil...

                Why not? According to the SB-local expert, the more carbon dioxide, the better it is! I'm gonna go home and burn some tires after work.

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                Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

                Why not? According to the SB-local expert, the more carbon dioxide, the better it is!

                You know that the recomended level of CO2 for maximum crop production in greenhouses is 5000 ppm?

                Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                • L Lost User

                  Why should wind turbines stop an African Village from starving?

                  Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                  0x3c0
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                  Because if they kill bats as claimed by the original source, then an African village can eat the bats

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                    Because if they kill bats as claimed by the original source, then an African village can eat the bats

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                    Might work. We would have to destroy out bat population to have any impact though.

                    Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                    • L Lost User

                      Today its National Geographic spouting crap: Wind turbines can kill bats without touching them by causing a bends-like condition due to rapidly dropping air pressure, new research suggests. [^] So, aparently bats like turbines and nothing more than flying into them (I am sure Darwinism will cure them of this handicap eventually)! But heres the bull: an air-embolism (expansion of air in the lung causing it to burst) is NOT the bends. The bends is somehting quite different (the coming out of solution of nitrogen in the blood causing bubbles due to pressure being reduced too quickly. Said bubbles then accumulate at the joints causing pain which can be relieved by bending the joint, hence the name). So here you have a 'scientific' journal opining on issues the basic science of which it doesnt know! [Modified] Erin Baerwald, the Canadian, therefore English speaking, so no translation problems, 'scientist' also likened the bats condition wrongly to the bends thus displaying his ignorance of fact.

                      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

                      modified on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:33 AM

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                      In moderate defense the full study[^](the abstract is here[^]if the password protection works) has no mention of the bends. The National Geographic article can be found here.[^]

                      this thing looks like it was written by an epileptic ferret Dave Kreskowiak

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                      • J Jim Warburton

                        In moderate defense the full study[^](the abstract is here[^]if the password protection works) has no mention of the bends. The National Geographic article can be found here.[^]

                        this thing looks like it was written by an epileptic ferret Dave Kreskowiak

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                        Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                        That's what I thought. Popular science magazines ALWAYS rephrase stuff like that into something that almost everybody knows and can in some way relate to. The average Joe is lost completely if you give him an unedited scientific report.

                        -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                        • J Jim Warburton

                          In moderate defense the full study[^](the abstract is here[^]if the password protection works) has no mention of the bends. The National Geographic article can be found here.[^]

                          this thing looks like it was written by an epileptic ferret Dave Kreskowiak

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                          jimwawar wrote:

                          In moderate defense the full study[^](the abstract is here[^]if the password protection works) has no mention of the bends.

                          It is also possible to write a pop science article on the subject without talking about the bends. Apparently National Geographic just doesn't care about accuracy.

                          Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                          • L Lost User

                            Today its National Geographic spouting crap: Wind turbines can kill bats without touching them by causing a bends-like condition due to rapidly dropping air pressure, new research suggests. [^] So, aparently bats like turbines and nothing more than flying into them (I am sure Darwinism will cure them of this handicap eventually)! But heres the bull: an air-embolism (expansion of air in the lung causing it to burst) is NOT the bends. The bends is somehting quite different (the coming out of solution of nitrogen in the blood causing bubbles due to pressure being reduced too quickly. Said bubbles then accumulate at the joints causing pain which can be relieved by bending the joint, hence the name). So here you have a 'scientific' journal opining on issues the basic science of which it doesnt know! [Modified] Erin Baerwald, the Canadian, therefore English speaking, so no translation problems, 'scientist' also likened the bats condition wrongly to the bends thus displaying his ignorance of fact.

                            Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

                            modified on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:33 AM

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                            The article doesn't say it was the bends. It says "bends-like" which is accurate. Decompression illness[^] Cheers, Drew.

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