Why do people tells that IE sucks? [modified]
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It doesn't matter whether they are OK or not, browsers other than IE try follow the standard so setting a new (and crappy) standard does not help anyone. It just means that web developers have to go through a lot of pain to make a website look OK on more than one browser at the same time and has no positive side whatsoever. Even if Microsoft would make a "richer" standard, it would still not be OK. It is not Microsoft's job to do that, and they should stay out of it.
harold aptroot wrote:
more than one browser
These standards you talk about were determined, in many cases, after IE had already created a browser experience well in advance of what was being provided by Netscape or envisioned by W3C.
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As in the topic, I'm just curious, (not pretending to start a flame war nor similar) I would like to know why, as every now and then I can see how everybody asks separated questions about that, could we conciliate all the reasons in one thread? I've been using it as my default browser (just because it came with the OS) and it has worked for me perfectly always (I only have seen one bug that makes a myriad of tabs to continue appearing even if you try to close them). So what I was asking: why it is the black sheep, why it is not working? and please avoid answers that are mere Microsoft bashing, let's be a little bit serious... (only a little please). ;) PS: I know there are several web pages out there with a lot of information on that, but they seem adverts of the other browsers, so they are not very trustworthy from my point of view... I would love to get the CPians point of view on that. As always thank you in advance. EDIT FROM HERE--> OK, I'll post a new topic resuming why do people tells that IE sucks...
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modified on Monday, September 15, 2008 5:14 AM
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It doesn't matter whether they are OK or not, browsers other than IE try follow the standard so setting a new (and crappy) standard does not help anyone. It just means that web developers have to go through a lot of pain to make a website look OK on more than one browser at the same time and has no positive side whatsoever. Even if Microsoft would make a "richer" standard, it would still not be OK. It is not Microsoft's job to do that, and they should stay out of it.
harold aptroot wrote:
Even if Microsoft would make a "richer" standard, it would still not be OK. It is not Microsoft's job to do that, and they should stay out of it.
Well, I guess it depends, it would be OK if it is a better approach... (and I'm not suggesting that it is a better approach) this is called progress... isn't it? We could discuss if the right way is to present the new option through the W3C association or not, but as an enterprise that must make money and that must maintain the "shine" of a tech company (I know, I know...) it is important to present newness in the name of themselves... PS: you say that it is crappy, so I suppose that what I've said is at least not true...
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i don't use IE because there is something much better. i like the FF because of the extensions, when it comes to the web development, for sure i will chose FF, the firebug is great, the cashing and validating extensions..... simply because there is something better
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One of the good answers here! It seems that there are options that are not available in the IE software... Thank you for your feedback...
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What a simple question: because it crashes more than all of the other apps put together.
Not for me...
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well I've personally found it pretty difficult to cope with IE from the development point of view. It has its own set of standards and doesn't give any thing like Firebug. So Developers obviously feel a lot more comfortable with FF rather than IE. Just two days ago I was watching a video about the 'cool new' features of IE 8 for developers. From their advertisements it looks as if it's gonna give a good experience to the web developers, but then again: You always need to be cynical about advertisements. Now they're bringing in even more changes in IE-8. The only good thing I see so far is it ability to change it's mode with the help of a meta tag. (I sure do hope it would work out as they're telling tough :laugh: ) With all said and done, I really think the need for standardizing the rendering behavior of all the many browsers is getting bigger and bigger as the time goes on. Let's hope for the best. :rose:
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Again it seems that the main reason why the people says that IE is not good is that the Firebug extension of the FireFox browser is a great piece of software... I agree with you regarding the standards... it is great, without leaving the innovation apart, but it is very important. Thank you for your feedback!
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Typically people use "Tech-X sucks" to gain acceptance in a new crowd. For example I could go to slashdot and say "IE sucks" and immediately be accepted as a wise and geeky new guy. Or here on CP I could say "Java sucks" or start a new petition to ban "The web developer" and immediately be one of the gang. In general (probably doesn't cover 100% of scenarios) if someone says "sucks" without following it up with a "because" it would fall into the above scenarios :-)
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkFrom now on, it's what I can see... 100% agree. But it seems that the Firebug and the standards compliance is important for a lot of people...
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Joan Murt wrote:
only have seen one bug that makes a myriad of tabs to continue appearing even if you try to close them
Got to stay away from those porn sites. :laugh:
If you don't have the data, you're just another asshole with an opinion.
AArghh! don't do that! don't say that here... :-D My poor reputation... OK, I know I didn't had one... :rolleyes:
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It doesn't matter whether they are OK or not, browsers other than IE try follow the standard so setting a new (and crappy) standard does not help anyone. It just means that web developers have to go through a lot of pain to make a website look OK on more than one browser at the same time and has no positive side whatsoever. Even if Microsoft would make a "richer" standard, it would still not be OK. It is not Microsoft's job to do that, and they should stay out of it.
I really do not agree with this completely. When you produce a produce that has over 85% of the market, then the standards should have been revised to follow what Microsoft had already implement (at least the parts without bugs). As an example, the box model in the standards should have been thrown out before it was accepted and Microsoft's view of the box model should have become the standard. Now, they have added to allow for both, quite a bit too little too late. Let the majority market leader set the standards and the others comply.
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Not for me...
Google for it and don't expect less than 1 million hits.
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Google for it and don't expect less than 1 million hits.
If you have read the whole thread, you will be able to see that not much of the answers were clear, and the ones that were clear were not so much important... The mainly conclusion is that people likes to bash Microsoft. Look at the summary thread that I made and you will be able to see it. But of course, there's always the possibility that somebody finds it unusable, but this is not the vast majority of all of us, not at least in the CP...