Extraordinary popular delusions and the madness of crowds
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BoneSoft wrote:
What I can say for her is she's made this election exciting for a change.
In about the same sense that topless mud-wrestling is exciting...
No, I was thinking more like baby-oil.
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Chris Austin wrote:
I should add that I don't really know if the results of the debates will matter. People seem to have really fallen into the "red vs blue" mentality so there seems to be little concern about the merit in actual platform or policy.
I think there are many true independents left in this country. But since they have few positive feelings about either of the candidates, they remain apathetic about the election. However, they are the ones who, in the swing states, will ultimately make the decision about who will be the next president. The good news for you is that they seem to be leaning slightly in favor of your guy.
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Oakman wrote:
The good news for you is that they seem to be leaning slightly in favor of your guy.
Ron Paul is my guy. I think both major party candidates are not capable of leading our country out of the obvious mediocrity we have been wallowing in since the 80s.
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Chris Austin wrote:
You mean something like "Operation Chaos" by Rush and his dildo heads.
The first time cross-over voting played in the primaries was in New Hampshire. The press had declared Obama the winner the day before the vote was taken, so many people who might have voted for him decided instead to vote for McCain in the Republican primary. The three main results were that Hillary won, reviving her campaign; McCain won, reviving his campaign; and Keith Olbermann had apoplexy on camera.
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You should have been here in Dallas, Texas; it was rampant among my neighbors and others that I know.
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Oakman wrote:
I was certainly wrong when I told you that McCain had made a big mistake in picking her
I thought the same. But, it will be interesting to see how she holds up to Biden in the debates. He is a pretty bright and seemingly genuine guy; if she attempts to make the debate personal I think he will rip her up. But, if she steps up on the current issues it could be an interesting debate. {Edit} I should add that I don't really know if the results of the debates will matter. People seem to have really fallen into the "red vs blue" mentality so there seems to be little concern about the merit in actual platform or policy.
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Chris Austin wrote:
if she attempts to make the debate personal I think he will rip her up.
I don't think that will happen. It served it's purpose in the acceptance speach in front of the audience it was intended to excite.
Chris Austin wrote:
should add that I don't really know if the results of the debates will matter.
It will matter a lot if she chokes. Barring that, I think you're right. Up until her nomination Republicans had nothing to vote for, if she proves to be a prop Obama has a shot at the White House.
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The torrent of damaging stories which have emerged in the days since Sarah Palin was tapped to be the Republican vice presidential nominee have done nothing to dampen the chants of "Sa-rah! Sa-rah!" at rallies across the United States. Link[^]. I think the title of this thread explains it all. Charles Mackay[^] would be proud.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
What do you call all the Obama zealots, including 500,000 germans?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Chris Austin wrote:
I should add that I don't really know if the results of the debates will matter. People seem to have really fallen into the "red vs blue" mentality so there seems to be little concern about the merit in actual platform or policy.
I think there are many true independents left in this country. But since they have few positive feelings about either of the candidates, they remain apathetic about the election. However, they are the ones who, in the swing states, will ultimately make the decision about who will be the next president. The good news for you is that they seem to be leaning slightly in favor of your guy.
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Oakman wrote:
However, they are the ones who, in the swing states, will ultimately make the decision about who will be the next president.
There could also be some surprises. Georgia has been a "safe red" state, but might actually be in play this time. Certainly Obama will command the large African-American vote (and it is irrelevant whether because of race or ideology). There is also a large working class white vote that is really stung by the current economy, and that might put aside it's racism to vote against the Republicans who are seen as the party of the rich, and who are largely sitting on their laurels here, confident that past performance predicts the future. They forget that not long ago, this was a safe Dixiecrat state, and there linger a lot of old loyalties to the Democratic party.
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What do you call all the Obama zealots, including 500,000 germans?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
What do you call all the Obama zealots, including 500,000 germans?
Friends of the next POTUS?
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Oakman wrote:
The good news for you is that they seem to be leaning slightly in favor of your guy.
Ron Paul is my guy. I think both major party candidates are not capable of leading our country out of the obvious mediocrity we have been wallowing in since the 80s.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
Chris Austin wrote:
leading our country out of the obvious mediocrity we have been wallowing in since the 80s.
That will be hard to do. Speaking of problems that have mushroomed since the 80s, I want a candidate that says "I'm going to fix health care, by deporting illegal aliens, closing down McDonalds, giving tax credits for treadmill purchases and gym memberships, and educating people on how to save more than 3% of their income, to not think that debt and credit cards are great and that cooking at home is an option that should occationally be explored. And the educating part will start with the fat lazy money wasting old wrinkled white men in Congress." Of course that might not be so great on the economy...
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You should have been here in Dallas, Texas; it was rampant among my neighbors and others that I know.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
Chris Austin wrote:
You should have been here in Dallas, Texas; it was rampant among my neighbors and others that I know.
My son and I both voted for Hilary. It was a blast.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Chris Austin wrote:
You should have been here in Dallas, Texas; it was rampant among my neighbors and others that I know.
My son and I both voted for Hilary. It was a blast.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
I bet. My neighbor who is a card carrying liberal democrat voted for McCain while my 'better dead than blue' friend showed up at the poll and cacus for Clinton. It is pretty humorous and shows what a joke the current system is.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
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Oakman wrote:
However, they are the ones who, in the swing states, will ultimately make the decision about who will be the next president.
There could also be some surprises. Georgia has been a "safe red" state, but might actually be in play this time. Certainly Obama will command the large African-American vote (and it is irrelevant whether because of race or ideology). There is also a large working class white vote that is really stung by the current economy, and that might put aside it's racism to vote against the Republicans who are seen as the party of the rich, and who are largely sitting on their laurels here, confident that past performance predicts the future. They forget that not long ago, this was a safe Dixiecrat state, and there linger a lot of old loyalties to the Democratic party.
I live just north of Georgia in the heart of Dixiecrat country. Almost everything you say is equally true of South Carolina - though Barr won't get very many votes (he's a phoney libertarian anyway). Around here almost all local elections are decided in the Democratic primary, but even though everyone has a drawl, they are bright enough to split the ticket and have gone Republican since '68 when it comes to the top of the national ticket. Georgia could be different, of course, but I'd bet against it.
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I bet. My neighbor who is a card carrying liberal democrat voted for McCain while my 'better dead than blue' friend showed up at the poll and cacus for Clinton. It is pretty humorous and shows what a joke the current system is.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
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What do you call all the Obama zealots, including 500,000 germans?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
What do you call all the Obama zealots, including 500,000 germans?
Your worst nightmare.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I detest everything Palin represents - ultra-conservative religious values, obedience to God, small town raised, "hockey mom", Ms. Congeniality, apparent dishonesty, a view of the world a the playground for the human race, etc...
I agree with you on everything except the small town raised bit. Before moving to Phoenix I was raised in a town with a population of less than 2,000. I don't think living in a small town in anyway damaged me nor do I see small town living as a negative thing.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Her personality, worldview and physical appearance grate upon my nerves like you wouldn't believe.
I had just started watching TV again since collage football is starting up. When I see and hear her it just makes me want to turn off the TV.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I believe this woman has the capacity to regress the U.S. further into a state of pseudo-theocracy by giving a voice to the evangelical crowd.
Same here. Too be honest I am amazed at how easily my fellow citizens are allowing this to happen.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Before moving to Phoenix I was raised in a town with a population of less than 2,000. I don't think living in a small town in anyway damaged me nor do I see small town living as a negative thing.
I grew up in a town about that size, too. However, I see it entirely the opposite from you. It was cliquish and the pressure to conform to their right wing norm was something fierce. I spent much of the time counting the days until I could show it my ass as I hit the road.
If you don't have the data, you're just another asshole with an opinion.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I detest everything Palin represents - ultra-conservative religious values, obedience to God, small town raised, "hockey mom", Ms. Congeniality, apparent dishonesty, a view of the world a the playground for the human race, etc...
I agree with you on everything except the small town raised bit. Before moving to Phoenix I was raised in a town with a population of less than 2,000. I don't think living in a small town in anyway damaged me nor do I see small town living as a negative thing.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Her personality, worldview and physical appearance grate upon my nerves like you wouldn't believe.
I had just started watching TV again since collage football is starting up. When I see and hear her it just makes me want to turn off the TV.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I believe this woman has the capacity to regress the U.S. further into a state of pseudo-theocracy by giving a voice to the evangelical crowd.
Same here. Too be honest I am amazed at how easily my fellow citizens are allowing this to happen.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
Chris Austin wrote:
I agree with you on everything except the small town raised bit. Before moving to Phoenix I was raised in a town with a population of less than 2,000. I don't think living in a small town in anyway damaged me nor do I see small town living as a negative thing.
Okay - mileage may vary. I've just had bad experiences in all the small towns I've lived in.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
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You make it sounds as if there's nothing to like or admire in the woman. Or do you just dislike the fact that there's finally somebody on the ticket that represents the right? Because that's what the excitement is about. Nobody on the right wanted McCain, I still have no idea how he got there. Forget swing votes and disgruntled Hillary supporters, Palin will get Republicans off the couch to vote. And that is what has the left scared into making one stupid mistake after another. Ignoring her wouldn't have done them much good either, but it would have done them less harm.
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BoneSoft wrote:
You make it sounds as if there's nothing to like or admire in the woman.
For me, there isn't. To me, she represents a descent into theocracy. For others, of course, their opinion may differ given their views.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I detest everything Palin represents
You better stop repressing yourself like this. It's not good for the blood pressure. Try, just once, letting go of that famous Canadian reserve and saying what you really mean. ;) Back when there were still about twenty people in the running for the nominations, I realised that Biden was the man best qualified to be President. I didn't always agree with his positions, but I felt he had the wisdom (far more important that experience or change-agentry) to lead this country. But whether you consider it fortunate or not, neither Biden nor Palin are likely to be running the USA during the next few years - Yes, there's a chance, but I suspect the Los Vegas odds are stacked quite high against 'em. Palin was a brilliant choice politically. The only way Obama could have headed it off was to select Hillary as his running mate - she would've been attractive to many of the same people who are now moving towards the McCain campaign - though Obama still has the lead in the swing states.
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I suppose there's no point whining about Palin now. She's been selected as VP, so what will be will be. I don't exactly like Obama, but man I hope he wins or at least the vote is split 49-51% or something...
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
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BoneSoft wrote:
You make it sounds as if there's nothing to like or admire in the woman.
For me, there isn't. To me, she represents a descent into theocracy. For others, of course, their opinion may differ given their views.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
73Zeppelin wrote:
For me, there isn't. To me, she represents a descent into theocracy.
For the life of me, I cannot comprehend why you view her church as a threat, but Obama's isn't...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Chris Austin wrote:
leading our country out of the obvious mediocrity we have been wallowing in since the 80s.
That will be hard to do. Speaking of problems that have mushroomed since the 80s, I want a candidate that says "I'm going to fix health care, by deporting illegal aliens, closing down McDonalds, giving tax credits for treadmill purchases and gym memberships, and educating people on how to save more than 3% of their income, to not think that debt and credit cards are great and that cooking at home is an option that should occationally be explored. And the educating part will start with the fat lazy money wasting old wrinkled white men in Congress." Of course that might not be so great on the economy...
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I just want someone who can plan something beyond the 2 year congressional election cycle.
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BoneSoft wrote:
You make it sounds as if there's nothing to like or admire in the woman.
For me, there isn't. To me, she represents a descent into theocracy. For others, of course, their opinion may differ given their views.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
73Zeppelin wrote:
To me, she represents a descent into theocracy.
A theocracy won't happen in America, the day it does it won't be America anymore. But I differ from many here in that I don't think having some faith is the worst thing that can possibly happen to people. What about her faith based values do you find so troublesome?
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