Do you have a pirated copy of XP handy?
-
It amazes me how eBay gets by with people pushing pirated software without any action. Not just their part, but it would seem that software companies would hire someone to monitor this and attach those that do the most. Here is an example, this laptop comes with about a $1,000 of software.. Hmmm.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-600YGR-1-6Ghz-512MB-80GB-16-LCD-Combo- Drive_W0QQitemZ140266638428QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140266638428&_trkparms= 72%3A1156%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14[^] Current bid is $112.50 If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal :) I know our world has changed, but really, this just seems wrong and so many levels!
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
-
It amazes me how eBay gets by with people pushing pirated software without any action. Not just their part, but it would seem that software companies would hire someone to monitor this and attach those that do the most. Here is an example, this laptop comes with about a $1,000 of software.. Hmmm.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-600YGR-1-6Ghz-512MB-80GB-16-LCD-Combo- Drive_W0QQitemZ140266638428QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140266638428&_trkparms= 72%3A1156%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14[^] Current bid is $112.50 If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal :) I know our world has changed, but really, this just seems wrong and so many levels!
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
Rocky Moore wrote:
If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal
Totally. The problem is how do you prove any theft. All he really has to do is claim that he will ship the original media and his backups for the software. It would be pretty difficult for organizations such as BSA to purchase all of these laptops. :)
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
-
It amazes me how eBay gets by with people pushing pirated software without any action. Not just their part, but it would seem that software companies would hire someone to monitor this and attach those that do the most. Here is an example, this laptop comes with about a $1,000 of software.. Hmmm.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-600YGR-1-6Ghz-512MB-80GB-16-LCD-Combo- Drive_W0QQitemZ140266638428QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140266638428&_trkparms= 72%3A1156%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14[^] Current bid is $112.50 If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal :) I know our world has changed, but really, this just seems wrong and so many levels!
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
Hardware is kind of funny. Most people seem to understand that it depreciates rapidly. They sell their machines with whatever software it came with when they bought them. They don't realize that the software is worth more than the hardware and that the software licenses can be used for upgrades at reduced cost. Most don't understand licensing anyways. I recently bought two IBM xSeries rack servers that are pretty capable on their own, for $250. One had a Windows 2003 R2 5 client license and the other had a Windows 2003 Datacenter 25 client license. What a deal. It was like getting the hardware for free and having them pay me a few bucks!!
-
It amazes me how eBay gets by with people pushing pirated software without any action. Not just their part, but it would seem that software companies would hire someone to monitor this and attach those that do the most. Here is an example, this laptop comes with about a $1,000 of software.. Hmmm.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-600YGR-1-6Ghz-512MB-80GB-16-LCD-Combo- Drive_W0QQitemZ140266638428QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140266638428&_trkparms= 72%3A1156%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14[^] Current bid is $112.50 If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal :) I know our world has changed, but really, this just seems wrong and so many levels!
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
-
It amazes me how eBay gets by with people pushing pirated software without any action. Not just their part, but it would seem that software companies would hire someone to monitor this and attach those that do the most. Here is an example, this laptop comes with about a $1,000 of software.. Hmmm.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-600YGR-1-6Ghz-512MB-80GB-16-LCD-Combo- Drive_W0QQitemZ140266638428QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140266638428&_trkparms= 72%3A1156%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14[^] Current bid is $112.50 If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal :) I know our world has changed, but really, this just seems wrong and so many levels!
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
Why there are no pirated books? Because the paper is expensive, the copying is expensive and probably the book will be destroyed if you scan the entire content. The software industry needs from a different way of distributing for their products. Some specific format, specific input device dedicated only for installing and running the new software, no possibility for copy the content to another media. If you loose your media/flash or whatever keeps your software you need to buy another one – the same like the books.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
-
It amazes me how eBay gets by with people pushing pirated software without any action. Not just their part, but it would seem that software companies would hire someone to monitor this and attach those that do the most. Here is an example, this laptop comes with about a $1,000 of software.. Hmmm.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-600YGR-1-6Ghz-512MB-80GB-16-LCD-Combo- Drive_W0QQitemZ140266638428QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140266638428&_trkparms= 72%3A1156%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14[^] Current bid is $112.50 If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal :) I know our world has changed, but really, this just seems wrong and so many levels!
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
Rocky Moore wrote:
If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal Smile
You're assuming he bought the software new, that it's not bound to the machine (IIRC bundled copies of office are), and that he realizes a new (or near new) copy of photoshop is worth more sold separately. If it was still open, and I knew it was legit I'd've probably bid it up to $200ish mostly for the photoshop license.
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
-
Hardware is kind of funny. Most people seem to understand that it depreciates rapidly. They sell their machines with whatever software it came with when they bought them. They don't realize that the software is worth more than the hardware and that the software licenses can be used for upgrades at reduced cost. Most don't understand licensing anyways. I recently bought two IBM xSeries rack servers that are pretty capable on their own, for $250. One had a Windows 2003 R2 5 client license and the other had a Windows 2003 Datacenter 25 client license. What a deal. It was like getting the hardware for free and having them pay me a few bucks!!
Hmm. Is this permitted with microsoft software? I thought it was all non-transferable?
John
-
Why there are no pirated books? Because the paper is expensive, the copying is expensive and probably the book will be destroyed if you scan the entire content. The software industry needs from a different way of distributing for their products. Some specific format, specific input device dedicated only for installing and running the new software, no possibility for copy the content to another media. If you loose your media/flash or whatever keeps your software you need to buy another one – the same like the books.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
The software industry needs from a different way of distributing for their products. Some specific format, specific input device dedicated only for installing and running the new software, no possibility for copy the content to another media. If you loose your media/flash or whatever keeps your software you need to buy another one
The record companies thought the same thing in the 1980's... CD - CD reader. Lose the CD, buy another. It didn't work out in the end.
-
Why there are no pirated books? Because the paper is expensive, the copying is expensive and probably the book will be destroyed if you scan the entire content. The software industry needs from a different way of distributing for their products. Some specific format, specific input device dedicated only for installing and running the new software, no possibility for copy the content to another media. If you loose your media/flash or whatever keeps your software you need to buy another one – the same like the books.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
I see your point, but how many different ideas have the software industry come up with and tried, and how many have actually succeeded 100%? None of them. When there's a will, there's a way. DVDs and CSS, or DRM, they don't work and just annoy the consumer more because they have to waste so much time faffing about with security features to prevent people copying the software. If these companies have any sense, they should devote their time making their software better and listening to their genuine customers, rather than wasting their time with people who will get around their little tricks to try to prevent pirating. Regards, --Perspx
Don't trust a computer you can't throw out a window
-- Steve Wozniak
-
Hmm. Is this permitted with microsoft software? I thought it was all non-transferable?
John
Interesting point. Are you saying that non-transferable means an original license can only be used and must be destroyed upon change of ownership (in this case, hardware)?
-
It amazes me how eBay gets by with people pushing pirated software without any action. Not just their part, but it would seem that software companies would hire someone to monitor this and attach those that do the most. Here is an example, this laptop comes with about a $1,000 of software.. Hmmm.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-600YGR-1-6Ghz-512MB-80GB-16-LCD-Combo- Drive_W0QQitemZ140266638428QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140266638428&_trkparms= 72%3A1156%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14[^] Current bid is $112.50 If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal :) I know our world has changed, but really, this just seems wrong and so many levels!
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
-
It amazes me how eBay gets by with people pushing pirated software without any action. Not just their part, but it would seem that software companies would hire someone to monitor this and attach those that do the most. Here is an example, this laptop comes with about a $1,000 of software.. Hmmm.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-600YGR-1-6Ghz-512MB-80GB-16-LCD-Combo- Drive_W0QQitemZ140266638428QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140266638428&_trkparms= 72%3A1156%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14[^] Current bid is $112.50 If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal :) I know our world has changed, but really, this just seems wrong and so many levels!
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
-
How else would you get XP? (correct me if I'm wrong, but there is currently no legal way is there?)
-
Rocky Moore wrote:
If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal
Totally. The problem is how do you prove any theft. All he really has to do is claim that he will ship the original media and his backups for the software. It would be pretty difficult for organizations such as BSA to purchase all of these laptops. :)
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
Chris Austin wrote:
difficult for organizations such as BSA to purchase all of these laptops.
They don't have to purchase all of them.
-
Interesting point. Are you saying that non-transferable means an original license can only be used and must be destroyed upon change of ownership (in this case, hardware)?
I have seen these clauses on some OEM and retail copies. At least online. Not sure about what is or is not covered.
John
-
It amazes me how eBay gets by with people pushing pirated software without any action. Not just their part, but it would seem that software companies would hire someone to monitor this and attach those that do the most. Here is an example, this laptop comes with about a $1,000 of software.. Hmmm.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-600YGR-1-6Ghz-512MB-80GB-16-LCD-Combo- Drive_W0QQitemZ140266638428QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140266638428&_trkparms= 72%3A1156%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14[^] Current bid is $112.50 If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal :) I know our world has changed, but really, this just seems wrong and so many levels!
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
There's nothing wrong with selling your license to software and transferring it. I don't understand what you think the guy is doing wrong.
“Cannot find REALITY.SYS...Universe Halted.” ~ God on phone with Microsoft Customer Support
-
There's nothing wrong with selling your license to software and transferring it. I don't understand what you think the guy is doing wrong.
“Cannot find REALITY.SYS...Universe Halted.” ~ God on phone with Microsoft Customer Support
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
There's nothing wrong with selling your license to software and transferring it.
If it really was "Legal" software and not just pirated, then this person has to be one of the most stupid people around as just the Photoshop license would be worth more than double what the machine is worth. Often on eBay, people just grab a copy of pirated software and throw it on a machine they are selling. The harm is that people believe they are buying a machine with legal software only to find out later that they have no offical license to any of it, they legally only have a blank computer with not even an OS.
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
-
It amazes me how eBay gets by with people pushing pirated software without any action. Not just their part, but it would seem that software companies would hire someone to monitor this and attach those that do the most. Here is an example, this laptop comes with about a $1,000 of software.. Hmmm.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-600YGR-1-6Ghz-512MB-80GB-16-LCD-Combo- Drive_W0QQitemZ140266638428QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140266638428&_trkparms= 72%3A1156%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14[^] Current bid is $112.50 If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal :) I know our world has changed, but really, this just seems wrong and so many levels!
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
ebay just doesn't care. i've tried to report this stuff and been told to get stuffed.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
-
It amazes me how eBay gets by with people pushing pirated software without any action. Not just their part, but it would seem that software companies would hire someone to monitor this and attach those that do the most. Here is an example, this laptop comes with about a $1,000 of software.. Hmmm.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-600YGR-1-6Ghz-512MB-80GB-16-LCD-Combo- Drive_W0QQitemZ140266638428QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140266638428&_trkparms= 72%3A1156%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14[^] Current bid is $112.50 If this guy is legal, then he will lose his shirt in the deal :) I know our world has changed, but really, this just seems wrong and so many levels!
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
Have you ever tried to sell ancient equipment? I had an Adaptec 3940 SCSI2 card, and external SCSI2 enclosure, SEVEN SCSI2 hard drives, a SCSI 7-disc CD changer, and half a dozen SCSI CD drives. I couldn't GIVE that stuff away two years ago, so I ended up just throwing it all away. I have at least half a dozen 100mb routers of various lineage, and nobody wants them because GB ethernet is the hot new thing. They'll probably all just end up in the garbage like the SCSI stuff. If the guy can get $112 for his old system, more power to him. Beyond that, anyone stupid enough to fire up a used computer without wiping, reformatting, and reinstalling the OS (especially if it's Windows) is a fool. BTW, the machine he's selling ain't exactly modern by any standard of the definition, so I bet the software is pretty old too. In fact, it sounds like a default half-ass software install. XP, and limited function versions of the real thing (a lot of the same software came on my Compaq about six years ago). So why does anyone here care, and why is it even worth discussing?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
-----
"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Have you ever tried to sell ancient equipment? I had an Adaptec 3940 SCSI2 card, and external SCSI2 enclosure, SEVEN SCSI2 hard drives, a SCSI 7-disc CD changer, and half a dozen SCSI CD drives. I couldn't GIVE that stuff away two years ago, so I ended up just throwing it all away. I have at least half a dozen 100mb routers of various lineage, and nobody wants them because GB ethernet is the hot new thing. They'll probably all just end up in the garbage like the SCSI stuff. If the guy can get $112 for his old system, more power to him. Beyond that, anyone stupid enough to fire up a used computer without wiping, reformatting, and reinstalling the OS (especially if it's Windows) is a fool. BTW, the machine he's selling ain't exactly modern by any standard of the definition, so I bet the software is pretty old too. In fact, it sounds like a default half-ass software install. XP, and limited function versions of the real thing (a lot of the same software came on my Compaq about six years ago). So why does anyone here care, and why is it even worth discussing?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
-----
"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
So why does anyone here care, and why is it even worth discussing?
Because piracy effects everyone in the end...
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Going to Stanford University for free?
