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  • C Chris Losinger

    Ryan Johnston wrote: Are you serious? yes, 100%. -c


    Conservative: One who admires radicals centuries after they're dead. -- Leo C. Rosten

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    David Wulff
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    :omg:


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    • N Nemanja Trifunovic

      The answer is C) (*it) is the value, so &(*it) is the address of the value. Or did I miss something? I vote pro drink :beer:

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      Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: Or did I miss something? No, you are correct. Any other way is less safe.

      ---

      Shog9 If I could sleep forever, I could forget about everything...

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      • C Chris Losinger

        there's probably some deep metaphysical reason why people want to use (*it). instead of it-> . i just do it because that's how i learned it. Ryan Johnston wrote: What kind of programming do you do? a little of everything, but mostly 2d graphics. -c


        Conservative: One who admires radicals centuries after they're dead. -- Leo C. Rosten

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        Colin Leitner
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        Looking into the MSDN can open eyes! iterator overloads operator*. plain and simple. Somehow the STL trys to use references wherever possible.

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          :omg:


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          Chris Losinger
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          sadly, that used up the last of my "serious" for today. time for beer. -c


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          • C Chris Losinger

            sadly, that used up the last of my "serious" for today. time for beer. -c


            Conservative: One who admires radicals centuries after they're dead. -- Leo C. Rosten

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            David Wulff
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            lol. :)


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            • N Nemanja Trifunovic

              The answer is C) (*it) is the value, so &(*it) is the address of the value. Or did I miss something? I vote pro drink :beer:

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              Colin Leitner
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              Correct :D! Altough I believe the questioner ment D).

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              • C Colin Leitner

                Looking into the MSDN can open eyes! iterator overloads operator*. plain and simple. Somehow the STL trys to use references wherever possible.

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                Chris Losinger
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                Colin Leitner wrote: plain and simple what's plain and simple? *it.menuItem // does not compile (*it).menuItem // compiles nicely -c


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                • C Chris Losinger

                  Colin Leitner wrote: plain and simple what's plain and simple? *it.menuItem // does not compile (*it).menuItem // compiles nicely -c


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                  Colin Leitner
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                  iterator is a struct. now operator* returns the value (if I understood that right). so you need it.operator*().menuItem or (*it).menuItem. This has nothing to do with any pointer syntax.

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                  • C Colin Leitner

                    iterator is a struct. now operator* returns the value (if I understood that right). so you need it.operator*().menuItem or (*it).menuItem. This has nothing to do with any pointer syntax.

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                    Chris Losinger
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                    but it has a lot to do with precedence. overloading an operator, such as "*" doesn't change its precedence. -c


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                    • C Chris Losinger

                      but it has a lot to do with precedence. overloading an operator, such as "*" doesn't change its precedence. -c


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                      Colin Leitner
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                      Yes but '->' won't work at all! You cannot change operator precedence at all, that's correct. a+++++b ;)

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                      • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                        The answer is C) (*it) is the value, so &(*it) is the address of the value. Or did I miss something? I vote pro drink :beer:

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                        peterchen
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                        What's wrong with 'it' alone - (as long as the context indicates a valuetype * is expected)


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                        • C Colin Leitner

                          Yes but '->' won't work at all! You cannot change operator precedence at all, that's correct. a+++++b ;)

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                          Chris Losinger
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                          are you 100% sure of that?

                          #include <vector>

                          struct sc
                          {
                          sc(int i) {v=i;}
                          sc() {v=0;}

                          int v;
                          };
                          int main(int argc, char* argv[])
                          {

                          std::vector <sc> myvec;
                          myvec.push_back(sc(10));
                          myvec.push_back(sc(40));
                          myvec.push_back(sc(60));
                          myvec.push_back(sc(15));
                          myvec.push_back(sc(13));
                          myvec.push_back(sc(11));

                          for (std::vector<sc>::iterator it = myvec.begin(); it!=myvec.end(); it++)
                          {
                          if ((*it).v != it->v)
                          {
                          printf("%d != %d\n", (*it).v, it->v);
                          }
                          }
                          return 0;
                          }

                          cause this works fine. -c


                          Conservative: One who admires radicals centuries after they're dead. -- Leo C. Rosten

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                            What's wrong with 'it' alone - (as long as the context indicates a valuetype * is expected)


                            You don't need to sleep to see a nightmare  Anne Clark   [sighist]

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                            peterchen wrote: What's wrong with 'it' a You mean, aside from being incorrect code? ;) An iterator is an opaque data type, like say POSITION in MFC. You can't make any assumptions about it actually being a pointer to the underlying data, because iterator is not documented as such. --Mike-- Just released - RightClick-Encrypt v1.3 - Adds fast & easy file encryption to Explorer My really out-of-date homepage Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm

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                              I don't know anything about STL, what is an STL iterator? Having said that the only option that look reasonable is D (although other options are possible if iterators have overloaded operators). Ryan Johnston

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                              Michael Dunn
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                              It's a type used to iterate (!) through the elements in an STL collection (vector, list, etc.) --Mike-- Just released - RightClick-Encrypt v1.3 - Adds fast & easy file encryption to Explorer My really out-of-date homepage Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm

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                              • C Chris Losinger

                                are you 100% sure of that?

                                #include <vector>

                                struct sc
                                {
                                sc(int i) {v=i;}
                                sc() {v=0;}

                                int v;
                                };
                                int main(int argc, char* argv[])
                                {

                                std::vector <sc> myvec;
                                myvec.push_back(sc(10));
                                myvec.push_back(sc(40));
                                myvec.push_back(sc(60));
                                myvec.push_back(sc(15));
                                myvec.push_back(sc(13));
                                myvec.push_back(sc(11));

                                for (std::vector<sc>::iterator it = myvec.begin(); it!=myvec.end(); it++)
                                {
                                if ((*it).v != it->v)
                                {
                                printf("%d != %d\n", (*it).v, it->v);
                                }
                                }
                                return 0;
                                }

                                cause this works fine. -c


                                Conservative: One who admires radicals centuries after they're dead. -- Leo C. Rosten

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                                Colin Leitner
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                                I'm sorry, I forgot they implemented the operator-> too (argh! operator overloading begins to suck ;)

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                                • C Colin Leitner

                                  I'm sorry, I forgot they implemented the operator-> too (argh! operator overloading begins to suck ;)

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                                  Colin Leitner
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                                  Clickety.I choose a random iterator type, but they all behave the same.

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                                  • D David Stone

                                    Congrats to Christian Graus for thinking up the QOTD. I believe this is the first one I've seen from a CPian. Of course, I can't answer because I haven't a clue when it comes to STL. So I'll just leave the answering of it to the rest of you. :) David Stone It seemed similar to someone saying, "Would you like to meet my knife collection?" Ryan Johnston on Elaine's sig

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                                    Giles
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                                    Ahh, my brain is switched off. For that past few days I've been going though interfaces/abstract classes and coding COM objects in pure C++, to gain a better understanding. Now I think I know this one, as I use them quite a bit, but I've not got the energy to make sure. brain is mush, and I've just finished watching Lord 'o' the Rings. I'm battered, and I think I'm going to have another glass of wine...... :-D(stupid grin)

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                                      Congrats to Christian Graus for thinking up the QOTD. I believe this is the first one I've seen from a CPian. Of course, I can't answer because I haven't a clue when it comes to STL. So I'll just leave the answering of it to the rest of you. :) David Stone It seemed similar to someone saying, "Would you like to meet my knife collection?" Ryan Johnston on Elaine's sig

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                                      Todd Smith
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                                      What about option E) const_cast<Type&>(*it).Foo() ? Otherwise you're editing a copy of the object. Todd Smith

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                                      • C Chris Losinger

                                        there's probably some deep metaphysical reason why people want to use (*it). instead of it-> . i just do it because that's how i learned it. Ryan Johnston wrote: What kind of programming do you do? a little of everything, but mostly 2d graphics. -c


                                        Conservative: One who admires radicals centuries after they're dead. -- Leo C. Rosten

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                                        Daniel Lohmann
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                                        Chris Losinger wrote: there's probably some deep metaphysical reason why people want to use (*it). instead of it-> . i just do it because that's how i learned it AFAIR it is just because early versions of STL and/or the C++ compiler used those days didn't support the "intuitive" syntax. In our days using it->Something should work quite fine. -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de (Hey, this page is worth looking! You can find some free and handy NT tools there :-D )

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                                          peterchen wrote: What's wrong with 'it' a You mean, aside from being incorrect code? ;) An iterator is an opaque data type, like say POSITION in MFC. You can't make any assumptions about it actually being a pointer to the underlying data, because iterator is not documented as such. --Mike-- Just released - RightClick-Encrypt v1.3 - Adds fast & easy file encryption to Explorer My really out-of-date homepage Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm

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                                          Daniel Lohmann
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                                          Michael Dunn wrote: You can't make any assumptions about it actually being a pointer to the underlying data, because iterator is not documented as such. But you can expect it to support (part of) the syntactic interface of a pointer (operator *(), operator ->() and for some iterators also operator []()) Therefore if you use it in generic (templated) code you can expect it to work like a pointer. We have to be very careful with terms like "pointer", "data" and so on here. What exactly is meant by "pointer". A pointer in the C sense or a "thing" that supports the interface of a pointer and therfore acts like a pointer (which is exactly the idea of a generic iterator used in STL). I am still not sure about the intention of the original question: Given an STL iterator it, what is the correct way to access a pointer to the iterator's data? Does it mean:

                                          • a C-style pointer to the data the iterator refers to? Then the correct answer is c), even if I am not sure it should be written as &(*it) instead of &*it .
                                          • a "pointer interface" to the data the iterator refers to? Then the correct answer is a).
                                          • a "pointer inteface" to the iterator itself? Then the correct answer is b).
                                          • ...

                                          -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de (Hey, this page is worth looking! You can find some free and handy NT tools there :-D )

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