IT Shortage??
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http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=50089[^] The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT... Show them this link. :) I wonder if the big corps don't fake this stuff to shift the market in their favour and pay us IT types even less. :P The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT...
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
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http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=50089[^] The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT... Show them this link. :) I wonder if the big corps don't fake this stuff to shift the market in their favour and pay us IT types even less. :P The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT...
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
by the looks of things, there's about to be an oversupply of all kinds of labor...
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by the looks of things, there's about to be an oversupply of all kinds of labor...
A very big oversupply I fear, given the house's rebuttal.
Bar fomos edo pariyart gedeem, agreo eo dranem abal edyero eyrem kalm kareore
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http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=50089[^] The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT... Show them this link. :) I wonder if the big corps don't fake this stuff to shift the market in their favour and pay us IT types even less. :P The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT...
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
Any shortage is going to affect new entries, a lot more so than people with experience. I am still fending off job offers regularly.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Any shortage is going to affect new entries, a lot more so than people with experience. I am still fending off job offers regularly.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
In the PHP world...I'm afraid everyone is an expert. Most employers (with the exception of established software companies) are well aware of this fact and won't hire for more than 40k/year, many wanting to pay only $15/hour. It's an employers market unfortunately. :(
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
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In the PHP world...I'm afraid everyone is an expert. Most employers (with the exception of established software companies) are well aware of this fact and won't hire for more than 40k/year, many wanting to pay only $15/hour. It's an employers market unfortunately. :(
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
Hockey wrote:
many wanting to pay only $15/hour
Wow, I made more then that when I graduated 10 years ago.
Bar fomos edo pariyart gedeem, agreo eo dranem abal edyero eyrem kalm kareore
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Hockey wrote:
many wanting to pay only $15/hour
Wow, I made more then that when I graduated 10 years ago.
Bar fomos edo pariyart gedeem, agreo eo dranem abal edyero eyrem kalm kareore
When I knew barely anything about PHP I made that...that was probably 7 or 8 years ago...it sucks. :) Market forces at work...not much I can do. Do a quick search on the Canadian job bank and anything PHP related is around 40K -- custom work sucks as PHP attracts frugal clients.
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
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In the PHP world...I'm afraid everyone is an expert. Most employers (with the exception of established software companies) are well aware of this fact and won't hire for more than 40k/year, many wanting to pay only $15/hour. It's an employers market unfortunately. :(
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
One more reason that PHP sucks, I guess.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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In the PHP world...I'm afraid everyone is an expert. Most employers (with the exception of established software companies) are well aware of this fact and won't hire for more than 40k/year, many wanting to pay only $15/hour. It's an employers market unfortunately. :(
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
If it ever came down to making that again. Yes, the secret is out, I was once a manager.
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If it ever came down to making that again. Yes, the secret is out, I was once a manager.
Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.Interesting. My local experience is that, when you transition from engineer to manager, they remove your brain, spine, and two best friends (if you're male). Did they keep yours on ice, and put them back when you left management?
Software Zen:
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http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=50089[^] The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT... Show them this link. :) I wonder if the big corps don't fake this stuff to shift the market in their favour and pay us IT types even less. :P The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT...
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
I've been programming for 7 years, writing C and C++ for 4. Two weeks ago I got bored and within a week I wrote an assembler in C++ and a virtual machine/interpreter in X86 assembly for my own/custom instruction set that my assembler generates, the interpreter being my first real asm program. Worked flawlessly, speed was good. I am very happy today because, after more than a year searching, I finally found a job. I am now proudly in the possession of data entry job, paying some 12 or so dollars an hour. But hey, it pays. Programming never paid me. I only had a 3 week Java contract some time ago, that I got out of mercy because I was completely broke and the guy was nice enough to spare a few thousand dollars for a fellow Romanian in need. I gave up searching for a job as a programmer. In a weird twist, when I got home after getting the job, and checked my email, I see one saying that my application has been rejected, for the position of junior C++ programmer, absolutely no other requirement. I was not even called for an interview! Junior C++? After doing the above? Cheers to you, world, you strange and crazy piece of rock. There is only one thing that fuels my curiosity, though: who the hell did they hire?
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I've been programming for 7 years, writing C and C++ for 4. Two weeks ago I got bored and within a week I wrote an assembler in C++ and a virtual machine/interpreter in X86 assembly for my own/custom instruction set that my assembler generates, the interpreter being my first real asm program. Worked flawlessly, speed was good. I am very happy today because, after more than a year searching, I finally found a job. I am now proudly in the possession of data entry job, paying some 12 or so dollars an hour. But hey, it pays. Programming never paid me. I only had a 3 week Java contract some time ago, that I got out of mercy because I was completely broke and the guy was nice enough to spare a few thousand dollars for a fellow Romanian in need. I gave up searching for a job as a programmer. In a weird twist, when I got home after getting the job, and checked my email, I see one saying that my application has been rejected, for the position of junior C++ programmer, absolutely no other requirement. I was not even called for an interview! Junior C++? After doing the above? Cheers to you, world, you strange and crazy piece of rock. There is only one thing that fuels my curiosity, though: who the hell did they hire?
One thing I did really wrong...was not going to post secondary... Problem is, like you, I started programming at a young age and by the time I reached Gr. 12 I figured (and rightfully so) I knew more about the teacher when it came to best practices, etc. One thing know one told me explicitly about programming, is it's like any industry... It's not what you know, it's who you know...this is made obvious by all the boobs working in development positions who write crappy arse code and still get paid to essentially introduce bugs into a software system. LOL
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
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http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=50089[^] The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT... Show them this link. :) I wonder if the big corps don't fake this stuff to shift the market in their favour and pay us IT types even less. :P The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT...
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
I like this: "I have thirty years in the business, continuously training and upgrading my skills and knowledge. I managed to finally find employment in a pizza store." :laugh:
Kevin
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http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=50089[^] The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT... Show them this link. :) I wonder if the big corps don't fake this stuff to shift the market in their favour and pay us IT types even less. :P The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT...
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
I'm a currently "resting" contractor (been resting for two months). I've been finding that roles I've been applying for are receiving 100 applicants for each role. Maybe all of those 100 applicants are useless? I don't think so. OTOH, under any market conditions, there will always be those who say: "I've had four job offers, what's the problem?"
Kevin
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Hockey wrote:
many wanting to pay only $15/hour
Wow, I made more then that when I graduated 10 years ago.
Bar fomos edo pariyart gedeem, agreo eo dranem abal edyero eyrem kalm kareore
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http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=50089[^] The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT... Show them this link. :) I wonder if the big corps don't fake this stuff to shift the market in their favour and pay us IT types even less. :P The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT...
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
If I had it to do over again, there's no way I'd be in IT. I didn't even go to college for it. I just ended up here because programming pays the bills. But if I had it to do all over again, I would have learned a trade and opened a small business. Seriously, I am having my driveway paved, my roof fixed and I had a fence put. All three of these business owners make A LOT more money then I do. And they don't have to deal with Corporate life.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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One thing I did really wrong...was not going to post secondary... Problem is, like you, I started programming at a young age and by the time I reached Gr. 12 I figured (and rightfully so) I knew more about the teacher when it came to best practices, etc. One thing know one told me explicitly about programming, is it's like any industry... It's not what you know, it's who you know...this is made obvious by all the boobs working in development positions who write crappy arse code and still get paid to essentially introduce bugs into a software system. LOL
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
Hockey wrote:
One thing I did really wrong...was not going to post secondary...
...the famed white collar union card.
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
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I like this: "I have thirty years in the business, continuously training and upgrading my skills and knowledge. I managed to finally find employment in a pizza store." :laugh:
Kevin
Yep I also have 30 years expereince. Went back to school and got the latest ASP.Net & c# and was told "You don't have experience" and "We are looking for new blood" Then there is the whole HR issue. There was a job open in the city in the garment industry to upgrade from legacy code ( that I had supported in the past but not for this client) to ASP.NET - Every head hunter in the city contacted me but I couldn't get past HR. I finally did an internship for 3 months and got a contract with a big airline. Another friend who was a head hunter groomed me with tips on clothes, hair dye and said "It is a good thing you have an ordinary name - lots of places won't even look at prospects with 'funny' names plus they want 15 years experience, under 30, fluently bilingual, good communicator all for $30K"
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Yep I also have 30 years expereince. Went back to school and got the latest ASP.Net & c# and was told "You don't have experience" and "We are looking for new blood" Then there is the whole HR issue. There was a job open in the city in the garment industry to upgrade from legacy code ( that I had supported in the past but not for this client) to ASP.NET - Every head hunter in the city contacted me but I couldn't get past HR. I finally did an internship for 3 months and got a contract with a big airline. Another friend who was a head hunter groomed me with tips on clothes, hair dye and said "It is a good thing you have an ordinary name - lots of places won't even look at prospects with 'funny' names plus they want 15 years experience, under 30, fluently bilingual, good communicator all for $30K"
Out of curiosity, what skills did you have prior to ASP.NET C#? It certainly gets tougher as you get older. One thing I've worked out is you've somehow got to be as [commercially] current as possible if you want to stay in work and this is more important the older you get. If you have the latest .NET 3.5 and you're in your 40s and 50s you might still lose out to the young whipper snappers. But if you're that age and you're stuck doing VC++/MFC you will definitely lose out to the young whipper snappers; unless you're at an employer who's happy to keep you working on that stuff indefinitely. But if you're a contractor you're pretty much toast. What's annoying about this industry is that they continually moan about skills shortages. But if devs then decide to invest in themselves you are mostly ignored because you don't have commercial experience. If you then decide to pass off your home learning as commercial experience they complain that you're dishonest. And then they complain about skills shortages again! :doh: Granted that commercial experience is preferable to mere learning but that shouldn't mean that learning is of zero value.
Kevin
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http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=50089[^] The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT... Show them this link. :) I wonder if the big corps don't fake this stuff to shift the market in their favour and pay us IT types even less. :P The next time someone suggests the market is experiencing a shortage of talent or someone asks whether they should get into IT...
I'm finding the only constant in software development is change it self.
There's a lot of blame to go around. On the one hand, software piracy is huge - it's estimated that 99% of all the software used in China is pirated. It's probably about the same in the ex-Soviet countries. Even in America, the software piracy rate is estimated to be around, what, 25% or more? (When software is valueless, software writers are valueless.) On another hand, there's the open source movement. When you give stuff away for free you shouldn't be too surprised that it undermines the value of what you do. Why pay for something when you can get it for free? Why hire an employee to write something you can get for free? Open source, etc., undermines professional software development. (For some things, like infrastructure and standards, open source may be good, but for free applications it's ultimately harmful to the profession.) On a third hand, there're the many companies that give software away for free under the concept that they will make up for it on volume or market share. (Did anybody else ever learn that zero times anything is still zero?) On a fourth hand, there's outsourcing. Supply and demand issues, etc. absolutely mean that will undercut salaries and opportunities in developed countries despite all the spinning to the contrary. On a fifth hand, there's bundling and monopolies. When Microsoft bundles some application with Windows, that pretty much kills the market for that application type. I've long since run out of hands to count on, but professional software development is being undercut from every angle. Some of it is extremely difficult to combat, due to widespread corruption of public officials by large corporations. (The US H1-B visa program is a complete fraud, for example.) But some of it is our own fault! Stop giving your services away for free, and maybe you will see the value of your services rise. -- david_f_knight P.S. In response to your question whether the big corps fake this stuff (the IT shortage) to shift the market in their favour and pay us IT types even less, I believe they do that but for several reasons. One is as you suggested. Another is that it helps support the "need" for the H1-B Visa program in the US. Another is that it provides political and public relations cover for outsourcing. Universities do their bit to perpetuate this fraud since it helps them sell their services to their clients, the students. For the truth, follow the money!