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  • C Christian Graus

    I'd have assumed that without even checking. The US would be significant, just because. India would be biggest for obvious reasons - the forums are full of indians who take work they can't do, and use CP to get it done.

    Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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    Dalek Dave
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    Oh Christian, your cynical genes are showing again! :) (I suspect you are probably right)

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    • C Christian Graus

      I'd have assumed that without even checking. The US would be significant, just because. India would be biggest for obvious reasons - the forums are full of indians who take work they can't do, and use CP to get it done.

      Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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      leckey 0
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      I know Graus is getting some comments about this. There are some great Indians on this board who do an awesome job. However, when the majority of "bad" questions and rejected articles are from people in India, or have Indian sounding names it's easy to make sweeping generalizations. We see this when talking about Islam in the SoapBox (and that's ALL I will say about that in the Longe). As an unemployed software engineer and interviewed with a company who didn't hire me and said they farm code to India, it makes me more cynical about the situation.

      Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.

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      • C Christian Graus

        I'm not sure what this means....

        Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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        Bassam Saoud
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        ;)

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          I know Graus is getting some comments about this. There are some great Indians on this board who do an awesome job. However, when the majority of "bad" questions and rejected articles are from people in India, or have Indian sounding names it's easy to make sweeping generalizations. We see this when talking about Islam in the SoapBox (and that's ALL I will say about that in the Longe). As an unemployed software engineer and interviewed with a company who didn't hire me and said they farm code to India, it makes me more cynical about the situation.

          Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.

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          Pete OHanlon
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          You didn't get the job? Damn. I thought you were in for others - are they still on the go?

          Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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          • P Pete OHanlon

            You didn't get the job? Damn. I thought you were in for others - are they still on the go?

            Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

            My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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            leckey 0
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            This was the one I applied for a couple months back what was several hours away. I would have eventually had to move. I got good vibes and a no go at the end. Even the recruiter did not know why. Still waiting on the three from the last two weeks. I expect to hear about two this week; the third said they take a long time.

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              I know Graus is getting some comments about this. There are some great Indians on this board who do an awesome job. However, when the majority of "bad" questions and rejected articles are from people in India, or have Indian sounding names it's easy to make sweeping generalizations. We see this when talking about Islam in the SoapBox (and that's ALL I will say about that in the Longe). As an unemployed software engineer and interviewed with a company who didn't hire me and said they farm code to India, it makes me more cynical about the situation.

              Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.

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              Christian Graus
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              My Paranoid Hubby wrote:

              There are some great Indians on this board who do an awesome job

              Yes, I knew I was stirring the pot, but I would hope it's clear that I am not saying 'all Indians suck'. It has nothing to do with race, it has everythign to do with the West throwing money at India expecting magic software solutions for close to nothing ( in Western terms ). Indians are taking work they can't do, because there's money in it. The fault is with the West. The net result is people who can't code, trying to get us to do the work, they just happen to be Indian because that's where the outsourcing is going on. In time, the dross will be cut away, and the good Indian devs will make real money, and the CP membership will be 24% from Indonesia or something ( or Russia perhaps ) ?

              My Paranoid Hubby wrote:

              We see this when talking about Islam in the SoapBox

              Well, one Muslim in particular has done a lot to bring Islam into disrepute here ( and that's all I am going to say here, too ).

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              As an unemployed software engineer and interviewed with a company who didn't hire me and said they farm code to India, it makes me more cynical about the situation.

              Yeah, that sucks. I am fortunate to have work, and so my cynicism doesn't have as much bite as it would if I couldn't find work, but, I have to say that in my experience, the people who are farming code to India, deserve the bad results they invariably get.

              Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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                This was the one I applied for a couple months back what was several hours away. I would have eventually had to move. I got good vibes and a no go at the end. Even the recruiter did not know why. Still waiting on the three from the last two weeks. I expect to hear about two this week; the third said they take a long time.

                Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.

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                Pete OHanlon
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                We're still rooting for you you know.

                Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                • C Christian Graus

                  My Paranoid Hubby wrote:

                  There are some great Indians on this board who do an awesome job

                  Yes, I knew I was stirring the pot, but I would hope it's clear that I am not saying 'all Indians suck'. It has nothing to do with race, it has everythign to do with the West throwing money at India expecting magic software solutions for close to nothing ( in Western terms ). Indians are taking work they can't do, because there's money in it. The fault is with the West. The net result is people who can't code, trying to get us to do the work, they just happen to be Indian because that's where the outsourcing is going on. In time, the dross will be cut away, and the good Indian devs will make real money, and the CP membership will be 24% from Indonesia or something ( or Russia perhaps ) ?

                  My Paranoid Hubby wrote:

                  We see this when talking about Islam in the SoapBox

                  Well, one Muslim in particular has done a lot to bring Islam into disrepute here ( and that's all I am going to say here, too ).

                  My Paranoid Hubby wrote:

                  As an unemployed software engineer and interviewed with a company who didn't hire me and said they farm code to India, it makes me more cynical about the situation.

                  Yeah, that sucks. I am fortunate to have work, and so my cynicism doesn't have as much bite as it would if I couldn't find work, but, I have to say that in my experience, the people who are farming code to India, deserve the bad results they invariably get.

                  Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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                  Pete OHanlon
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                  Christian Graus wrote:

                  in my experience, the people who are farming code to India, deserve the bad results they invariably get.

                  Amusingly, I regularly receive emails telling me that we can outsource our development work to Indian companies. Hello people. We're a frickin dev company ourselves. It would be like delivering a wedgy to myself.

                  Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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                    Christian Graus wrote:

                    in my experience, the people who are farming code to India, deserve the bad results they invariably get.

                    Amusingly, I regularly receive emails telling me that we can outsource our development work to Indian companies. Hello people. We're a frickin dev company ourselves. It would be like delivering a wedgy to myself.

                    Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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                    Dalek Dave
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                    Yes but can you save money? :)

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                    • D Dalek Dave

                      Yes but can you save money? :)

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                      Pete OHanlon
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                      Well, I'm sure that delivering a self-wedgy would be cheaper than hiring a wedgy hitman. So I suppose so.

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        Well, I'm sure that delivering a self-wedgy would be cheaper than hiring a wedgy hitman. So I suppose so.

                        Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                        Dalek Dave
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                        Surely you could send some hired goons round to yourself to administer a wedgy, then you could have the satisfaction of not exporting the wedgy technical details to those incapable of administering such things!

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                        • D Dalek Dave

                          Surely you could send some hired goons round to yourself to administer a wedgy, then you could have the satisfaction of not exporting the wedgy technical details to those incapable of administering such things!

                          ------------------------------------ Credit is a system whereby a person who can not pay gets another person who can not pay to guarantee that he can pay. - Charles Dickens

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                          Pete OHanlon
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                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                          Surely you could send some hired goons round to yourself to administer a wedgy, then you could have the satisfaction of not exporting the wedgy technical details to those incapable of administering such things!

                          Ah - so we would still own the wedgy IPR. Interesting.

                          Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                            Surely you could send some hired goons round to yourself to administer a wedgy, then you could have the satisfaction of not exporting the wedgy technical details to those incapable of administering such things!

                            ------------------------------------ Credit is a system whereby a person who can not pay gets another person who can not pay to guarantee that he can pay. - Charles Dickens

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                            leckey 0
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                            But they might botch an atomic wedgy. (Is it weird that I am a girl and know what that is?)

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                              Dalek Dave wrote:

                              Surely you could send some hired goons round to yourself to administer a wedgy, then you could have the satisfaction of not exporting the wedgy technical details to those incapable of administering such things!

                              Ah - so we would still own the wedgy IPR. Interesting.

                              Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                              Dalek Dave
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                              It would allow you to implement wedgies, whilst working on wedgie 2009, and offer the upgrade at a reduced rate. But make sure the EULA is pretty firm, you don't want others nicking your wedgies and marketing them as their own! :)

                              ------------------------------------ Credit is a system whereby a person who can not pay gets another person who can not pay to guarantee that he can pay. - Charles Dickens

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                              • P Pete OHanlon

                                Christian Graus wrote:

                                in my experience, the people who are farming code to India, deserve the bad results they invariably get.

                                Amusingly, I regularly receive emails telling me that we can outsource our development work to Indian companies. Hello people. We're a frickin dev company ourselves. It would be like delivering a wedgy to myself.

                                Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

                                My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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                                Christian Graus
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                                Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                It would be like delivering a wedgy to myself.

                                I'd love to see that. We toyed with the idea of outsourcing when I was flat out with work 24/7 last year. I thought that it would make sense to pay someone to do the more straightforward work, and I could work between projects doing the complex stuff. It was a disaster. I mention this b/c it's the only reason I can think why you'd do some outsourcing.

                                Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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                                • P Pete OHanlon

                                  We're still rooting for you you know.

                                  Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                                  leckey 0
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                                  Trust me, I'm ready to give some good news for once!

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                                    But they might botch an atomic wedgy. (Is it weird that I am a girl and know what that is?)

                                    Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.

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                                    Dalek Dave
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                                    My Paranoid Hubby wrote:

                                    Is it weird that I am a girl and know what that is

                                    No, not at all, lots of people know what girls are.

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                                      We're still rooting for you you know.

                                      Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

                                      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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                                      Christian Graus
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                                      I love how rooting in the US means something totally different to in Australia. If I told a girl I was rooting for her, she'd slap me in the face.

                                      Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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                                        I love how rooting in the US means something totally different to in Australia. If I told a girl I was rooting for her, she'd slap me in the face.

                                        Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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                                        Dalek Dave
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                                        It has dual use here in UK, and they mean both of the above!

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                                          This was the one I applied for a couple months back what was several hours away. I would have eventually had to move. I got good vibes and a no go at the end. Even the recruiter did not know why. Still waiting on the three from the last two weeks. I expect to hear about two this week; the third said they take a long time.

                                          Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.

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                                          El Corazon
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                                          if you get desperate there is always the desert in NM.... you might have to rescue a baby squirrel from a rattlesnake or two, but it is always interesting out here.... There is a mythical chinese curse lurking in that statement, but it really is always interesting out here too. :)

                                          _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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