HP OS to Counter Vista.
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but unlike Apple, how would they find fanbois that WANT it?
How many people here would kill for a dependable guaranteed compatible Linux-based system? If a small number of big-name hardware manufacturers (including HP, Dell, Gateway, and Lenovo) got behind this, they could make Linux a true contender for the desktop.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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The article raises the question about putting HP Linux on a Dell (or just making it generally available). All HP has to do is what Apple did - support just their hardware (through proprietary modules that DO NOT need to have the source distributed) and a limited subset of add-on hardware. Then, they can make it generally available (honoring the Linux license) and will run like crap on anything but a genuine HP system.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001True generally speaking, however, the fact is that a lot of Windows instability is caused by HP not configuring your OS correctly and/or pre-loading your machine with a lot of crap-wear. Just an example: Couple of years ago, my sister bought an HP desktop. It came with about 300Mb of installed drivers for HP printers. Never mind the fact you might not be using HP printer at all. I doubt that HP can command premium price if they move their hardware to Linux. In fact, they pass the cost of the OS to the buyer possibly even making a profit. If they move to Linux, they'll have the extra costs of maintaining the OS that combined with user entrenchment and user reluctance to switch OSes might actually cost HP money. In fact, the way for them to go is to stop installing crap-wear and optimize your configuration.
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but unlike Apple, how would they find fanbois that WANT it?
HP FTW!!!11!111!1!
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How many people here would kill for a dependable guaranteed compatible Linux-based system? If a small number of big-name hardware manufacturers (including HP, Dell, Gateway, and Lenovo) got behind this, they could make Linux a true contender for the desktop.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001That would require them to agree on something... not a thing that big business has proven they are capable of doing.
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True generally speaking, however, the fact is that a lot of Windows instability is caused by HP not configuring your OS correctly and/or pre-loading your machine with a lot of crap-wear. Just an example: Couple of years ago, my sister bought an HP desktop. It came with about 300Mb of installed drivers for HP printers. Never mind the fact you might not be using HP printer at all. I doubt that HP can command premium price if they move their hardware to Linux. In fact, they pass the cost of the OS to the buyer possibly even making a profit. If they move to Linux, they'll have the extra costs of maintaining the OS that combined with user entrenchment and user reluctance to switch OSes might actually cost HP money. In fact, the way for them to go is to stop installing crap-wear and optimize your configuration.
Not to mention linux to the consumer is working so well, dell recently stopped offering it at all. They still sell it via corporate channels but those customers are probably not going to be interested in experimenting with new distros on production servers.
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True generally speaking, however, the fact is that a lot of Windows instability is caused by HP not configuring your OS correctly and/or pre-loading your machine with a lot of crap-wear. Just an example: Couple of years ago, my sister bought an HP desktop. It came with about 300Mb of installed drivers for HP printers. Never mind the fact you might not be using HP printer at all. I doubt that HP can command premium price if they move their hardware to Linux. In fact, they pass the cost of the OS to the buyer possibly even making a profit. If they move to Linux, they'll have the extra costs of maintaining the OS that combined with user entrenchment and user reluctance to switch OSes might actually cost HP money. In fact, the way for them to go is to stop installing crap-wear and optimize your configuration.
VentsyV wrote:
It came with about 300Mb of installed drivers for HP printers.
To be fair, that was a single driver install... :rolleyes:
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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True generally speaking, however, the fact is that a lot of Windows instability is caused by HP not configuring your OS correctly and/or pre-loading your machine with a lot of crap-wear. Just an example: Couple of years ago, my sister bought an HP desktop. It came with about 300Mb of installed drivers for HP printers. Never mind the fact you might not be using HP printer at all. I doubt that HP can command premium price if they move their hardware to Linux. In fact, they pass the cost of the OS to the buyer possibly even making a profit. If they move to Linux, they'll have the extra costs of maintaining the OS that combined with user entrenchment and user reluctance to switch OSes might actually cost HP money. In fact, the way for them to go is to stop installing crap-wear and optimize your configuration.
VentsyV wrote:
In fact, the way for them to go is to stop installing crap-wear and optimize your configuration.
Don't they get money for installing trial versions of software on the machines they sell?
John
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but unlike Apple, how would they find fanbois that WANT it?
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VentsyV wrote:
In fact, the way for them to go is to stop installing crap-wear and optimize your configuration.
Don't they get money for installing trial versions of software on the machines they sell?
John
Perhaps, but I expect most buyers would rather spend more and get less. :~ Most Code Projectors generally wipe the hard drives anyway. HP already provides the best OS there is -- OpenVMS ! (Free to hobbyists too.) :jig:
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How many people here would kill for a dependable guaranteed compatible Linux-based system? If a small number of big-name hardware manufacturers (including HP, Dell, Gateway, and Lenovo) got behind this, they could make Linux a true contender for the desktop.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
How many people here would kill for a dependable guaranteed compatible Linux-based system? If a small number of big-name hardware manufacturers (including HP, Dell, Gateway, and Lenovo) got behind this, they could make Linux a true contender for the desktop.
Didn't Lenovo just decide stop preloading Linux on some of their boxes?
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One more os? HP OS to Counter Vista.[^]
Oh. Joy. HP can't write a damn fill-in-the-blank, table-driven device driver for cryin' out loud, and now they think they can configure an operating system to run on their hardware? It's a wonder their corporate headquarters building doesn't collapse, they're all stroking themselves so heavily.
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That would require them to agree on something... not a thing that big business has proven they are capable of doing.
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One more os? HP OS to Counter Vista.[^]
Whoa, whoa, WHOA! Whenever I buy an HP, I have to wipe it and install the OS again. This would definitely be an endless loop! :)
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Whoa, whoa, WHOA! Whenever I buy an HP, I have to wipe it and install the OS again. This would definitely be an endless loop! :)
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Hmmm you are the first person I know of who does that!!! Guess we should start following your footsteps and get a cleaner/faster system.
Do you mean buy an HP, or wipe it? :laugh:
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How many people here would kill for a dependable guaranteed compatible Linux-based system? If a small number of big-name hardware manufacturers (including HP, Dell, Gateway, and Lenovo) got behind this, they could make Linux a true contender for the desktop.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001"How many people here would kill for a dependable guaranteed compatible Linux based system?" and pay the same as Windows for it?...... I find the whole Linux discussion to be very odd. After some initial success the progress of the operating system seems to have fragmented into a million shards, and implicit in Johns post the different options are no more reliable than the commercial alternatives. It seems to me that the Linux community is split into 2 main groups: 1. Those who have religion about Operating Systems. 2. Those who are unwilling/can't afford to pay for software but have an abundance of cheap labor to handle the configuration of freeware If you take group 2 out of the equation I suspect the answer to your question is "very few". Group2 sounds like the 3rd World and education.
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One more os? HP OS to Counter Vista.[^]
Whoopie! Another distro, another nail in Linux's bed. How about backing one of the established ones?
He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes. He who does not ask a question remains a fool forever. [Chineese Proverb] Jonathan C Dickinson (C# Software Engineer)
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One more os? HP OS to Counter Vista.[^]
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"How many people here would kill for a dependable guaranteed compatible Linux based system?" and pay the same as Windows for it?...... I find the whole Linux discussion to be very odd. After some initial success the progress of the operating system seems to have fragmented into a million shards, and implicit in Johns post the different options are no more reliable than the commercial alternatives. It seems to me that the Linux community is split into 2 main groups: 1. Those who have religion about Operating Systems. 2. Those who are unwilling/can't afford to pay for software but have an abundance of cheap labor to handle the configuration of freeware If you take group 2 out of the equation I suspect the answer to your question is "very few". Group2 sounds like the 3rd World and education.
Andrew Wiles wrote:
Group2 sounds like the 3rd World and education.
3rd world, education, and emergency services in the USA. the latter generally get lower budgets than education.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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Perhaps, but I expect most buyers would rather spend more and get less. :~ Most Code Projectors generally wipe the hard drives anyway. HP already provides the best OS there is -- OpenVMS ! (Free to hobbyists too.) :jig:
I started working with VMS at Version V2 :sigh: :omg:
