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It looks like fan mail, David! Good job:-) I'm amazed that anyone would get worked up enough over a silly webpage to actually write the author. Does the ninny really think that you're likely to change your opinion on the strength of his note? What a wanker, indeed!:-D "Knock, knock." "Who's there?" "Recursion." "Recursion who?" "Knock, knock..."
Roger Wright wrote: It looks like fan mail, David! Good job you'd be surprised at some of the stuff I get - on top of my usual mix of fan and hate mail these past few months I seem to have been counsellor for the BT Victims society! Not that I am complaining, I enjoy and do read every piece of e-mail I recieve. Roger Wright wrote: I'm amazed that anyone would get worked up enough over a silly webpage to actually write the author Bah - silly indeed! :mad: :rolleyes: Roger Wright wrote: Does the ninny really think that you're likely to change your opinion on the strength of his note? The wankerish part is that it isn't even my opinion, and I have jumped through flaming hoops, literally, to make damned sure everyone knows it before the read the list. Even so I have still had otherwise intelligent people from this very community subject me to the same crap time and time again.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
One 18yrs male, red and white, good condition; daily servicing required. £500 collect ono.
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From: David Wulff [mailto:dave@davidwulff.co.uk] Sent: 12 August 2002 01:13 To: '------' Subject: RE: Your pet hates. Dear K.M., Whatever are you talking about? Yours, - Dave
From: ---- [mailto:----@netscape.net] Sent: 11 August 2002 23:50 To: dave@davidwulff.co.uk Subject: Your pet hates. Hopefully you aren't so closed minded that you will actually consider what I am about to say, If so, that's your business. This letter is about your 'pet hates'. '1. Ignorant and Religious People', Do you hate ALL religious people even though most have never done anything wrong personally to you (I certainly haven't), or are you just marking people in your mind as ignorant because they choose to believe in God (which is their free right to do). Because I can tell you that as someone who is a Christian, I am neither ignorant nor arrogant, nor would I EVER try to impose MY belief on you. You are being presumptious (one of my pet peeves, along with selfishness). I am an American, and PROUD OF IT. And I can tell you that I don't hate English people 'just because they happen to live in England' because there's not a lot of choice we have about where we're born (although I admit many English,to me, tend to act arrogant). # 5. 'People who complain about something without realising how damned lucky they are in the first place.' You say this, and you lump religious people in with ignorant people, which I assume you consider all Americans to be (# 10). # 9. 'People who are so biased that they truly can't see the other point of view'. This is your exact attitude toward religious people and Americans. Oh well, I have read that what people despise the very most in others is what they fear the most of becoming themselves. See if you can open you mind up enough to admit to YOURSELF that you just might be wrong, if you can't, then YOU'RE Ignorant and arrogant. Thanks for your time. K.M. __________________________________________________________________ Pre-order the NEW Netscape 7.0 browser. Reserve your FREE CD and pay only $2.99 shipping and handling. http://cd.netscape.com/promo\_one/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Of course *you* are not too ignorant or arrogant (take your pick) to read the very first lines on the very same page, are you? I am trying to think of a more politely worded response to the inevitable "arrogant bastard" followup e-mail - I don't suppose I could have a little help could I? I'm afraid my grasp of the Englis
David Wulff quoted: Oh well, I have read that what people despise the very most in others is what they fear the most of becoming themselves. Hmm, he may have a point... ...though i don't see how he could really fault you for it. :zzz:
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Shog9 If I could sleep forever, I could forget about everything...
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David Wulff quoted: Oh well, I have read that what people despise the very most in others is what they fear the most of becoming themselves. Hmm, he may have a point... ...though i don't see how he could really fault you for it. :zzz:
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Shog9 If I could sleep forever, I could forget about everything...
Shog9 wrote: Hmm, he may have a point... ...though i don't see how he could really fault you for it The only thing on that list I fear for becoming is a Frontpage Express user. :suss: However, that is totally irrelavent (unless you are trying to flogg me a copy) because the entire list is 100% fictional. I am curious as to which part of (emphasis copied exactly from the site) they did not understand: Note: Obviously this list is not to be taken seriously by any means. Well, maybe number 4... :confused:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
One 18yrs male, red and white, good condition; daily servicing required. £500 collect ono.
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Shog9 wrote: Hmm, he may have a point... ...though i don't see how he could really fault you for it The only thing on that list I fear for becoming is a Frontpage Express user. :suss: However, that is totally irrelavent (unless you are trying to flogg me a copy) because the entire list is 100% fictional. I am curious as to which part of (emphasis copied exactly from the site) they did not understand: Note: Obviously this list is not to be taken seriously by any means. Well, maybe number 4... :confused:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
One 18yrs male, red and white, good condition; daily servicing required. £500 collect ono.
David Wulff wrote: unless you are trying to flogg me a copy Alright, what the hell does that mean? Don't go speaking English on me now...
Though if you were wondering, i'm not taking this seriously. Your list seems in danger of soon developing more disclaimers than actual list; anyone taking offense from it is simply looking for something to take offense at, and happened to wander by your site. Though i must say, it'd be a lot funnier if it lost the disclaimers & stuck to tongue-in-cheek arrogant humour... ---
Shog9 If I could sleep forever, I could forget about everything...
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Roger Wright wrote: It looks like fan mail, David! Good job you'd be surprised at some of the stuff I get - on top of my usual mix of fan and hate mail these past few months I seem to have been counsellor for the BT Victims society! Not that I am complaining, I enjoy and do read every piece of e-mail I recieve. Roger Wright wrote: I'm amazed that anyone would get worked up enough over a silly webpage to actually write the author Bah - silly indeed! :mad: :rolleyes: Roger Wright wrote: Does the ninny really think that you're likely to change your opinion on the strength of his note? The wankerish part is that it isn't even my opinion, and I have jumped through flaming hoops, literally, to make damned sure everyone knows it before the read the list. Even so I have still had otherwise intelligent people from this very community subject me to the same crap time and time again.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
One 18yrs male, red and white, good condition; daily servicing required. £500 collect ono.
David Wulff wrote: I have still had otherwise intelligent people from this very community subject me to the same crap time and time again. :laugh::laugh: I know... I've been watching! "Knock, knock." "Who's there?" "Recursion." "Recursion who?" "Knock, knock..."
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David Wulff wrote: unless you are trying to flogg me a copy Alright, what the hell does that mean? Don't go speaking English on me now...
Though if you were wondering, i'm not taking this seriously. Your list seems in danger of soon developing more disclaimers than actual list; anyone taking offense from it is simply looking for something to take offense at, and happened to wander by your site. Though i must say, it'd be a lot funnier if it lost the disclaimers & stuck to tongue-in-cheek arrogant humour... ---
Shog9 If I could sleep forever, I could forget about everything...
...unless you are trying to sell me a copy. :-O
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
One 18yrs male, red and white, good condition; daily servicing required. £500 collect ono.
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Roger Wright wrote: It looks like fan mail, David! Good job you'd be surprised at some of the stuff I get - on top of my usual mix of fan and hate mail these past few months I seem to have been counsellor for the BT Victims society! Not that I am complaining, I enjoy and do read every piece of e-mail I recieve. Roger Wright wrote: I'm amazed that anyone would get worked up enough over a silly webpage to actually write the author Bah - silly indeed! :mad: :rolleyes: Roger Wright wrote: Does the ninny really think that you're likely to change your opinion on the strength of his note? The wankerish part is that it isn't even my opinion, and I have jumped through flaming hoops, literally, to make damned sure everyone knows it before the read the list. Even so I have still had otherwise intelligent people from this very community subject me to the same crap time and time again.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
One 18yrs male, red and white, good condition; daily servicing required. £500 collect ono.
I have a similar problem with abusive mail. I have zero respect for people who don't flame in the open; and restrict it to emails. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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From: David Wulff [mailto:dave@davidwulff.co.uk] Sent: 12 August 2002 01:13 To: '------' Subject: RE: Your pet hates. Dear K.M., Whatever are you talking about? Yours, - Dave
From: ---- [mailto:----@netscape.net] Sent: 11 August 2002 23:50 To: dave@davidwulff.co.uk Subject: Your pet hates. Hopefully you aren't so closed minded that you will actually consider what I am about to say, If so, that's your business. This letter is about your 'pet hates'. '1. Ignorant and Religious People', Do you hate ALL religious people even though most have never done anything wrong personally to you (I certainly haven't), or are you just marking people in your mind as ignorant because they choose to believe in God (which is their free right to do). Because I can tell you that as someone who is a Christian, I am neither ignorant nor arrogant, nor would I EVER try to impose MY belief on you. You are being presumptious (one of my pet peeves, along with selfishness). I am an American, and PROUD OF IT. And I can tell you that I don't hate English people 'just because they happen to live in England' because there's not a lot of choice we have about where we're born (although I admit many English,to me, tend to act arrogant). # 5. 'People who complain about something without realising how damned lucky they are in the first place.' You say this, and you lump religious people in with ignorant people, which I assume you consider all Americans to be (# 10). # 9. 'People who are so biased that they truly can't see the other point of view'. This is your exact attitude toward religious people and Americans. Oh well, I have read that what people despise the very most in others is what they fear the most of becoming themselves. See if you can open you mind up enough to admit to YOURSELF that you just might be wrong, if you can't, then YOU'RE Ignorant and arrogant. Thanks for your time. K.M. __________________________________________________________________ Pre-order the NEW Netscape 7.0 browser. Reserve your FREE CD and pay only $2.99 shipping and handling. http://cd.netscape.com/promo\_one/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Of course *you* are not too ignorant or arrogant (take your pick) to read the very first lines on the very same page, are you? I am trying to think of a more politely worded response to the inevitable "arrogant bastard" followup e-mail - I don't suppose I could have a little help could I? I'm afraid my grasp of the Englis
I am not taking the other side here, but posting a private email to the web is really quite awful netiquette..... Christian We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive - Tomasz Sowinski 29-07-2002 ( on the number of newbie posters in the VC forum ) Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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I am not taking the other side here, but posting a private email to the web is really quite awful netiquette..... Christian We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive - Tomasz Sowinski 29-07-2002 ( on the number of newbie posters in the VC forum ) Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Christian Graus wrote: I am not taking the other side here, but posting a private email to the web is really quite awful netiquette..... :laugh:
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I am not taking the other side here, but posting a private email to the web is really quite awful netiquette..... Christian We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive - Tomasz Sowinski 29-07-2002 ( on the number of newbie posters in the VC forum ) Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Christian Graus wrote: but posting a private email to the web is really quite awful netiquette Out of curiosity, why ? Who's rule book ? I have always wondered about this. As soon as I send you a private email; as far as I'm concerned it becomes your property. However if I ask for confidentiality prior and you agree prior to me sending you information I would consider it differently. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Christian Graus wrote: but posting a private email to the web is really quite awful netiquette Out of curiosity, why ? Who's rule book ? I have always wondered about this. As soon as I send you a private email; as far as I'm concerned it becomes your property. However if I ask for confidentiality prior and you agree prior to me sending you information I would consider it differently. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
CG is right. if i send *you* an email, my expectation is that i've sent *you* an email. -c
Conservative: One who admires radicals centuries after they're dead. -- Leo C. Rosten
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CG is right. if i send *you* an email, my expectation is that i've sent *you* an email. -c
Conservative: One who admires radicals centuries after they're dead. -- Leo C. Rosten
Chris Losinger wrote: if i send *you* an email, my expectation is that i've sent *you* an email. Be assured: If I was ever so lucky as to recieve an email from Chris Losinger :-) I would by know means publish it without his permission. If I was told the email was confidential it would be treated with even more respect. I guess that's just etiquette or netiquette. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Christian Graus wrote: but posting a private email to the web is really quite awful netiquette Out of curiosity, why ? Who's rule book ? I have always wondered about this. As soon as I send you a private email; as far as I'm concerned it becomes your property. However if I ask for confidentiality prior and you agree prior to me sending you information I would consider it differently. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: As soon as I send you a private email; as far as I'm concerned it becomes your property. However if I ask for confidentiality prior and you agree prior to me sending you information I would consider it *Officially* the copyright stays in place so the originator holds the copyright. Publishing it if you did not explicitly mark it as confidential could be 'fair use'. You will not need a respose on the confidentially check for someone to 'violate' your copyright if you say it's confidential (i guess).
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CG is right. if i send *you* an email, my expectation is that i've sent *you* an email. -c
Conservative: One who admires radicals centuries after they're dead. -- Leo C. Rosten
On one hand I agree, but on the other hand, if I sent something to *you* then it's up to *you* what to do with it. Writing something on the net is much like speaking in a public place. If someone overhears and laughs -- who's fault is that? But, if I were sent an embarrasing email, it's likely that I would not print it verbatim on the net because I would like the same consideration. Not as if that matters to everyone though. Nice sig, BTW. "Did I disappoint you? Did I let you down? Did I stand on the shore and watch you as you drown? Can you forgive me? I never knew, The pain you carried deep inside of you." -Disappoint, Assemblage 23
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I am not taking the other side here, but posting a private email to the web is really quite awful netiquette..... Christian We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive - Tomasz Sowinski 29-07-2002 ( on the number of newbie posters in the VC forum ) Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Private e-mail is one thing, but this has had any identifiying information removed from it (no e-mail, and the name was abreviated). If someone has an honest gripe to air then I will take it on board, privately, but one someone chooses to make an arsehole out of themselves - especially in such a way - then they should expect to be singled out and laughed at. Good etiquette - I don't really care. There is a Confidentiality field that can be set when sending e-mail that is confidential.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
One 18yrs male, red and white, good condition; daily servicing required. £500 collect ono.
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Private e-mail is one thing, but this has had any identifiying information removed from it (no e-mail, and the name was abreviated). If someone has an honest gripe to air then I will take it on board, privately, but one someone chooses to make an arsehole out of themselves - especially in such a way - then they should expect to be singled out and laughed at. Good etiquette - I don't really care. There is a Confidentiality field that can be set when sending e-mail that is confidential.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
One 18yrs male, red and white, good condition; daily servicing required. £500 collect ono.
I feel pretty much the same way as you do about this David. Who makes these Netiquette rules anyway ? I bet its lawyers. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.