How is the browser war in your life?
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Perspx wrote:
I have to use all of them during web dev testing
Yes, I discovered some interesting things testing with all of them.
Perspx wrote:
the only real annoyance is IE, which still is the black sheep.
Strangely enough I would often find that ASP.NET worked better with Firefox than IE! Maybe this is because ASP.NET was designed to be standards compliant by default and IE not?
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Yes, I discovered some interesting things testing with all of them.
Whenever I write web apps or anything to do with JavaScript, whenever I sort out the bugs in FF, Opera and Safari, I test the damn thing in IE and I have another 20 bugs to sort out, and visa versa :mad:
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Strangely enough I would often find that ASP.NET worked better with Firefox than IE!
:laugh: that's great!
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Maybe this is because ASP.NET was designed to be standards compliant by default and IE not?
I don't know.. MS have never been one to stick to standards - they created JScript which has plagued us all for the last 10 years, for instance. Regards, --Perspx
Don't trust a computer you can't throw out a window
-- Steve Wozniak
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No, I used to hate it. But now I hate it with a vengeance. :laugh:
Kevin
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:laugh: Fair enough. The web really is a mess... :sigh: Regards, --Perspx
Don't trust a computer you can't throw out a window
-- Steve Wozniak
Unfortunately, the way things are going it seems that we may have to get our hands even more dirty with this stuff rather than less. My ideal dev scenario would be that stuff such as JavaScript, XML and SQL were completely abstracted away and that you would always code in cleaner, more elegant languages such as C#; or maybe Ruby and Python (not that I've really tried them but they seem more elegant than JavaScript).
Kevin
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Many people think a browser is a browser is a browser and see no reason to switch from whatever is their default. My own browser history (for primary browser) has been Netscape from 1994 to roughly 1998. Then IE 4 to IE 6. During that time I tried Opera as an alternative but didn't regard it as god enough to be primary. For about the past couple of years or so it's been Firefox as my No. 1. IE 7 is better than IE 6 but still doesn't cut the mustard for me for various reasons. Not yet tried Chrome and don't plan to do so for a while. Still have Opera as an alternative.
Rocky Moore wrote:
The other would be that it forgets my user name/passwords for different sites at times and I have to hunt them up again
I tried IE7 as default at work for a while earlier this year but then gave up because of this kind of thing. It kept losing my Google login. As I use the Google services constantly this was a major usability faux pas.
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Many people think a browser is a browser
Yeah, and we don't have reasons to believe otherwise, it certainly is not a spaceship :)
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Unfortunately, the way things are going it seems that we may have to get our hands even more dirty with this stuff rather than less. My ideal dev scenario would be that stuff such as JavaScript, XML and SQL were completely abstracted away and that you would always code in cleaner, more elegant languages such as C#; or maybe Ruby and Python (not that I've really tried them but they seem more elegant than JavaScript).
Kevin
Yes it is unfortunate - it is very unlikely that any of it will be replaced and new standards and formats seem to be introduced all the time which just complicates matters. Regards, --Perspx
Don't trust a computer you can't throw out a window
-- Steve Wozniak
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Since I'm not designing websites and run XP, IE7 does me fine. I've got more improtant things to deal with than a browser 'war'.
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Trollslayer wrote:
Since I'm not designing websites and run XP, IE7 does me fine.
As I said a couple of posts before: "Many people think a browser is a browser is a browser and see no reason to switch from whatever is their default." However, whether or not you're designing web sites, there can be reasons to prefer one browser or another, or one over another for some tasks. It all depends how you browse or what you do when you browse. As we are all different in this respect I fully expect that there will be many who are indifferent to choice of browser.
Kevin
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So, how goes it with you all, have you settled on a browser and all happy with it yet? With all the different browsers to choose from, are you good to go now? I switched back over to IE 7 when I started using Vista 64. So far it seems to handle everything pretty good and I have no major complaints. Love the searchbox on the for left side and have a bunch of different search providers. IE 7 seems to handle my 300 or so RSS feed pretty good and I really like the fact it is built in without the need of another app to handle feeds. My only complaints (or wish list) is I would like to be able to use more space in the frame by condensing bars better, but not a biggy. The other would be that it forgets my user name/passwords for different sites at times and I have to hunt them up again, not that big of deal either. So, what about you, what is your favorite, why, and how long have you been with it?
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I guess you like to combine ancient and new. :)
Kevin
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I guess you like to combine ancient and new. :)
Kevin
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Didn't know there were two versions. :-O I just clicked on the IE icon in the quick start bar. That shows how much I use IE. :-D
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
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So, how goes it with you all, have you settled on a browser and all happy with it yet? With all the different browsers to choose from, are you good to go now? I switched back over to IE 7 when I started using Vista 64. So far it seems to handle everything pretty good and I have no major complaints. Love the searchbox on the for left side and have a bunch of different search providers. IE 7 seems to handle my 300 or so RSS feed pretty good and I really like the fact it is built in without the need of another app to handle feeds. My only complaints (or wish list) is I would like to be able to use more space in the frame by condensing bars better, but not a biggy. The other would be that it forgets my user name/passwords for different sites at times and I have to hunt them up again, not that big of deal either. So, what about you, what is your favorite, why, and how long have you been with it?
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: One method of adding Odiogo to Subtext
There's a browser war? I use Firefox in Linux and Windows. There's no war at my house.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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So, how goes it with you all, have you settled on a browser and all happy with it yet? With all the different browsers to choose from, are you good to go now? I switched back over to IE 7 when I started using Vista 64. So far it seems to handle everything pretty good and I have no major complaints. Love the searchbox on the for left side and have a bunch of different search providers. IE 7 seems to handle my 300 or so RSS feed pretty good and I really like the fact it is built in without the need of another app to handle feeds. My only complaints (or wish list) is I would like to be able to use more space in the frame by condensing bars better, but not a biggy. The other would be that it forgets my user name/passwords for different sites at times and I have to hunt them up again, not that big of deal either. So, what about you, what is your favorite, why, and how long have you been with it?
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: One method of adding Odiogo to Subtext
Since I use linux 50% of the time I do not use IE because it is not compatible with linux. So basically at this moment my choices are opera, konqueror (KDE now works on windows), or FireFox. Out of them I run FireFox the most (over 95% of the time). And usually I have 50 or so tabs open. And recently I have been using FoxMarks to synchronize my bookmarks across the many machines I use each day.
John
modified on Sunday, September 14, 2008 9:29 AM
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So, how goes it with you all, have you settled on a browser and all happy with it yet? With all the different browsers to choose from, are you good to go now? I switched back over to IE 7 when I started using Vista 64. So far it seems to handle everything pretty good and I have no major complaints. Love the searchbox on the for left side and have a bunch of different search providers. IE 7 seems to handle my 300 or so RSS feed pretty good and I really like the fact it is built in without the need of another app to handle feeds. My only complaints (or wish list) is I would like to be able to use more space in the frame by condensing bars better, but not a biggy. The other would be that it forgets my user name/passwords for different sites at times and I have to hunt them up again, not that big of deal either. So, what about you, what is your favorite, why, and how long have you been with it?
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: One method of adding Odiogo to Subtext
Was using IE7 but made the move to Firefox about a week ago for the first time and I'm glad I did. Haven't tried Chrome. I just got sick of IE7 being really slow, taking ages "Connecting" to a blank page when first started up, some pages being very slow in it, random crashing, etc. Also recently my IE just started crashing when first loaded (along with anything else that had a dependency on it such as Outlook). Fixed it by reinstalling IE but for this to happen randomly after changing no settings or installing any other software doesn't leave a good impression. I never really liked the user interface of IE7 either - whose idea was it to place the menubar underneath the toolbar and use 2D toolbar icons that don't fit in with everything else (on XP)? Since switching to Firefox I'm glad to say I've had no crashes and through extensions have better ad blocking, flash blocking etc and things just work :)
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Dario Solera wrote:
Didn't know there were two versions. I just clicked on the IE icon in the quick start bar. That shows how much I use IE.
Then why so quick to pontificate about it?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
I didn't say a word actually. I do think, however, that IE7 is more stable than FF3, although the latter has a lot of unique addons.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
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So, how goes it with you all, have you settled on a browser and all happy with it yet? With all the different browsers to choose from, are you good to go now? I switched back over to IE 7 when I started using Vista 64. So far it seems to handle everything pretty good and I have no major complaints. Love the searchbox on the for left side and have a bunch of different search providers. IE 7 seems to handle my 300 or so RSS feed pretty good and I really like the fact it is built in without the need of another app to handle feeds. My only complaints (or wish list) is I would like to be able to use more space in the frame by condensing bars better, but not a biggy. The other would be that it forgets my user name/passwords for different sites at times and I have to hunt them up again, not that big of deal either. So, what about you, what is your favorite, why, and how long have you been with it?
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: One method of adding Odiogo to Subtext
I use FF3, IE6, Chrome, and IE7 regularly (listed in order of usage). I also do occasional testing in Opera and IE8, but not often enough to keep either installed on my main dev machine (IE7 isn't installed there either, since i need to avoid breaking IE6; i keep it installed on two secondary machines). FF3 is the workhorse. I have two profiles, one configured for research and general browsing, the other crammed full of development tools. Chrome i primarily use for Google Reader. Might end up using it for other things eventually, but haven't spent enough time with it yet to get a feel for its weak spots. IE6 gets used for testing stuff in IE6. And certain internal web sites that don't care for FF (*cough* Peoplesoft *cough*). Since all internal websites must work in IE6, I cannot upgrade it. At one time, this was my workhorse; now, as i gaze into its sad, cloudy eyes, i can only sigh and wish for it to be put out of its misery. IE7 gets used for testing IE7, and for limited browsing just to keep me familiar with its UI. It feels irritatingly sluggish compared to every other browser i run, and i'm always glad to stop using it.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
