Got a mail from our Admin!
-
ALNAT wrote:
During these hours the security will allow only the second shift employees.
What happens if you were out, and came back like 11:15am ? :doh: Clearly, this decision was NOT made by a software developer! ;P
xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)leppie wrote:
What happens if you were out, and came back like 11:15am ?
We've to get a permission slip signed by reporting manager and submit to xxx person or else LOP :mad:
leppie wrote:
Clearly, this decision was NOT made by a software developer!
Exactly. Not even intelligent humane!
-
follow my employer's security protocols.
“If we are all in agreement on the decision - then I propose we postpone further discussion of this matter until our next meeting to give ourselves time to develop disagreement and perhaps gain some understanding of what the decision is all about.”-Alfred P. Sloan
-
Tell them it violates your civil rights! Oh, look for another job.
Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.
-
Due to security reasons and audit compliance the rear entrance door will be shut from 11am to 6 PM. Employees who wish to go out in these hours will have to offer permission slips to the security duly signed by the reporting managers. During these hours the security will allow only the second shift employees. What the fuck do they think X| X| ? Even my school days where better. What would you do if you receive this mail ?? X| :mad: :omg: :wtf:
-
legal limits?
“If we are all in agreement on the decision - then I propose we postpone further discussion of this matter until our next meeting to give ourselves time to develop disagreement and perhaps gain some understanding of what the decision is all about.”-Alfred P. Sloan
-
Due to security reasons and audit compliance the rear entrance door will be shut from 11am to 6 PM. Employees who wish to go out in these hours will have to offer permission slips to the security duly signed by the reporting managers. During these hours the security will allow only the second shift employees. What the fuck do they think X| X| ? Even my school days where better. What would you do if you receive this mail ?? X| :mad: :omg: :wtf:
It seems like a 'small thing' to me. Clearly Management has some reason that they feel that it is important to control access... Perhaps it is a 'polite way' to address a problem of staff who slip in late (or slip out early) from lunch through the back door which may not be visible. Or perhaps the entrance has limited visibility from the rest of the office which could be a security risk. I own my own company and while I try and go out of my way to ensure staff have a large amount of freedom in the office I would not hesitate for a second to lock things down if I felt the staff were abusing this freedom or my proprietary knowledge or resources was at risk of theft. Put yourself in their shoes. What possible reasons could you think of that would require this action? If one or two people are abusing this freedom then these bad apples can spoil the whole barrel if the practice is not stopped immediately. If abuse is tolerated then the good staff start looking a management wondering why the hell they aren't doing anything to prevent the abuse. Maybe if staff policed each other then management wouldn't need to step in. Ownership made the changes for a reason. Live with it. Come back here after you have invested your house and life savings to start your own business. Perhaps you would respond differently when YOUR proprietary knowledge is at risk of theft, or YOU are paying for staff that perhaps are abusing their hours of work, etc. I am guessing (from your harsh reaction to a minor infringement of your freedom) that you are simply seeing what you want to see and it sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder related to your employer. If in fact this is the case then perhaps you are not employed in an environment that suits you. If so - then leave - you are not doing yourself or the company any benefit by staying. Understand that this is stated matter of fact - My intent is not to berate you at all - it is just that I have seen staff come in my doors who simply dont suit the culture of the company. At the end of the day both they and us are happier after they leave. Regards, David
-
Due to security reasons and audit compliance the rear entrance door will be shut from 11am to 6 PM. Employees who wish to go out in these hours will have to offer permission slips to the security duly signed by the reporting managers. During these hours the security will allow only the second shift employees. What the fuck do they think X| X| ? Even my school days where better. What would you do if you receive this mail ?? X| :mad: :omg: :wtf:
ALNAT wrote:
What would you do if you receive this mail ??
do not go out the rear entrance! :) I guess I have had to deal with this far more often than you. So often, it is second nature. No exit, exit only the front, exit with badge showing, you name it, I have seen it. Deal with it. :-D I guess I am not much of a help am I? but hey, I have been through a dozen drills or more and still haven't been declared dead (for simulated drill purposes -- and it is a good thing, because I hear corpses are shot not far away in Mexico ;P ). My ex wife was declared dead in a simulated accident because one of the employees turned on the air-conditioner during a safety drill. It just so happens the safety drill was for the accidental release of oxidizer (nitrogen tetroxide)... and the wind was blowing toward her building so everyone in the building was declared dead for the exercise and everyone had to go in for additional safety training to prevent that from happening again. Better to be declared dead in a drill than the real thing. Even better not to be declared dead so you have a better chance of surviving the real thing.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
-
It seems like a 'small thing' to me. Clearly Management has some reason that they feel that it is important to control access... Perhaps it is a 'polite way' to address a problem of staff who slip in late (or slip out early) from lunch through the back door which may not be visible. Or perhaps the entrance has limited visibility from the rest of the office which could be a security risk. I own my own company and while I try and go out of my way to ensure staff have a large amount of freedom in the office I would not hesitate for a second to lock things down if I felt the staff were abusing this freedom or my proprietary knowledge or resources was at risk of theft. Put yourself in their shoes. What possible reasons could you think of that would require this action? If one or two people are abusing this freedom then these bad apples can spoil the whole barrel if the practice is not stopped immediately. If abuse is tolerated then the good staff start looking a management wondering why the hell they aren't doing anything to prevent the abuse. Maybe if staff policed each other then management wouldn't need to step in. Ownership made the changes for a reason. Live with it. Come back here after you have invested your house and life savings to start your own business. Perhaps you would respond differently when YOUR proprietary knowledge is at risk of theft, or YOU are paying for staff that perhaps are abusing their hours of work, etc. I am guessing (from your harsh reaction to a minor infringement of your freedom) that you are simply seeing what you want to see and it sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder related to your employer. If in fact this is the case then perhaps you are not employed in an environment that suits you. If so - then leave - you are not doing yourself or the company any benefit by staying. Understand that this is stated matter of fact - My intent is not to berate you at all - it is just that I have seen staff come in my doors who simply dont suit the culture of the company. At the end of the day both they and us are happier after they leave. Regards, David
Any infringement on freedom is worthy of consideration and not a 'small thing' in my opinion, especially if you weren't knowingly under these restrictions when you were hired. I didn't think the reaction was harsh at all. We have given up far too much of our freedom these days to *not* take every additional removal as something to weigh carefully. However, I do agree that the proprietor of the business has the right to protect his security, and the right to make such reasonable rules as might be required to do this. I'm also free to seek employment elsewhere if his security measures impinge upon my freedom in a way that I object to. I probably wouldn't object to this as long as I was paid for all hours I am under that restriction. Now, if you are are not paid for your lunch break, even if they ARE bringing in food, I would object. If they aren't paying me, they have no right to restrict my movements. But if it's on the clock, and the hours are reasonable and there is means provided for someone who must leave to be able to, I'm okay with it. Bottom line, if you aren't comfortable with the new restrictions, speak up if you can, and/or move on. You have options, even if they aren't always GOOD options. Exercise them.
Caffeine - it's what's for breakfast! (and lunch, and dinner, and...)
-
ALNAT wrote:
What would you do if you receive this mail ??
Smoke at my desk WOOOHOOOO!!!!!!! ;P
xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)1988: I have an office with walls, a door that closes, and a window that looks out on the woods behind our building. I have an ash tray on my desk that fills to overflowing every day, and I end up with the shakes from nicotine overdose frequently. 2008: I have a 7x10 cubicle. No door. The nearest window is reachable only through another person's cube. I haven't smoked since January 1, 1991. Instead, I leave the cubicle at 11:30 and go for a 6 mile run. All things considered, I prefer the 2008 version.
Software Zen:
delete this;
Fold With Us![^] -
Any infringement on freedom is worthy of consideration and not a 'small thing' in my opinion, especially if you weren't knowingly under these restrictions when you were hired. I didn't think the reaction was harsh at all. We have given up far too much of our freedom these days to *not* take every additional removal as something to weigh carefully. However, I do agree that the proprietor of the business has the right to protect his security, and the right to make such reasonable rules as might be required to do this. I'm also free to seek employment elsewhere if his security measures impinge upon my freedom in a way that I object to. I probably wouldn't object to this as long as I was paid for all hours I am under that restriction. Now, if you are are not paid for your lunch break, even if they ARE bringing in food, I would object. If they aren't paying me, they have no right to restrict my movements. But if it's on the clock, and the hours are reasonable and there is means provided for someone who must leave to be able to, I'm okay with it. Bottom line, if you aren't comfortable with the new restrictions, speak up if you can, and/or move on. You have options, even if they aren't always GOOD options. Exercise them.
Caffeine - it's what's for breakfast! (and lunch, and dinner, and...)
No objections to anything you say here. My staff is free to come and go as they please as long as the work gets done and that they communicate any unusual movements out of the office (ie. Doctor/erands, etc). Not to control them but just simply to know if/when they will return. If they abuse it though I might have to make changes. It is a priviledge not a right. Management always struggles with that fine line of managing staff time. Until you are in the position of having to manage it yourself it is hard to envision what the problems are but I can assure you that this matter is probably not about you. It is likely a bigger picture item. Out of curiosity did you actually discuss the matter with them one-on-one? If not, and assuming you are still pationate about it, I would talk to the person making the rule to determine what the root of the problem really is. You might be suprised and find that it makes sense. :-) Cheers, David
-
No objections to anything you say here. My staff is free to come and go as they please as long as the work gets done and that they communicate any unusual movements out of the office (ie. Doctor/erands, etc). Not to control them but just simply to know if/when they will return. If they abuse it though I might have to make changes. It is a priviledge not a right. Management always struggles with that fine line of managing staff time. Until you are in the position of having to manage it yourself it is hard to envision what the problems are but I can assure you that this matter is probably not about you. It is likely a bigger picture item. Out of curiosity did you actually discuss the matter with them one-on-one? If not, and assuming you are still pationate about it, I would talk to the person making the rule to determine what the root of the problem really is. You might be suprised and find that it makes sense. :-) Cheers, David
If late arrivals are a problem, would it not be better to identify the people who do that routinely and talk to them? A blanket move like this one causes resentment, particularly among those who work sincerely.
Orcrist wrote:
Out of curiosity did you actually discuss the matter with them one-on-one? If not, and assuming you are still pationate about it, I would talk to the person making the rule to determine what the root of the problem really is. You might be suprised and find that it makes sense.
The management was responsible for communicating reasons also, and to give it at least and appearance of being reasonable. It seems that such an effort did not happen. I feel that the management will pay in terms of low employee morale, and good employee attrition, if they keep this up. I have run businesses myself, and have always found that involving employees in decision-making, and when that is not possible, communicating the reasons for doing something helps in improving working relationship.