Do you believe in God? [modified]
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Harvey Saayman wrote:
I've only been exposed to "the real world" for the last two years... and i was shocked to find out how many atheists there are around me, it actually makes me sick...
Sick? Sick?! You have GOT to be kidding! :wtf:
Harvey Saayman wrote:
even some of my friends "believe in themselves", if u ask me they believe in "science", which alot of it is a f***ing religion in itself(the big bang and the big squish and the big spin and all that)!
Science doesn't even come close to being a religion. Religion demands trusting devotion, science basically says, "Don't believe us? Well, you can find out for yourself!"
Harvey Saayman wrote:
Half the crap they teach in school level science is given as fact, but it cant be proven in front of you like gravity and electricity can be proven and shown... Things like the age of the earth...
Uhhh, don't give me that crap. There's more than one way to prove something, you know, other than just dropping a banana and saying, "See? Gravity." How, for example, would you prove that Caligula was a Roman emperor?
Harvey Saayman wrote:
IMO science is the religion of atheists, people to blind to see whats right in front of their faces! We didnt just happen, there has to be a creator behind it all...
That's not an argument, just a sappy platitude.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Well, you can find out for yourself!"
The uncertainty principle refutes that. The universe is ultimately unknowable.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
How, for example, would you prove that Caligula was a Roman emperor?
You wouldn't.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
That's not an argument, just a sappy platitude.
Religion is as religion does. There is an entire movement in modern society to use science for precisely the same purposes religion is used - a belief system, a system of maintaining social stability. If you wish to keep science prestine, you need religion.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Science doesn't even come close to being a religion. Religion demands trusting devotion, science basically says, "Don't believe us? Well, you can find out for yourself!"
Science says that at some point in time, all the matter in the universe came together in a small "dot", spun faster and faster and galexys or what ever you want to call it "broke of" and thats where everything comes from. My religion says God created the heaven and the earth. Neither can be proven but there are people who believe in God, and others who believe in the big bang. therefore BOTH ARE RELIGIONS!
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
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Neither can be proven but there are people who believe in God, and others who believe in the big bang. therefore BOTH ARE RELIGIONS!
No... The Big Bang theory is credible because we can measure the velocity of pretty much everything in the visible Universe, and it is all moving away from us. The only way that this is possible is if earlier in time everything was closer together. Set t=0, and you have everything originating from a single point. It is, yes, a theory, not a religion.
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Harvey Saayman wrote:
Neither can be proven but there are people who believe in God, and others who believe in the big bang. therefore BOTH ARE RELIGIONS!
No... The Big Bang theory is credible because we can measure the velocity of pretty much everything in the visible Universe, and it is all moving away from us. The only way that this is possible is if earlier in time everything was closer together. Set t=0, and you have everything originating from a single point. It is, yes, a theory, not a religion.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
theory
my point exactly, theory given as fact when is just something that MIGHT be true... just as what i believe(God did it) might be true...
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Well, you can find out for yourself!"
The uncertainty principle refutes that. The universe is ultimately unknowable.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
How, for example, would you prove that Caligula was a Roman emperor?
You wouldn't.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
That's not an argument, just a sappy platitude.
Religion is as religion does. There is an entire movement in modern society to use science for precisely the same purposes religion is used - a belief system, a system of maintaining social stability. If you wish to keep science prestine, you need religion.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The uncertainty principle refutes that. The universe is ultimately unknowable.
The uncertainty principle states that measuring the position of a particle changes the momentum, and vice-versa. So I suppose, yes, the Universe is ultimately unknowable. That doesn't really disprove my point, though, unless he has some vehement objection to my (or someone else's) measurement of a particle.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You wouldn't.
You would look at the evidence that he existed - documents, sculptures, etc. You would piece it together and form a reasonably certain conclusion that he existed at some point.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Religion is as religion does. There is an entire movement in modern society to use science for precisely the same purposes religion is used - a belief system, a system of maintaining social stability. If you wish to keep science prestine, you need religion.
Look, I dunno. It doesn't make sense to me - how, for example, could one find moral guidance from metallurgy? Divine wisdom in zoology?
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
theory
my point exactly, theory given as fact when is just something that MIGHT be true... just as what i believe(God did it) might be true...
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
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my point exactly, theory given as fact when is just something that MIGHT be true... just as what i believe(God did it) might be true...
You're confusing 'theory' with 'hypothesis', 'conjecture', or 'wild drunken guess'.
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Simple answer: "Nope, why should I? I rather believe in myself!" What about you, do you believe in God?
modified on Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:29 AM
Cyon111 wrote:
What about you, do you believe in God?
yes, and why shouldn't I?
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Cyon111 wrote:
do you believe in Gods?
Gods? Plural!
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Gods? Plural!
I guess the O.P. is asking if there are any polytheists here.
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Cyon111 wrote:
What about you, do you believe in God?
yes, and why shouldn't I?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Science doesn't even come close to being a religion. Religion demands trusting devotion, science basically says, "Don't believe us? Well, you can find out for yourself!"
Science says that at some point in time, all the matter in the universe came together in a small "dot", spun faster and faster and galexys or what ever you want to call it "broke of" and thats where everything comes from. My religion says God created the heaven and the earth. Neither can be proven but there are people who believe in God, and others who believe in the big bang. therefore BOTH ARE RELIGIONS!
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
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Harvey Saayman wrote:
all the matter in the universe came together in a small "dot", spun faster and faster and galexys or what ever you want to call it "broke of" and thats where everything comes from.
There's virtually nothing in that string of gibberish that's correct. The Big Bang is the 'generally accepted' theory of the origin of the universe specifically because we haven't found a better explaination, and have never claimed that that's the definative story. Besides knowing virtually nothing about the theory, you're also ignoring the fact that the Big Bang would be a reasonable result from the Creator saying "let there be light." Maybe it would be wise for you to educate yourself on both topics before ridiculing one and claiming the other is ultimate truth. Maybe you should consider the possibility that they aren't mutually exclusive. But whatever you do, get a dictionary and look up the word 'religion' before posting something so asinine as to make you look like a complete idiot. Oh yeah, and to answer the original question, yes.
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Harvey Saayman wrote:
I've only been exposed to "the real world" for the last two years... and i was shocked to find out how many atheists there are around me, it actually makes me sick...
Sick? Sick?! You have GOT to be kidding! :wtf:
Harvey Saayman wrote:
even some of my friends "believe in themselves", if u ask me they believe in "science", which alot of it is a f***ing religion in itself(the big bang and the big squish and the big spin and all that)!
Science doesn't even come close to being a religion. Religion demands trusting devotion, science basically says, "Don't believe us? Well, you can find out for yourself!"
Harvey Saayman wrote:
Half the crap they teach in school level science is given as fact, but it cant be proven in front of you like gravity and electricity can be proven and shown... Things like the age of the earth...
Uhhh, don't give me that crap. There's more than one way to prove something, you know, other than just dropping a banana and saying, "See? Gravity." How, for example, would you prove that Caligula was a Roman emperor?
Harvey Saayman wrote:
IMO science is the religion of atheists, people to blind to see whats right in front of their faces! We didnt just happen, there has to be a creator behind it all...
That's not an argument, just a sappy platitude.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Science doesn't even come close to being a religion.
Of course not. To my opinion science is a procedure of gathering information of the physical world. Religion in the other hand could base on science but is actually knowledge about life. That's why religion could be scientific, because it is actually knowledge.
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Harvey Saayman wrote:
I've only been exposed to "the real world" for the last two years... and i was shocked to find out how many atheists there are around me, it actually makes me sick...
Sick? Sick?! You have GOT to be kidding! :wtf:
Harvey Saayman wrote:
even some of my friends "believe in themselves", if u ask me they believe in "science", which alot of it is a f***ing religion in itself(the big bang and the big squish and the big spin and all that)!
Science doesn't even come close to being a religion. Religion demands trusting devotion, science basically says, "Don't believe us? Well, you can find out for yourself!"
Harvey Saayman wrote:
Half the crap they teach in school level science is given as fact, but it cant be proven in front of you like gravity and electricity can be proven and shown... Things like the age of the earth...
Uhhh, don't give me that crap. There's more than one way to prove something, you know, other than just dropping a banana and saying, "See? Gravity." How, for example, would you prove that Caligula was a Roman emperor?
Harvey Saayman wrote:
IMO science is the religion of atheists, people to blind to see whats right in front of their faces! We didnt just happen, there has to be a creator behind it all...
That's not an argument, just a sappy platitude.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
How, for example, would you prove that Caligula was a Roman emperor?
History is not that kind of science. You have to believe in it.
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Simple answer: "Nope, why should I? I rather believe in myself!" What about you, do you believe in God?
modified on Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:29 AM
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Simple answer: "Nope, why should I? I rather believe in myself!" What about you, do you believe in God?
modified on Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:29 AM
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Harvey Saayman wrote:
Neither can be proven but there are people who believe in God, and others who believe in the big bang. therefore BOTH ARE RELIGIONS!
No... The Big Bang theory is credible because we can measure the velocity of pretty much everything in the visible Universe, and it is all moving away from us. The only way that this is possible is if earlier in time everything was closer together. Set t=0, and you have everything originating from a single point. It is, yes, a theory, not a religion.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
you have everything originating from a single point
Yes. God had to build it somewhere. And I'm sure it made a big ruckus, too.
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Simple answer: "Nope, why should I? I rather believe in myself!" What about you, do you believe in God?
modified on Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:29 AM
I believe that I exist (myself) because that is the only thing i can be sure of.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
This is a stupid fucking question.
Sorry, it may not be interesting to you but others may have interest in it. But I promise you, if a few more like you show up, I'll shut it!
Cyon111 wrote:
But I promise you, if a few more like you show up, I'll shut it!
I'm nothing at all like John. I'm older, meaner, and shoot different guns. Now shut your fucking mouth and get out of Dodge, asshole.
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Simple answer: "Nope, why should I? I rather believe in myself!" What about you, do you believe in God?
modified on Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:29 AM
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
yes, and why shouldn't I?
OK, in order not to mix things up again. By believe, you say that there is a God, right? That God does exist. But do you worship that God?
Cyon111 wrote:
you say that there is a God, right?
yes.
Cyon111 wrote:
That God does exist.
redundant, but yes.
Cyon111 wrote:
But do you worship that God?
I don't understand the use of the word, "But" here - buy, yes.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Science doesn't even come close to being a religion. Religion demands trusting devotion, science basically says, "Don't believe us? Well, you can find out for yourself!"
Science says that at some point in time, all the matter in the universe came together in a small "dot", spun faster and faster and galexys or what ever you want to call it "broke of" and thats where everything comes from. My religion says God created the heaven and the earth. Neither can be proven but there are people who believe in God, and others who believe in the big bang. therefore BOTH ARE RELIGIONS!
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
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Neither can be proven but there are people who believe in God, and others who believe in the big bang. therefore BOTH ARE RELIGIONS!
I'm guessing the standards for being a junior birdman in South Africa don't require any training in logic.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Science doesn't even come close to being a religion.
Of course not. To my opinion science is a procedure of gathering information of the physical world. Religion in the other hand could base on science but is actually knowledge about life. That's why religion could be scientific, because it is actually knowledge.