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  • J John M Drescher

    I'll do it for $75 / hour / per person.

    John

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    Dan Neely
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    OK Your contract terms specify the application must be finished within a single billable hour.

    Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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      Web dev wins by a nose, simply by managing to stay slightly less insane than Win32/WinForms. Frankly though, i much prefer dev that doesn't consist primarily of working around bad design decisions in the platform.

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      You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.

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      Nemanja Trifunovic
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      Shog9 wrote:

      i much prefer dev that doesn't consist primarily of working around bad design decisions in the platform.

      Meh, at least there is no CSS in desktop development.

      Programming Blog utf8-cpp

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      • E El Corazon

        next or first? ;P

        _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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        Dan Neely
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        From times rac was flogged on the lounge I know there're people in Eastern Europe making good money by local standards from it. Granted their COL is probably only 10% of ours, but I'd still call them success stories. If you mean the first in a 1st world economy you might have a point. :rolleyes:

        Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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        • R Ravi Bhavnani

          Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

          I just use these languages, play with their feelings and then dump them.

          That's plain cruel and heartless. When I enter into a relationship with a language or technology, it's for the long haul. We communicate, share, and grow together, in the hope of achieving a perfect union. Oh wait, I'm talking about set theory. :laugh: /ravi

          My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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          Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

          a relationship

          -20 man points.

          Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

          We communicate

          -30 man points

          Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

          share

          -40 man points

          Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

          grow together

          -50 man points

          Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

          in the hope of achieving a perfect union.

          Integer overflow...

          Programming Blog utf8-cpp

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          • N Nemanja Trifunovic

            Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

            a relationship

            -20 man points.

            Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

            We communicate

            -30 man points

            Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

            share

            -40 man points

            Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

            grow together

            -50 man points

            Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

            in the hope of achieving a perfect union.

            Integer overflow...

            Programming Blog utf8-cpp

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            Ravi Bhavnani
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            Drat, I thought my comment about set theory would catch the exception. /ravi

            My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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            • N Nemanja Trifunovic

              Shog9 wrote:

              i much prefer dev that doesn't consist primarily of working around bad design decisions in the platform.

              Meh, at least there is no CSS in desktop development.

              Programming Blog utf8-cpp

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              Shog9 0
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              I use MSHTML to implement forms in some desktop apps... so... ;-P

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              You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.

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              • M meenakumar

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                Tomz_KV
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                Web is more challenging. The direction the web is heading is to have a rich user experience like Windows does. But it will not be easy.

                TOMZ_KV

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                • R Ravi Bhavnani

                  leonej_dt wrote:

                  And nothing will ever replace C++ as my favorite language.

                  I felt the same way until I started working in Java. Some years later I moved to a .NET shop, and fell in love with C# (and the .NET framwork). Who knows what's next? :-D /ravi

                  My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                  Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                  Java

                  Uggghhh! Java is safer, but at the expense of expressiveness and raw power. I thought programming languages were for us people to tell computers what to do, not for computers to tell us what not to do.

                  Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                  C#

                  The same thing goes for C#.

                  If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.

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                  • D Dan Neely

                    Let me introduce you then. "I'll give you $75 to make a site like ebay only better" El Corazon, this is bad money. Bad Money, El Corazon. :laugh:

                    Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                    Pawel Krakowiak
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                    dan neely wrote:

                    "I'll give you $75 to make a site like ebay only better"

                    I would agree, but would ask them to provide me with every single item sold on eBay, as I need this for testing.

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                      I use MSHTML to implement forms in some desktop apps... so... ;-P

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                      You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.

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                      Nemanja Trifunovic
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                      Shog9 wrote:

                      so...

                      So you get the worst of both world. +10 man points for you :)

                      Programming Blog utf8-cpp

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                      • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                        Shog9 wrote:

                        so...

                        So you get the worst of both world. +10 man points for you :)

                        Programming Blog utf8-cpp

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                        :laugh:

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                        You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.

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                          Uros Calakovic
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                          meenakumar wrote:

                          windows or web development?? why? does c++ has scope still? or should I turn to dot net?

                          Forget programming. Write haiku. Regards.

                          In January you said "money in April" B. Python

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                          • E El Corazon

                            Harvey Saayman wrote:

                            Your going to start a language war

                            Cobol.net! ;P ;P ;P

                            _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                            brainfuck.NET

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                            • D Dan Neely

                              OK Your contract terms specify the application must be finished within a single billable hour.

                              Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                              John M Drescher
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                              :laugh: I was thinking of more like 100K billable hours.

                              John

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                              • D Dan Neely

                                From times rac was flogged on the lounge I know there're people in Eastern Europe making good money by local standards from it. Granted their COL is probably only 10% of ours, but I'd still call them success stories. If you mean the first in a 1st world economy you might have a point. :rolleyes:

                                Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                                El Corazon
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                                dan neely wrote:

                                If you mean the first in a 1st world economy you might have a point. Roll eyes

                                I really don't feel like moving to Eastern Europe just to take a contract. :-D So I guess I am stuck in the 1st world. :)

                                _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                                  meenakumar wrote:

                                  windows or web development?

                                  It all boils down to client requirement rather than personal preference.

                                  "The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham

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                                    From times rac was flogged on the lounge I know there're people in Eastern Europe making good money by local standards from it. Granted their COL is probably only 10% of ours, but I'd still call them success stories. If you mean the first in a 1st world economy you might have a point. :rolleyes:

                                    Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                                    Nemanja Trifunovic
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                                    dan neely wrote:

                                    Granted their COL is probably only 10% of ours

                                    Not at all these days. For instance, Moscow and St Petersburg are both more expensive places to live than New York City. Budapest, Prague, Belgrade and other big Eastern Europe's cities are not much behind.

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                                      Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                                      I can only speak for myself, but desktop seems far less stressful and more flexible than web. The last web project we did (a K2.NET workflow solution) was a pain on so many levels - none of which would have been an issue on the desktop. Then again, my idea of fun is writing plug-in code for Visual Studio in C++/WTL, so what would I know...? :rolleyes:

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                                      • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                                        dan neely wrote:

                                        Granted their COL is probably only 10% of ours

                                        Not at all these days. For instance, Moscow and St Petersburg are both more expensive places to live than New York City. Budapest, Prague, Belgrade and other big Eastern Europe's cities are not much behind.

                                        Programming Blog utf8-cpp

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                                        Dan Neely
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                                        If that's not scaled to represent living expenses as a fraction of wages I'd like to see a cite, since it goes against what I've heard from, someone who was until a year or so ago, a Muscovite.

                                        Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                                        • P Pawel Krakowiak

                                          dan neely wrote:

                                          "I'll give you $75 to make a site like ebay only better"

                                          I would agree, but would ask them to provide me with every single item sold on eBay, as I need this for testing.

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                                          Dan Neely
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                                          OK. But you have to buy them yourself and bill them against the total balance of the contract. We are not responsible for cost overruns on your end.

                                          Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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