Quitting Caffeine and other Healthy Moves...
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
Same here. I wear New Balance 1123's, one of their motion control shoes. I overpronate a lot, but the shoes and my orthotics compensate pretty well.
FWIW mine are cross trainers - WX791SR.
Gary Wheeler wrote:
Hmm. It's been a while since I've been swimming, so I'll have to try it. When I took lessons, I do remember that I could do a 'dead man float'.
That's a good sign. If you can do that, the chances are you can do crawl - once your posture is right.
Gary Wheeler wrote:
I remember the swimming instructor commenting that I tried to keep my head up too much. Part of my problem is my vision. I wear glasses, so my vision in the pool is extremely poor. I may try the lessons again if I can ever put the money together for LASIK. I think I might do better if I'm not constantly worrying about where I'm at in the pool.
That could be it. When you lift your head, your legs will tend to go down - adding to drag, and making the whole thing that much harder. That's exactly the problem I used to have, BTW. I now relax a lot more into the water, and even glide along without using my legs at all. I simply couldn't do that before - I had to work like mad just to stay afloat. Funny how some things just click sometimes. My breathing still is a problem though - if it wasn't for that I'd just stick my head down into the water and do like the clappers for the other side! :rolleyes: I'm actually considering LASIK surgery myself - I'm short-sighted, and it's beginning to become an irritation (especially in my left eye, which is far worse).
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
I tried running, but the dog got sick of catching me. *rim shot* Actually I did try running, but I injured my ankle after about 15 minutes. Now I limp for 30 minutes a day.
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code-frog wrote:
Shog you are banned from this thread. I already know your reply and I'm pretty sure it's something like "I actually walk to the fridge to get my beer now instead of making my wife do it."
Actually, i was going to claim that i switched to menthols... :-\ (but i didn't care for the way the flavor combined with bourbon)
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
I've spent some time looking into this. Here's what seems to really work. 1. Lose weight. a) It slashes your risk of heart disease, stroke, diabetes, and cancer. The first three of these tend to occur together and are called "Metabolic Syndrome". b) Google "BMI" to find your ideal weight range. c) Eat a tiny breakfast. It prevents your body from going into "starvation mode", where it conserves fat. 2. Walk at least a half hour 5-6 times a week. a) It helps to lose weight. b) It strengthens your cardiovascular system, protecting against heart disease and stroke. c) It improves your mood. d) It extends your mobility in old age. 3. Get at least 7 hours of sleep a night. Getting less makes it hard to lose weight and causes other problems. 4. Take at least a multivitamin. a) Men: Avoid all iron supplements. b) You need extra vitamins C and E for the antioxidant effect. You need extra vitamin D (the 400 IU RDA is a fraction of what you really need). People who live in northern latitudes or who don't get much sun on their skin need more. I take 500 mg C, 400 IU E, and 1000 IU D, twice a day. One of the E doses should have the gamma isomer. c) Take magnesium tablets. 5. Eat the right fats a) Avoid: coconut oil, palm oil, palm kernel oil, and all hydrogenated oils; they're "artery glue". b) Eat monounsaturated fats: nuts and nut oils, avocados, olive oil in moderation. c) Eat fish a few times a week or take fish oil capsules. It SIGNIFICANTLY slashes your risk of sudden death from heart arrhythmia. 6. Eat at least five fruits and vegetables a day, including green leafy vegetables. 7. Brush your teeth and floss regularly. If you don't floss, stuff gets under your gums, causes inflammation and gum recession, provides an entry for bacteria into your body, and shortens your life. 8. Drink alcohol in moderation: 1 drink a day for women, and 1-2 for men. More or less than this is non-optimal. 9. Take a baby aspirin each day. It reduces inflammation (which causes numerous health problems), reduces cancer EVERY place it touches through your system, and inhibits glycation (a major cause of aging). 10. Take anti-aging drugs: Centrophenoxine (increases lifespan 30% and improves brain function), aminoguanidine (inhibits glycation), resveratrol (slows aging by modifying gene expression, and is in red wine), deprenyl (slows brain aging, but only take TINY doses; the half-life is 40 days in the brain).
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
The great part is there is no scientific evidence that any of these things cause increased health problems. Ironically, they do cause increase health expenditures because the overweight and "clinically obese" live the longest.
I am not sure where you get your scientific evidence from, but it has been proven many times that the way to live longest is to eat less.
M Towler wrote:
but it has been proven many times that the way to live longest is to eat less.
No, it hasn't. This notion came from rat and mouse studies, which found that these rodents live longer if they consume half the calories as normal. Human studies failed to duplicate this, they've found the opposite-underweight people have far more health problems than the overweight. Humans who consume half the calories as normal suffer from malnutrition (a very eye opening study of which was performed during WWII in the US using volunteers; liberating concentration camps supported these findings.) Bottom line is that rats aren't human and very likely evolved to survive on low calorie diets.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
The great part is there is no scientific evidence that any of these things cause increased health problems. Ironically, they do cause increase health expenditures because the overweight and "clinically obese" live the longest.
I am not sure where you get your scientific evidence from, but it has been proven many times that the way to live longest is to eat less.
M Towler wrote:
I am not sure where you get your scientific evidence from, but it has been proven many times that the way to live longest is to eat less.
Thats what I had always heard too
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M Towler wrote:
but it has been proven many times that the way to live longest is to eat less.
No, it hasn't. This notion came from rat and mouse studies, which found that these rodents live longer if they consume half the calories as normal. Human studies failed to duplicate this, they've found the opposite-underweight people have far more health problems than the overweight. Humans who consume half the calories as normal suffer from malnutrition (a very eye opening study of which was performed during WWII in the US using volunteers; liberating concentration camps supported these findings.) Bottom line is that rats aren't human and very likely evolved to survive on low calorie diets.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
I think you are extrapolating beyond your data. Your evidence shows that malnutrition is worse for you than being ideal weight or overweight, this seems reasonable. You cannot then extrapolate this to mean that overweight people are more healthy than ideal weight people. What I am saying is that it has also been shown that people at ideal weight or slightly underweight have been shown many times to be more healthy than the overweight. The studies that show this are in human populations not rodents. There is a huge gulf between underweight and malnutrition.
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I tried running, but the dog got sick of catching me. *rim shot* Actually I did try running, but I injured my ankle after about 15 minutes. Now I limp for 30 minutes a day.
Obviously you didn't run fast enough! ;P
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
The great part is there is no scientific evidence that any of these things cause increased health problems. Ironically, they do cause increase health expenditures because the overweight and "clinically obese" live the longest.
I am not sure where you get your scientific evidence from, but it has been proven many times that the way to live longest is to eat less.
Therefore, stop eating and live forever.
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I think you are extrapolating beyond your data. Your evidence shows that malnutrition is worse for you than being ideal weight or overweight, this seems reasonable. You cannot then extrapolate this to mean that overweight people are more healthy than ideal weight people. What I am saying is that it has also been shown that people at ideal weight or slightly underweight have been shown many times to be more healthy than the overweight. The studies that show this are in human populations not rodents. There is a huge gulf between underweight and malnutrition.
This isn't extrapolation; it's from studies that examined the health of people according to various weights. They consistently show that being underweight causes earlier death and more health problems than being overweight. They also show that the "clinically obese" are quite healthy and recover from illness faster--by comparison the underweight die at significantly higher rates as the result of illness (such as heart attacks, for which there is zero correlation being being overweight.) In fact, no study has found what you claim. None. It's called the obesity paradox and it drives nutritional scientists nuts.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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This isn't extrapolation; it's from studies that examined the health of people according to various weights. They consistently show that being underweight causes earlier death and more health problems than being overweight. They also show that the "clinically obese" are quite healthy and recover from illness faster--by comparison the underweight die at significantly higher rates as the result of illness (such as heart attacks, for which there is zero correlation being being overweight.) In fact, no study has found what you claim. None. It's called the obesity paradox and it drives nutritional scientists nuts.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Okay, ten seconds of googling finds lots of evidence for the obesity paradox, like that I have linked below. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070108145742.htm[Obesity Paradox] The key message is in the title e.g. "'Obesity Paradox' Evidence: Obese Patients Fare Better Than Lean Patients When Hospitalized For Acute Heart Failure". The article goes on to say "Obesity is a known risk factor for developing heart disease and heart failure and every effort should be made to avoid it, but once heart failure has manifested, this paradox seems to occur." So what this evidence is saying is that although thin people have a lower risk of heart attack, when they do have one they are more likely to die from it than fat people. What this is absolutely not saying is that fat people live longer in general, which is what you appear to be trying to make it say. Indeed the quote "Obesity is a known risk factor for developing heart disease and heart failure" directly contradicts your assertion that "heart attacks, for which there is zero correlation [with] being overweight".
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Obviously you didn't run fast enough! ;P
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
modified on Friday, August 29, 2008 10:55 AM
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Obviously you didn't run fast enough! Poke tongue
Well, I would have tried them fancy Olympic clothes they use to run faster, but they don't make them in 3XL...
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Obviously you didn't run fast enough! Poke tongue
Well, I would have tried them fancy Olympic clothes they use to run faster, but they don't make them in 3XL...
For most people I suspect they won't make much of a difference. An ordinary breathable top and shorts will do really...the important bit is the shoes. Of course, what really helps is an incentive - like knowing your mate has a pint waiting for you at the pub at the end of the run... ;)
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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So what are other people doing to get healthier? I noticed in Alabama (I think.) that if you are clinically obese you have to pay 50% of your insurance premium and are eligible for fines if you don't change your ways and start losing weight. So you can do it by force or on your own but if you are doing it then what exactly have you done. John Simmons dropped soda pop and his weight came down like a crashing plane. I'm not so lucky. I have to sweat it off or I don't get any change. The rest of you??? Shog you are banned from this thread. I already know your reply and I'm pretty sure it's something like "I actually walk to the fridge to get my beer now instead of making my wife do it." :laugh:
Well, I almost got kicked out of my old car pool for answering just that question honestly, but here goes again: 1) Every day after work, I drink 2 beers and take a nap so I don't lose any more weight. 2) I usually walk to the end of the block and watch my wife jog for an hour, unless it's hot or cold or raining. Seeing her sweat is stimulating and enough incentive to keep me from actually running when not in any eminent danger. 3) I switched from drinking 2 pots of regular coffee every day to drinking 2 pots of an Indonesian blend. That keeps me awake better until it's time for the 2 beers and the nap. 4) After I had a cholesterol check and went on the resulting diet for 6 months, my cholesterol was higher. Solution: I stopped getting cholesterol checks and worry much less. Less stress => easier to take the nap. Works for me ...
The PetroNerd
Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Okay, ten seconds of googling finds lots of evidence for the obesity paradox, like that I have linked below. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070108145742.htm[Obesity Paradox] The key message is in the title e.g. "'Obesity Paradox' Evidence: Obese Patients Fare Better Than Lean Patients When Hospitalized For Acute Heart Failure". The article goes on to say "Obesity is a known risk factor for developing heart disease and heart failure and every effort should be made to avoid it, but once heart failure has manifested, this paradox seems to occur." So what this evidence is saying is that although thin people have a lower risk of heart attack, when they do have one they are more likely to die from it than fat people. What this is absolutely not saying is that fat people live longer in general, which is what you appear to be trying to make it say. Indeed the quote "Obesity is a known risk factor for developing heart disease and heart failure" directly contradicts your assertion that "heart attacks, for which there is zero correlation [with] being overweight".
Thin people do NOT have a lower risk of heart attack. Risk of heart attack crosses weight classes. Except for the truly undernourished, the only predictive indicator of heart disease is high blood pressure and that turns out not be weight related either.
M Towler wrote:
"Obesity is a known risk factor for developing heart disease and heart failure"
Most studies have not found this to be true at all. This is a throw away line given by the author of the study article [note that the scientists didn't make this statement because they know they cant'] with no actual scientific evidence to support it and plenty that completely disproves it. Unfortunately, this is all too common in many of these studies--they find no correlation, but the study authors spin the press release to suggest that a statistically significant correlation has been found.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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The great part is there is no scientific evidence that any of these things cause increased health problems. Ironically, they do cause increase health expenditures because the overweight and "clinically obese" live the longest. (The only reliable indicator of actual heart disease is high blood pressure. High cholesterol indicates nothing. Interestingly, there is evidence that drastically lowering your cholesterol increases heart attacks.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
I notice that you've had a fun time trying to convince anyone of this. The problem is, the notion that thin=healthy is so ingrained in our culture that even otherwise intelligent people accept it as an axiom despite all evidence to the contrary (and I agree with you, there is plenty). The same goes for stuff like veganism: people can make themselves awfully sick in their quest to become healthier. And BMI is a joke: it was developed for something completely unrelated, and then kind of osmosed into "health" stuff by the diet industry. Perhaps you should consider pointing people to the episode of Penn & Teller's BS that deals with the obesity epidemic. Their completely non-scientific test of the importance of weight is a hoot, and the actual science they quote is generally pretty good, too (though my memory of that is overshadowed by the fun stuff, in this particular case).
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So what are other people doing to get healthier? I noticed in Alabama (I think.) that if you are clinically obese you have to pay 50% of your insurance premium and are eligible for fines if you don't change your ways and start losing weight. So you can do it by force or on your own but if you are doing it then what exactly have you done. John Simmons dropped soda pop and his weight came down like a crashing plane. I'm not so lucky. I have to sweat it off or I don't get any change. The rest of you??? Shog you are banned from this thread. I already know your reply and I'm pretty sure it's something like "I actually walk to the fridge to get my beer now instead of making my wife do it." :laugh:
Interesting... I'll just chime in with my own efforts to get more healthy and lose weight. I'm 35 years old, 5'10" and weigh about 195 pounds right now. 2 years ago a weight as much as 220. In college I was super healthy and weighed about 170 and used to run all the time. Now I'm in my mid 30's with a family and frustrated that I've slowly let myself get to this point. Here's what I've (slowly) been doing to get more healthy and lose weight: 1) About 3 years ago I quit sodas cold turkey. I'm absolutely amazed I was able to do this because I used to around 4 sodas a day. I drink mostly water now with an occasional juice. I would say this mostly helped with my sleep. It just made me feel better and have more energy throughout the day. I used to drink diet coke, so i didn't see any significant weight loss. 2) I started becoming more active (again). I made a new years resolution to run 2 days a week about 2 years ago. When I started I couldn't run more than a half mile without stopping. I now run 2, 3 or 4 miles (depending on my mood) with ease. I've been timing myself and keep a log of my times to watch my improvement. Remarkably, I really didn't lose much weight doing this. I lost a little weight though. 3) My wife cooks pretty healthy all the time, so I'm pretty lucky here. We rarely eat out and I eat lots of vegetables. About a year ago I've made a conscious effort to eat 1 bowl of cereal (instead of 2) every morning. I also went on weight watchers in January of this year and I went from 215 to 205 pretty quickly. I sort of gave up on weight watchers after a few months but haven't gained any weight back. 4) I've even been going to the gym about 3 days a week for about 6 months now. I've noticed a big difference in my strength but my weight hasn't changed. I do think I've lost some fat though and it's been replaced with muscle. Not sure if that counts ;) 5) About a month ago, I came to the realization that I eat healthy and am very active. I even play basketball once a week. My remaining problem is the volume of food that I eat. I decided to just consciously eat less (aka another diet) and now I'm down to 195 and am to the point now where people I haven't seen in a while make comments which is nice. So after all this, the most difficult thing is the volume of food that we all eat. They say something like 2000 calories is average, so eating less at first feels like you're starving yourself. But your body adjusts (as it does to many things). So I've still got to lose about 20 pounds (accord
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So what are other people doing to get healthier? I noticed in Alabama (I think.) that if you are clinically obese you have to pay 50% of your insurance premium and are eligible for fines if you don't change your ways and start losing weight. So you can do it by force or on your own but if you are doing it then what exactly have you done. John Simmons dropped soda pop and his weight came down like a crashing plane. I'm not so lucky. I have to sweat it off or I don't get any change. The rest of you??? Shog you are banned from this thread. I already know your reply and I'm pretty sure it's something like "I actually walk to the fridge to get my beer now instead of making my wife do it." :laugh:
code-frog wrote:
if you are clinically obese you have to pay 50% of your insurance premium
The Google Query (( CBS SCIENCE SLEEP )) is enough to get you to the excellent CBS video. One take-home message is that sleep-deprivation interferes with the Leptin-signaling-mechanism which your body uses to indicate "I have had enough to eat". So merely getting more sleep can help your natural thin-o-stat !
pg--az
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Christian Graus wrote:
I saw my shadow in the shower yesterday. I am a fat boy.
Man, you're a funny person. You had to find it from your shadow that you are fat? You never look into the mirror? :-D Trust me, you will fold all your exercising equipments and put it back in a corner in four days flat. The best way to beat this would be to join a sports club , play something like tennis, badminton, basketball, etc., with regular and active members. You'll lose weight and get back on shape for sure. An hour a day must be enough for this. I remember it from an earlier post of you that you do swim occasionally. Actually, swimming is another pretty good way to lose weight too, if that interests you. :)
Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]
I work out at home every single day, seven days a week. I've got an elliptical trainer and a full set of dumbbells up to 80 pounds. I've got a pretty spiffy collapsible weight bench and I use the stairs plus hand-weights for my leg-work. It can be done at home very well and more effectively than in a gym. The trick is just keeping it up for 30 days. After that the habit is formed, the mind is shaped and resolve is firm. I love working out at home and to me the biggest thing is my kids see their formerly fat dad working out every single day so they intuitively understand that physical fitness is a lifestyle and they just think everyone does it.
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I've learned from repeated mistakes and am doing it slowly. At the moment that is a 15-20 minute walk (not strenuous) at lunchtimes and a few evenings a week a reasonably brisk walk. In 2-3 more weeks I'll increase it a bit. If you spring loaded the fridge door it would buildl one of Shog's biceps :laugh:
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Very cool! I admire you for pacing yourself in a common sense way. That's how I started. Now I can go for more than an hour at a fast run and not feel it but at first a fast walk nearly did me in... but that was 4 years ago. :-O
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code-frog wrote:
So what are other people doing to get healthier?
Believe it or not, Beth has got me into running. Nothing too complex, really - we started by just going round the block (half a mile if that), and now I'm up to about 2 miles solid,* and actually starting to enjoy it. :-D * That's a big thing for me, as all of the sports I've done to date (badminton, squash, 5 a side etc.) have been burst sports rather than endurance sports. I was never able to run before... We're looking for a 5k fun run to have a go at together in the near future, but I'm pretty sure that before too long Beth is going to start training for triathlon (it's in the blood - her Dad is a triathlete[^]). Either way, she's way ahead of me already - her idea of fun is a 6 mile combined run/swim (the leisure centre is just over 3 miles away...). :rolleyes:
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
Totally AWESOME!!!:rose:
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Well, I almost got kicked out of my old car pool for answering just that question honestly, but here goes again: 1) Every day after work, I drink 2 beers and take a nap so I don't lose any more weight. 2) I usually walk to the end of the block and watch my wife jog for an hour, unless it's hot or cold or raining. Seeing her sweat is stimulating and enough incentive to keep me from actually running when not in any eminent danger. 3) I switched from drinking 2 pots of regular coffee every day to drinking 2 pots of an Indonesian blend. That keeps me awake better until it's time for the 2 beers and the nap. 4) After I had a cholesterol check and went on the resulting diet for 6 months, my cholesterol was higher. Solution: I stopped getting cholesterol checks and worry much less. Less stress => easier to take the nap. Works for me ...
The PetroNerd
Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
Well at least you have the courage to be honest with yourself and others. That's about all you've got :laugh: but that puts you way ahead of others. ;P