Is Quality of indian software development is reducing day by day?
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Zhat wrote:
URGENTZ
hay you or copyeng the what is we hvae copywrited in India. shat the fakup.
Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]
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Five years ago I worked on some VoIP related project and I needed from some libraries for parsing H323 protocol. The company found some paid/and expensive/ solution created in India. It just doesn’t work. The Indian guys even send us parts from the source code with the hope that we will find their own bugs!!!!! So after we review the code/don’t ask…/ we drop this solution. Soon after that I found some open source libraries created from Australians and Chinese programmers and under GNU license. They worked like charm. The difference was like between broken bicycle and a Ferrari. This is only one case, but it illustrates the problem. The quality is more important then the price.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
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Zhat wrote:
URGENTZ
hay you or copyeng the what is we hvae copywrited in India. shat the fakup.
Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
copywrited
See, this is the problem with Indians. Everybody knows it's 'copywrote'.
Cheers, Vıkram.
"You idiot British surprise me that your generators which grew up after Mid 50s had no brain at all." - Adnan Siddiqi.
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anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
In My case(Many Indians) English is not mother tongue
FOR my case, and many Indians, English is not MY mother tongue
anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
We learn English only for communicate with out side India
We LEARNT English only TO communicate with PEOPLE OUTSIDE India FYI correct grammer...
Shahil Shah wrote:
anish_bhagwat80 wrote: In My case(Many Indians) English is not mother tongue FOR my case, and many Indians, English is not MY mother tongue
It's "In my case" actually. Anish was right.
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True, except when he's angry or trying to insult someone, then he degenerates into just this sort of babel.
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anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
See i am not in the mood of war.
Firstly, this is a public forum that thousands of professionals visit. So, your mood accounts to squat.
anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
i want to know just opinions of world
Secondly, people are just giving you their opinions. You should not expect that they must share their opinion with yours. At times (like this), you will be the butt of a joke. But you are the reason. You started a thread like this and kept arguing against other's opinions, and that's *your* mistake. So, buy what they have to give you. If you ask me, silence would be a far better way to go.
Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]
Thanks! Yes Mr. Rajesh You are true!
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I heard from my company and from my some of friends as while biding for a project you will get 7 quotation from China along with single quotation from India.Because if you wont get project it directly goes to China. No doubt China recover lot in software. But my questions are Is this due to China bids with very low rate? or quality of Indian development is reduced? or Is this due to Indian people not able to follow dead line? Your suggestions and opinions are inevitable... Thanks, Anish Bhagwat
Nothing made in China is of good quality. I don't expect that software would be an exception to that rule.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
The quality is more important then the price.
Not to the average manager
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Not to the average manager
True. I am voting a '5' for bringing out that. The gruesome dirty politics everywhere is what stinks more than worst shabby shit.
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William Shakespeare -
I heard from my company and from my some of friends as while biding for a project you will get 7 quotation from China along with single quotation from India.Because if you wont get project it directly goes to China. No doubt China recover lot in software. But my questions are Is this due to China bids with very low rate? or quality of Indian development is reduced? or Is this due to Indian people not able to follow dead line? Your suggestions and opinions are inevitable... Thanks, Anish Bhagwat
anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
Is this due to Indian people not able to follow dead line?
Some crazy marketing or gibberish managers promise a 3 hour shuttle service between Madras and Mars besides just trying to get low-cost low-profile staff on the pretext of cost-cutting. Someone in the forum once humourously quoted "You pay peanuts and end up getting monkeys". If that is the state of affairs, where on earth, are we going to focus on quality. We just are swelling in quantity with the number of street corner software development centers mushrooming up on every slum in our place.
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William Shakespeare -
anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
Is this due to Indian people not able to follow dead line?
Some crazy marketing or gibberish managers promise a 3 hour shuttle service between Madras and Mars besides just trying to get low-cost low-profile staff on the pretext of cost-cutting. Someone in the forum once humourously quoted "You pay peanuts and end up getting monkeys". If that is the state of affairs, where on earth, are we going to focus on quality. We just are swelling in quantity with the number of street corner software development centers mushrooming up on every slum in our place.
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespeareI've been getting the same feeling from this end. A decade ago peanuts got you a Physics Phd with a love of mathematics and software development. Now if you're lucky peanuts will get you a vaguely capable code monkey or if you're unlucky someone who can switch on a computer most days, it seems. India's great success in creating an affluent, successful and pricier middle class seems to have gone unnoticed by the bean counters in the west, however.
Bar fomos edo pariyart gedeem, agreo eo dranem abal edyero eyrem kalm kareore
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anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
Is this due to Indian people not able to follow dead line?
Some crazy marketing or gibberish managers promise a 3 hour shuttle service between Madras and Mars besides just trying to get low-cost low-profile staff on the pretext of cost-cutting. Someone in the forum once humourously quoted "You pay peanuts and end up getting monkeys". If that is the state of affairs, where on earth, are we going to focus on quality. We just are swelling in quantity with the number of street corner software development centers mushrooming up on every slum in our place.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespeareWhen the combination of rising local salaries and higher administrative overhead due to differing timezones and cultures largely eat away the cost saving of outsourcing at the global level. When significant cost savings are no longer to be found the relative ranking of quality in team selection can only go up. I've read that this is already starting to happen in India with the cheapest at any cost people increasingly looking to poorer coders elsewhere.
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Sorry Harvey - apparently I voted you 1. I've changed it to the 5 I meant to vote.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Sorry Harvey - apparently I voted you 1. I've changed it to the 5 I meant to vote.
Bipolar uni-voter?
Todd Smith
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Five years ago I worked on some VoIP related project and I needed from some libraries for parsing H323 protocol. The company found some paid/and expensive/ solution created in India. It just doesn’t work. The Indian guys even send us parts from the source code with the hope that we will find their own bugs!!!!! So after we review the code/don’t ask…/ we drop this solution. Soon after that I found some open source libraries created from Australians and Chinese programmers and under GNU license. They worked like charm. The difference was like between broken bicycle and a Ferrari. This is only one case, but it illustrates the problem. The quality is more important then the price.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
This is only one case, but it illustrates the problem. The quality is more important then the price.
You can't begin to talk about quality unless you have an actual functioning program. It sounds to me like you got scammed. You can't go after a lot of these Indian companies or individuals if they rip you off.
Todd Smith
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Nothing made in China is of good quality. I don't expect that software would be an exception to that rule.
Le Centriste wrote:
Nothing made in China is of good quality. I don't expect that software would be an exception to that rule.
Hopefully it does not cause cancer.
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When the combination of rising local salaries and higher administrative overhead due to differing timezones and cultures largely eat away the cost saving of outsourcing at the global level. When significant cost savings are no longer to be found the relative ranking of quality in team selection can only go up. I've read that this is already starting to happen in India with the cheapest at any cost people increasingly looking to poorer coders elsewhere.
One day something like this will surely happen: NYC -> India -> China -> Thailand -> Romania -> Egypt -> Atlanta, GA
Bar fomos edo pariyart gedeem, agreo eo dranem abal edyero eyrem kalm kareore
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
hay you or copyeng the what is we hvae copywrited in India. shat the fakup.
Relax and have a little Japanese gir sushi.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Japanese gir sushi... Yumm! :)
Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
copywrited
See, this is the problem with Indians. Everybody knows it's 'copywrote'.
Cheers, Vıkram.
"You idiot British surprise me that your generators which grew up after Mid 50s had no brain at all." - Adnan Siddiqi.
Saree sir. :laugh:
Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]
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anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
Is this due to Indian people not able to follow dead line?
Some crazy marketing or gibberish managers promise a 3 hour shuttle service between Madras and Mars besides just trying to get low-cost low-profile staff on the pretext of cost-cutting. Someone in the forum once humourously quoted "You pay peanuts and end up getting monkeys". If that is the state of affairs, where on earth, are we going to focus on quality. We just are swelling in quantity with the number of street corner software development centers mushrooming up on every slum in our place.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespeareVery well put. Sadly, this trend is going to create a bad impression about Indian software development industry in general. Actually, it already has happened. :(
Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]
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OK, to be as helpful as I can - indian teams in my experience told me they'd do what I said, then did something else, then disappeared when the deadline appeared and the code didn't. I inevitably ended up doing most of the work myself at the last minute.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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One day something like this will surely happen: NYC -> India -> China -> Thailand -> Romania -> Egypt -> Atlanta, GA
Bar fomos edo pariyart gedeem, agreo eo dranem abal edyero eyrem kalm kareore
India's already outsourcing to Mexico! :rolleyes: