vista is crap
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can any of the vista fanbois please tell me how (as admin) to rename a fricking start menu item??? apparently i "need permissions" to do that!!??!! MS Vista the best Point Of Sale we've ever released :mad::mad::mad:
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
Right Click -> Rename -> type new name... It didn't ask for any UAC or anything. What were you trying to rename?
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SK Genius wrote:
Wait, you have to go through two dialog boxes
You don't have to - you can turn UAC off. Lauren says she's running as admin. Probably, she isn't. She's running as an ordinary user that is permitted to elevate to admin. The dialogs are merely asking to confirm the elevation and the rename. If you were running as an ordinary user under XP, either you wouldn't have permission to change shared Start menu items at all, or you'd have to do some complicated dance involving separate processes and run-as operations. UAC isn't there to get in the way - it's there to protect the system. And like all protections, it brings with it a reduction in convenience.
The core issue with UAC ( apart from the bugs ), is poor marketing. MS did nowhere near enough to let us know how hard it was going to be to use.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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can any of the vista fanbois please tell me how (as admin) to rename a fricking start menu item??? apparently i "need permissions" to do that!!??!! MS Vista the best Point Of Sale we've ever released :mad::mad::mad:
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
Right-click, Rename, enter new name, [Enter]. Works like charm :) [edit] Although I do have UAC turned off. [/edit]
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The core issue with UAC ( apart from the bugs ), is poor marketing. MS did nowhere near enough to let us know how hard it was going to be to use.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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The core issue with UAC ( apart from the bugs ), is poor marketing. MS did nowhere near enough to let us know how hard it was going to be to use.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
...marketing. MS...
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can any of the vista fanbois please tell me how (as admin) to rename a fricking start menu item??? apparently i "need permissions" to do that!!??!! MS Vista the best Point Of Sale we've ever released :mad::mad::mad:
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
l a u r e n wrote:
please tell me how (as admin) to rename a fricking start menu item???
I am not a fanboy, but then if you use it at all I guess the Vista Critics call you a fanboy. If you don't hate it, then obviously you must be a fan. Anyhow... I right clicked, chose rename, typed in the name, hit enter.... no fuss, no mess, no UAC warnings (and UAC is not disabled). It was no different than under XP. Vista Ultimate 64bit, full out, 4 cores, UAC defaults, no special patches or disabled features.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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I've tried to rename files, been asked for a password three times, then told I was not allowed to do it.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
I've tried to rename files, been asked for a password three times, then told I was not allowed to do it.
I renamed 3 files today, and even renamed one of the startup items to test this. I don't know what people set up their systems to do, but I can't reproduce 90% of the Vista problems. I can't tell you why you are having problems, I know that doesn't help, but it is the truth.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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I've tried to rename files, been asked for a password three times, then told I was not allowed to do it.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
I've tried to rename files, been asked for a password three times, then told I was not allowed to do it
That's because Vista hates you. You haven't shown enough obsequiousness to it.
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Christian Graus wrote:
MS did nowhere near enough to let us know how hard it was going to be to use.
Pressing Alt+C is hard? :rolleyes:
Ed.Poore wrote:
Pressing Alt+C is hard?
Yes. It's a two-handed operation on my keyboard.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I've tried to rename files, been asked for a password three times, then told I was not allowed to do it.
I renamed 3 files today, and even renamed one of the startup items to test this. I don't know what people set up their systems to do, but I can't reproduce 90% of the Vista problems. I can't tell you why you are having problems, I know that doesn't help, but it is the truth.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
Actually, that issue is easy to reproduce. It's caused by MS overloading the meaning of E_ACCESSDENIED. You try to rename the file, but it's still in use -> E_ACCESSDENIED. Explorer thinks: hmm, maybe it's a permission problem? -> UAC prompt -> but of course the file is still in use. So, for a file that one normally can delete without UAC prompt when it's not in use, one has to accept a UAC prompt just to see an error message. EDIT: some files work correctly ("File cannot be deleted because its still in use"), this error is only reproducible with some file types (e.g. try deleting a running .exe).
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You can always try Windows Mojave. :laugh:
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can any of the vista fanbois please tell me how (as admin) to rename a fricking start menu item??? apparently i "need permissions" to do that!!??!! MS Vista the best Point Of Sale we've ever released :mad::mad::mad:
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
Apparently, if the item you are trying to rename is in the All Users's Start Menu, you need administrator rights. If it lives in the user's Start Menu, you can do it without special priviledges. If you need admin rights, then you'll get a UAC prompt. Otherwise, you won't. However, when I installed Office, I wanted to rename "Microsoft Office Excel 2007" to simply "Excel" and I found out that turning UAC off, restarting, doing all the renames, turning UAC on and restaring again was faster than renaming each item and going through several UAC prompts. In my experience, when I want to do some configuration, I always turn UAC off. But for everyday use, having it on rarely produces a prompt.
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SK Genius wrote:
Wait, you have to go through two dialog boxes
You don't have to - you can turn UAC off. Lauren says she's running as admin. Probably, she isn't. She's running as an ordinary user that is permitted to elevate to admin. The dialogs are merely asking to confirm the elevation and the rename. If you were running as an ordinary user under XP, either you wouldn't have permission to change shared Start menu items at all, or you'd have to do some complicated dance involving separate processes and run-as operations. UAC isn't there to get in the way - it's there to protect the system. And like all protections, it brings with it a reduction in convenience.
actually yes you are right but UAC is disabled
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
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Apparently, if the item you are trying to rename is in the All Users's Start Menu, you need administrator rights. If it lives in the user's Start Menu, you can do it without special priviledges. If you need admin rights, then you'll get a UAC prompt. Otherwise, you won't. However, when I installed Office, I wanted to rename "Microsoft Office Excel 2007" to simply "Excel" and I found out that turning UAC off, restarting, doing all the renames, turning UAC on and restaring again was faster than renaming each item and going through several UAC prompts. In my experience, when I want to do some configuration, I always turn UAC off. But for everyday use, having it on rarely produces a prompt.
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico My Blog!
yah ... i have UAC off and i get "you need permission to rename the item" and it fails ... every time i absolutely loathe and detest the vista security crap ... otherwise its a pretty usable OS
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
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Christian Graus wrote:
I've tried to rename files, been asked for a password three times, then told I was not allowed to do it.
I renamed 3 files today, and even renamed one of the startup items to test this. I don't know what people set up their systems to do, but I can't reproduce 90% of the Vista problems. I can't tell you why you are having problems, I know that doesn't help, but it is the truth.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
I assume that there are variables in play. However I am certainly talking about issues that I have had on numerous machines, mine and clients. I suspect some of these issues have been fixed in SP1. I was just too badly burned by Vista previously to take the time to try using it with SP1, I would just prefer to stick with stuff I know works.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Christian Graus wrote:
MS did nowhere near enough to let us know how hard it was going to be to use.
Pressing Alt+C is hard? :rolleyes:
You're saying that if I were to press this key combination , all the bugs in Vista, all the ways it fights the user, creates magic file systems, blocks programs from working and generally sucks, would disappear ? wow. That's a hell of a shortcut. Why is it not the default ?
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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actually yes you are right but UAC is disabled
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
disabling UAC opens up a whole new can of worms, as I recall.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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I assume that there are variables in play. However I am certainly talking about issues that I have had on numerous machines, mine and clients. I suspect some of these issues have been fixed in SP1. I was just too badly burned by Vista previously to take the time to try using it with SP1, I would just prefer to stick with stuff I know works.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
I was just too badly burned by Vista previously to take the time to try using it with SP1, I would just prefer to stick with stuff I know works.
I fully understand the reasoning, and it is logical per se. However, what I do know is we have all been through this before. XP was crap before SP1, therefor we would never have had XP to be happy with it if we followed this logic before. We might think we would have Windows 2000 except it was crap before too. 98 was crap when it was released, 95a was crap until 95b was released, no matter how far back you go there have been fixes. You might as well pull out an abacus, except I am sure the first of those were crap too. you say customer machines, what did you do tell your customer Vista is crap and install XP to fix a problem? how is that fixing it per se? sure the logic seems sound, except we would have no computers today if we followed this logic. What happened to us? When did we get burned out and tell our customers how to solve problems by backtracking? If we NEVER work out the problems the problems never get worked out! I had Vista before SP1, and I fixed half the copy problems that everyone complained about. The other half I found a tool that worked well without installing XP again. Drives I harassed the hardware provider rather than Microsoft. Since when does MS control Texas Instruments? I beta tested Vista and thus my work hardware was fully supported by the time I got it at home. Unfortunately I hadn't tested it at home except in virtual machines, so virtual machines were more stable than my home hardware. But if none of us ever test it, none of it gets supported. If none of us reports the hell out of the errors nothing ever gets fixed. If none of us ever do anything about the problems, the problems still remain! I fully understand your frustration, I just don't understand how we would ever have XP that you love now if we followed this logic in the past. I beta tested XP, I beta tested 2000, I beta tested Vista. I reported the hell out of errors in 2000, XP, and Vista. I have been through this so many times it all looks the same, because it is all the same. We would always have crap unless we use it, test it, report it and someone fixes it. We can complain to MS about the latter WHEN it is their problem.... When it is 3rd party software, 3rd party drivers or our own software we complain to the respective parties... including ourselves. If my customers want Vista, I don't tell th
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disabling UAC opens up a whole new can of worms, as I recall.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
how retarded is it that disabling UAC disables OS functionality without any warnings??!! :wtf:
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
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l a u r e n wrote:
please tell me how (as admin) to rename a fricking start menu item???
I am not a fanboy, but then if you use it at all I guess the Vista Critics call you a fanboy. If you don't hate it, then obviously you must be a fan. Anyhow... I right clicked, chose rename, typed in the name, hit enter.... no fuss, no mess, no UAC warnings (and UAC is not disabled). It was no different than under XP. Vista Ultimate 64bit, full out, 4 cores, UAC defaults, no special patches or disabled features.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
can i have your copy of vista?? i do the same thing and either get a bunch of prompts popping up from UAC, or (with UAC disabled) a prompt then fail with no explanation
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"