Islamic terrorism : cutting off the money
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Weapons are not that expensive - everybody wanting to fight find easily an AK47, and that's relatively cheap. For the money, there are plenty of solutions: personal fortune like Ben Laden, poppy or coca cultivation like the Afghan warlords or the FARC, or good old ransom (aka 'the revolutionary tax' as ETA calls it). anyway, you don't need that much money to become a terrorist. As the joke says, Q: What is terrorism? A: Violence committed by people without an air force. Terrorism is artisanal violence.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
they won't be able to do as much damage as they do presently.
Do they make that much damage? The damage they cause are really minor compared to a war, a hurricane or a earthquake. Terrorism kills way less than car accidents, or tobacco for instance. It's the impact on the media who does matter, the action is multiplied by the psychological effect.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
Ka?l wrote:
a hurricane or a earthquake
Yes, but it is harder to cut off the funds of the above then terrorsts' funds (I think).
In January you said "money in April" B. Python
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Actually US supported any gang which created disturbance in world. Like US support Jewish extremist in Israel by funding them, supporting Georgians against Russia, supporting Indian RAW and Afghanis against Pakistan. The list goes on and on.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
supported any gang which created disturbance
Speaking from personal experience?
In January you said "money in April" B. Python
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Weapons are not that expensive - everybody wanting to fight find easily an AK47, and that's relatively cheap. For the money, there are plenty of solutions: personal fortune like Ben Laden, poppy or coca cultivation like the Afghan warlords or the FARC, or good old ransom (aka 'the revolutionary tax' as ETA calls it). anyway, you don't need that much money to become a terrorist. As the joke says, Q: What is terrorism? A: Violence committed by people without an air force. Terrorism is artisanal violence.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
they won't be able to do as much damage as they do presently.
Do they make that much damage? The damage they cause are really minor compared to a war, a hurricane or a earthquake. Terrorism kills way less than car accidents, or tobacco for instance. It's the impact on the media who does matter, the action is multiplied by the psychological effect.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
Ka?l wrote:
The damage they cause are really minor compared to a war
Number of estimated Iraqi dead, killed by invaders: from 7,600 (Project on Defense Alternatives ) - 45,000 (Guardian) number of estimated Iraqi dead from terrorism: from 90,000 (IBC) to 655,000 (Lancet) note that all sources can be considered somewhat left-wing and anti-war. Terrorism casualties include so-called insurgency, civil war-related, etc - essentially all deaths not caused by Coalition or reconstituted Iraqi forces
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Actually US supported any gang which created disturbance in world. Like US support Jewish extremist in Israel by funding them, supporting Georgians against Russia, supporting Indian RAW and Afghanis against Pakistan. The list goes on and on.
Hmm... "created disturbance"... That's how you view self defense? When is your date with 72 virgins anyway?
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Ka?l wrote:
The damage they cause are really minor compared to a war
Number of estimated Iraqi dead, killed by invaders: from 7,600 (Project on Defense Alternatives ) - 45,000 (Guardian) number of estimated Iraqi dead from terrorism: from 90,000 (IBC) to 655,000 (Lancet) note that all sources can be considered somewhat left-wing and anti-war. Terrorism casualties include so-called insurgency, civil war-related, etc - essentially all deaths not caused by Coalition or reconstituted Iraqi forces
Gary Owen wrote:
number of estimated Iraqi dead from terrorism: from 90,000 (IBC) to 655,000 (Lancet)
From terrorism? show me the link. The lancet study was about 'war casualties', not about 'deadth by terrorist attacks'. IBC reports all civilian deaths, not people killed in terrorist actions. Thanks to the US invasion, there's a civil war going on in Iraq you know.
Gary Owen wrote:
Terrorism casualties include so-called insurgency, civil war-related, etc - essentially all deaths not caused by Coalition or reconstituted Iraqi forces
This is not true - From the IBC overview page, "This is an ongoing human security project which maintains and updates the world’s only independent and comprehensive public database of media-reported civilian deaths in Iraq that have resulted from the 2003 military intervention by the USA and its allies. The count includes civilian deaths caused by coalition military action and by military or paramilitary responses to the coalition presence (e.g. insurgent and terrorist attacks). It also includes excess civilian deaths caused by criminal action resulting from the breakdown in law and order which followed the coalition invasion"
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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Where do Islamic terrorists get so much money and weapons from? Instead of trying to fight them, wouldn't it be a more practical approach to try and find the sources of money and then cut the source out? Without strong financial backup, they won't be able to do as much damage as they do presently.
Regards, Nish
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try and find the sources of money and then cut the source out
Would be difficult to track back through all the different hands the money would have exchanged.
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Where do Islamic terrorists get so much money and weapons from? Instead of trying to fight them, wouldn't it be a more practical approach to try and find the sources of money and then cut the source out? Without strong financial backup, they won't be able to do as much damage as they do presently.
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link -
Weapons are not that expensive - everybody wanting to fight find easily an AK47, and that's relatively cheap. For the money, there are plenty of solutions: personal fortune like Ben Laden, poppy or coca cultivation like the Afghan warlords or the FARC, or good old ransom (aka 'the revolutionary tax' as ETA calls it). anyway, you don't need that much money to become a terrorist. As the joke says, Q: What is terrorism? A: Violence committed by people without an air force. Terrorism is artisanal violence.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
they won't be able to do as much damage as they do presently.
Do they make that much damage? The damage they cause are really minor compared to a war, a hurricane or a earthquake. Terrorism kills way less than car accidents, or tobacco for instance. It's the impact on the media who does matter, the action is multiplied by the psychological effect.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
Ka?l wrote:
Q: What is terrorism? A: Violence committed by people without an air force.
I understand it was meant to be a joke, but the LTTE has a small airforce.
Cheers, Vıkram.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Without strong financial backup
Not much money is required for terroristic activities. How much do you think was required for 9/11 not more that 100,000 dollars I believe.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
wouldn't it be a more practical approach to try and find the sources of money and then cut the source out?
As far as the sources of money go. Oil is probably a big one. Each time you fill up your tank some portion of the money you spent may be going to some terrorist indirectly.
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I did a "back of a napkin" thought experiment on that too, though I came out closer to $250k for the whole op. or half the cost of a cruise missle.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
supported any gang which created disturbance
Speaking from personal experience?
In January you said "money in April" B. Python
yes. we have a leftist gang called MQM which is responsible to kill many civilians. they were funded by both US and India.
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Hmm... "created disturbance"... That's how you view self defense? When is your date with 72 virgins anyway?
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accept same definition of "Self defense" by your oponents too . :doh:
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Since yo said truth and about US so no one has balls to admit it.
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Since yo said truth and about US so no one has balls to admit it.
Oh, they know that. There are 5 countries who keep the black market alive and the US is #1, but that doesn't make all Americans guilty. Just like that doesn't make all Muslims terrorists, even though some people here may believe that. P.S. - You have changed from the Adnan who posted a long time ago. You're more angry these days. Everything okay?
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accept same definition of "Self defense" by your oponents too . :doh:
Will it make you happy if everyone who doesn't think exactly like just lays down and dies? Or would that deny you the pleasure of killing everyone. You are so blind you are destined for a horrible short life. How in the hell do you see Georgia as an aggressor? Nevermind, it's probably best if I don't have to witness the inner workings of your twisted little mind.
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Ka?l wrote:
Q: What is terrorism? A: Violence committed by people without an air force.
I understand it was meant to be a joke, but the LTTE has a small airforce.
Cheers, Vıkram.
"if abusing me makes you a credible then i better give u the chance which didnt get in real" - Adnan Siddiqi.
True[^], and it has a navy too[^] If they loose this war they will be labeled terrorists, if they win it, they will be a heroic liberation army.
Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?
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True[^], and it has a navy too[^] If they loose this war they will be labeled terrorists, if they win it, they will be a heroic liberation army.
Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?
Ka?l wrote:
If they loose this war they will be labeled terrorists, if they win it, they will be a heroic liberation army.
I think that Ben Franklin said something like that to Thomas Jefferson - except he was using the pronoun, "we."
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Oh, they know that. There are 5 countries who keep the black market alive and the US is #1, but that doesn't make all Americans guilty. Just like that doesn't make all Muslims terrorists, even though some people here may believe that. P.S. - You have changed from the Adnan who posted a long time ago. You're more angry these days. Everything okay?
He's upset that he's tried to enter into a number of discussions and has been found incapable of defending his world view. He compensates my shouting his views louder and hoping for volume to replace substance.
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