Democrats Release Sarah Palin's Social Security Number
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
She (my opinion) is crucial, her nomination has pulled conservatives back into the fold. My sense up to the point of her selection is that hard core conservatives were going to sit this one out. While it doesn't show in polling numbers it is very evident in the level of donations. McCain had a one, maybe two day total of $4M - a record for McCain. Her speech tonight is as important to McCain as was the entire Democratic convention for Barack. She doesn't have to soar, just not crash. As an aside, my opinion again, is that the media hammering of Palin and family is going to hurt and not help Barack. It'll be an interesting evening.
I very much doubt that she'll crash in her speech. I read somewhere that one of McCain's staffers is writing it. I think what will matter is how she copes when she has to face media interviews --- plus whether the media can dig up anything else on her. My opinion is that McCain can't win without successfully re-igniting concerns about Obama's background as a dominant campaign issue. If the election is decided on the issues (health care, Iraq, the economy, abortion...) and not decided by fear of Obama's ideology/associations, then Obama wins --- even with a motivated conservative base. The African American turnout is going to smash all previous records.
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John Carson wrote:
not decided by fear of Obama's ideology/associations
How else do we judge him? He has no record of accomplishments; his speeches are full of beautifully phrased, meaningless, noises. His position papers are, like McCain's, meaningless since they can and will be forgotten the day after the election. What he apparently believes in, and who he is comfortable being around. are all that's left. I am comfortable judging both inexperienced candidates in this way and both experienced candidates on their record.
John Carson wrote:
The African American turnout is going to smash all previous records.
Doesn't matter. Only a couple of states with large black populations are in play. All the blacks in New York and California may add to the raw vote totals for Obama, but will not provide him with one more electoral vote.
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Oakman wrote:
I can't decide if they are terrified of her or just trying to upstage the Republican Convention
All of the above. I can't imagine ayone familiar with Chicago Machine politics believing that Obama is anything other than another slick politician. With the Internet, its too easy to put out information via some "anonymous source" and then later disavow it. What amazes me is that people aren't apalled at the fact that the Libs support a womans right to choose as long as its an abortion, and they are equal as long as they are liberal feminists. The media and Obama's campaign are just showing their true colors.
Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote:
Oakman wrote: I can't decide if they are terrified of her or just trying to upstage the Republican Convention All of the above.
Neither of the above. The Dem's aren't terrified of Palin. She's a cypher. Selected because of her gender and her family values ideology. And while it's perfectly reasonable for the Dem's to generate news that will distract from the R's convention(just as McCain timed his vp choice announcement to distract from the Democratic convention), the news stories about Palin are standard fare. The press did with Palin exactly what it always does with public figures.
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John Carson wrote:
not decided by fear of Obama's ideology/associations
How else do we judge him? He has no record of accomplishments; his speeches are full of beautifully phrased, meaningless, noises. His position papers are, like McCain's, meaningless since they can and will be forgotten the day after the election. What he apparently believes in, and who he is comfortable being around. are all that's left. I am comfortable judging both inexperienced candidates in this way and both experienced candidates on their record.
John Carson wrote:
The African American turnout is going to smash all previous records.
Doesn't matter. Only a couple of states with large black populations are in play. All the blacks in New York and California may add to the raw vote totals for Obama, but will not provide him with one more electoral vote.
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bulg wrote:
It DOES matter. Everyone should vote.
Take it up with the Electoral college. Each state is winner-take-all. So states that have far more memebers of one party than the other are signed, sealed, and delivered. Whether I vote for the president or not will make no difference because I live in one of the reddest of the red states. I moved here, ironically enough, from one of the bluest of the blue states, where my presidential vote didn't count either. Over time, of course, a state can be put back into play. Virginia is now considered a swing state instead of a guaranteed Republican fiefdom.
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Oakman wrote:
I can't decide if they are terrified
I can. It is pretty easy to gauge the fear based on the level of noise coming out of the media. I just finished donating another $100 to McCain / Palin. Well, $98, I spent the other $2 on more bumper stickers.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I just finished donating another $100 to McCain / Palin. Well, $98, I spent the other $2 on more bumper stickers.
I have a feeling you would have done the same had McCain picked a monkey out of his running-mate hat. "Monkies have more experience in space travel than Obama!" :rolleyes:
My latest C# extension method: public static bool In<T>(this T value, params T[] values) { return values.Any(v => v.Equals(value)); } Example: bool valid = answer.In("Yes", "No", "Dunno");
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
I just finished donating another $100 to McCain / Palin. Well, $98, I spent the other $2 on more bumper stickers.
I have a feeling you would have done the same had McCain picked a monkey out of his running-mate hat. "Monkies have more experience in space travel than Obama!" :rolleyes:
My latest C# extension method: public static bool In<T>(this T value, params T[] values) { return values.Any(v => v.Equals(value)); } Example: bool valid = answer.In("Yes", "No", "Dunno");
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Oakman wrote:
can't decide if they are terrified of her or just trying to upstage the Republican Convention.
I don't think it is a matter of being fearful of her, but they are just trying to dig up every little thing to sling mud to make themselves look better, when they really aren't.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
Paul Conrad wrote:
they are just trying to dig up every little thing to sling mud to make themselves look better, when they really aren't.
Absolutely. In fact, here are 8 Reasons Sarah Palin is More Qualified than Barack Obama[^].
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
I just finished donating another $100 to McCain / Palin. Well, $98, I spent the other $2 on more bumper stickers.
I have a feeling you would have done the same had McCain picked a monkey out of his running-mate hat. "Monkies have more experience in space travel than Obama!" :rolleyes:
My latest C# extension method: public static bool In<T>(this T value, params T[] values) { return values.Any(v => v.Equals(value)); } Example: bool valid = answer.In("Yes", "No", "Dunno");
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Paul Conrad wrote:
they are just trying to dig up every little thing to sling mud to make themselves look better, when they really aren't.
Absolutely. In fact, here are 8 Reasons Sarah Palin is More Qualified than Barack Obama[^].
My latest C# extension method: public static bool In<T>(this T value, params T[] values) { return values.Any(v => v.Equals(value)); } Example: bool valid = answer.In("Yes", "No", "Dunno");
It's sadly becoming clear to me that no-one hates the idea of women running for high office more than white liberals, except black liberals. I only read your first three points. The first is a lie, as proved by the Alaska voting records; the second is indeed a flip-flop, but anyone who supports Obama - who imitates a slinky going down stairs in the way his positions change - really can't speak very loudly to this point without being hoist by his own petard, and the third capitalizes on a personal matter in exactly the way I have come to expect from the woman-hating left.
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Doug Goulden wrote:
Oakman wrote: I can't decide if they are terrified of her or just trying to upstage the Republican Convention All of the above.
Neither of the above. The Dem's aren't terrified of Palin. She's a cypher. Selected because of her gender and her family values ideology. And while it's perfectly reasonable for the Dem's to generate news that will distract from the R's convention(just as McCain timed his vp choice announcement to distract from the Democratic convention), the news stories about Palin are standard fare. The press did with Palin exactly what it always does with public figures.
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Doug Goulden wrote:
Oakman wrote: I can't decide if they are terrified of her or just trying to upstage the Republican Convention All of the above.
Neither of the above. The Dem's aren't terrified of Palin. She's a cypher. Selected because of her gender and her family values ideology. And while it's perfectly reasonable for the Dem's to generate news that will distract from the R's convention(just as McCain timed his vp choice announcement to distract from the Democratic convention), the news stories about Palin are standard fare. The press did with Palin exactly what it always does with public figures.
oilFactotum wrote:
the news stories about Palin are standard fare.
Suuure they are. When was the last time Obama was taken to task for being a bad father because he's putting the kids in the limelight? Where's the breathless report on Michele's failure to obtain a fishing license when she was a teenager?
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It's sadly becoming clear to me that no-one hates the idea of women running for high office more than white liberals, except black liberals. I only read your first three points. The first is a lie, as proved by the Alaska voting records; the second is indeed a flip-flop, but anyone who supports Obama - who imitates a slinky going down stairs in the way his positions change - really can't speak very loudly to this point without being hoist by his own petard, and the third capitalizes on a personal matter in exactly the way I have come to expect from the woman-hating left.
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Oakman wrote:
It's sadly becoming clear to me that no-one hates the idea of women running for high office more than white liberals, except black liberals.
Yeah, those damn satirical pieces have that effect on some people. Lighten up Francis.
Oakman wrote:
The first is a lie, as proved by the Alaska voting records
OK, but the "lie" was perpetrated by officials of the AIP.
Oakman wrote:
the third capitalizes on a personal matter in exactly the way I have come to expect from the woman-hating left.
It's a personal matter made public by Palin herself. Did you notice how they're capitalizing on it to push their pro-life agenda? Did you hear Obama's response?
Oakman wrote:
I only read your first three points.
Well, they're not really my points, but I do encourage you to read the rest of them, if you can first locate your sense of humor.
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oilFactotum wrote:
the news stories about Palin are standard fare.
Suuure they are. When was the last time Obama was taken to task for being a bad father because he's putting the kids in the limelight? Where's the breathless report on Michele's failure to obtain a fishing license when she was a teenager?
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Oakman wrote:
Where's the breathless report on Michele's failure to obtain a fishing license
I haven't seen any breathless reports on Palin's failure to obtain a fishing license. What I did see was that McCain's own research team revealed that little detail.
Oakman wrote:
Obama was taken to task for being a bad father because he's putting the kids in the limelight?
So? The press is reflecting a double standard widely held in this country. And in a very extreme form by the 'family values' crowd that her selection was meant to pander to.
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Oakman wrote:
It's sadly becoming clear to me that no-one hates the idea of women running for high office more than white liberals, except black liberals.
Yeah, those damn satirical pieces have that effect on some people. Lighten up Francis.
Oakman wrote:
The first is a lie, as proved by the Alaska voting records
OK, but the "lie" was perpetrated by officials of the AIP.
Oakman wrote:
the third capitalizes on a personal matter in exactly the way I have come to expect from the woman-hating left.
It's a personal matter made public by Palin herself. Did you notice how they're capitalizing on it to push their pro-life agenda? Did you hear Obama's response?
Oakman wrote:
I only read your first three points.
Well, they're not really my points, but I do encourage you to read the rest of them, if you can first locate your sense of humor.
My latest C# extension method: public static bool In<T>(this T value, params T[] values) { return values.Any(v => v.Equals(value)); } Example: bool valid = answer.In("Yes", "No", "Dunno");
Al Beback wrote:
Yeah, those damn satirical pieces have that effect on some people. Lighten up Francis
Yeah, I've seen the "I was just joking!" cover-up before. Why don't you try dressing up in bedsheets and burning a cross on some black's lawn for your next "satire."
Al Beback wrote:
OK, but the "lie" was perpetrated by officials of the AIP.
And perpetrated by the likes of Olbermann and Blitzer without any fact-checking at all, until it's finally quoted by the bottom of the regurgitation chain here in SB.
Al Beback wrote:
Did you notice how they're capitalizing on it to push their pro-life agenda
I noticed that they were forced to bring it up to defend themselves against accusation starting in the Daily Kos and ending up on the liberal news channels that her youngest child was actually her daughters.
Al Beback wrote:
Did you hear Obama's response?
No, but I've heard Mika Brzezinski's disgust with the liberal's savaging of Palin and she is an unabashed liberal.
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It's sadly becoming clear to me that no-one hates the idea of women running for high office more than white liberals, except black liberals. I only read your first three points. The first is a lie, as proved by the Alaska voting records; the second is indeed a flip-flop, but anyone who supports Obama - who imitates a slinky going down stairs in the way his positions change - really can't speak very loudly to this point without being hoist by his own petard, and the third capitalizes on a personal matter in exactly the way I have come to expect from the woman-hating left.
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Oakman wrote:
It's sadly becoming clear to me that no-one hates the idea of women running for high office more than white liberals, except black liberals.
LOL!! Are you just being outrageous, or do you really believe that? Either way that is some seriously pathetic whining. :rolleyes: Oh, and thanks for the grin. I did find some humor in your humorless attempt to respond to a humor piece. :)
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Oakman wrote:
It's sadly becoming clear to me that no-one hates the idea of women running for high office more than white liberals, except black liberals.
LOL!! Are you just being outrageous, or do you really believe that? Either way that is some seriously pathetic whining. :rolleyes: Oh, and thanks for the grin. I did find some humor in your humorless attempt to respond to a humor piece. :)
oilFactotum wrote:
do you really believe that
Neither, it is an observed fact after watching the cable news channels, not a belief. And one that surprised the hell out of me.
oilFactotum wrote:
I did find some humor in your humorless attempt to respond to a humor piece.
Yeah, yeah, I've already heard the bullshit. "We're just kidding. . ."
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oilFactotum wrote:
do you really believe that
Neither, it is an observed fact after watching the cable news channels, not a belief. And one that surprised the hell out of me.
oilFactotum wrote:
I did find some humor in your humorless attempt to respond to a humor piece.
Yeah, yeah, I've already heard the bullshit. "We're just kidding. . ."
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Oakman wrote:
it is an observed fact
Actually, it isn't(at best you drew some very suspect opinions from watching a little TV). Not that a few talking heads are in any way represenative of liberal whites or liberal blacks.
Oakman wrote:
Yeah, yeah, I've already heard the bullsh*t. "We're just kidding. . ."
Oh, you misunderstand - just because it's humor doesn't mean that there isn't a solid kernel of truth behind it. And your tortured attempt to cast this as misogeny is nothing if not pathetically laughable. Especially coming from someone who whines whenever a Democrat cries sexism or racism. Sorry, but your "outrage" is simply not believable.
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Oakman wrote:
it is an observed fact
Actually, it isn't(at best you drew some very suspect opinions from watching a little TV). Not that a few talking heads are in any way represenative of liberal whites or liberal blacks.
Oakman wrote:
Yeah, yeah, I've already heard the bullsh*t. "We're just kidding. . ."
Oh, you misunderstand - just because it's humor doesn't mean that there isn't a solid kernel of truth behind it. And your tortured attempt to cast this as misogeny is nothing if not pathetically laughable. Especially coming from someone who whines whenever a Democrat cries sexism or racism. Sorry, but your "outrage" is simply not believable.
oilFactotum wrote:
Actually, it isn't(at best you drew some very suspect opinions from watching a little TV). Not that a few talking heads are in any way represenative of liberal whites or liberal blacks.
Make up your mind. You're beginning to sound like Microsoft with it's double denials - "there's nothing wrong, and we changed the code last week, anyway."
oilFactotum wrote:
Especially coming from someone who whines whenever a Democrat cries sexism or racism.
Either you know that is an outright lie or you are demonstrating that you have the brains of roadkill; the memory of an amoeba; and the attention span of a pubic crab.
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oilFactotum wrote:
Actually, it isn't(at best you drew some very suspect opinions from watching a little TV). Not that a few talking heads are in any way represenative of liberal whites or liberal blacks.
Make up your mind. You're beginning to sound like Microsoft with it's double denials - "there's nothing wrong, and we changed the code last week, anyway."
oilFactotum wrote:
Especially coming from someone who whines whenever a Democrat cries sexism or racism.
Either you know that is an outright lie or you are demonstrating that you have the brains of roadkill; the memory of an amoeba; and the attention span of a pubic crab.
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Oakman wrote:
Make up your mind.
You seem to think that somehow my two statements are contradictory - they aren't.
Oakman wrote:
Either you know...
Sorry man, you don't hold a candle to Vincent - he was the master of insults. You...not so much. To borrow a line from one of my lessers - I will not be returning to this thread, so feel free to have the last word.