Security suites suck
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Yes they do. Really, Norton Internet Security could easily chew up all my RAM in milliseconds. And they have protections against things I don't need. My browser has anti-phishing. I don't need hard drive encryption. I have a much more accurate ad-blocker, thank you. I have a anti-rootkit guys. Oh, no anti-spam for me because I don't use Outlook Express. (Which sucks) I don't need I another backup client, I already have one. (Manual copy) There's a lot more, but I don't need them. Heck, even the stand-alone version of Norton Anti-Virus has anti-spyware. (Well that's good because Windows Defender can't catch things that NAV easily catches) Trend Micro are liars. They sell us slow, bloated, and expensive licenses to suites when we don't need them.
Think about that next time you're illegally downloading music; you're not only killing Metallica, you're killing forests and bald eagles and crap. And Smokey Bear's band. - Jake Vinson, of Daily WTF fame The cloud is a lie - it sucks!
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Yes they do. Really, Norton Internet Security could easily chew up all my RAM in milliseconds. And they have protections against things I don't need. My browser has anti-phishing. I don't need hard drive encryption. I have a much more accurate ad-blocker, thank you. I have a anti-rootkit guys. Oh, no anti-spam for me because I don't use Outlook Express. (Which sucks) I don't need I another backup client, I already have one. (Manual copy) There's a lot more, but I don't need them. Heck, even the stand-alone version of Norton Anti-Virus has anti-spyware. (Well that's good because Windows Defender can't catch things that NAV easily catches) Trend Micro are liars. They sell us slow, bloated, and expensive licenses to suites when we don't need them.
Think about that next time you're illegally downloading music; you're not only killing Metallica, you're killing forests and bald eagles and crap. And Smokey Bear's band. - Jake Vinson, of Daily WTF fame The cloud is a lie - it sucks!
Indeed, I often see the full Norton with a rebate for the full price, but there's no way I'm going to get it. I'm still running NAV 2005. My employer changes anti-virus software frequently (at least it seems so) and the worst I've seen is F-Prot (?)... it would take 50% CPU when I opened an Excel file. :omg: I'd have to kill it via Task Manager twice before I could do any work on the file.
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Yes they do. Really, Norton Internet Security could easily chew up all my RAM in milliseconds. And they have protections against things I don't need. My browser has anti-phishing. I don't need hard drive encryption. I have a much more accurate ad-blocker, thank you. I have a anti-rootkit guys. Oh, no anti-spam for me because I don't use Outlook Express. (Which sucks) I don't need I another backup client, I already have one. (Manual copy) There's a lot more, but I don't need them. Heck, even the stand-alone version of Norton Anti-Virus has anti-spyware. (Well that's good because Windows Defender can't catch things that NAV easily catches) Trend Micro are liars. They sell us slow, bloated, and expensive licenses to suites when we don't need them.
Think about that next time you're illegally downloading music; you're not only killing Metallica, you're killing forests and bald eagles and crap. And Smokey Bear's band. - Jake Vinson, of Daily WTF fame The cloud is a lie - it sucks!
...arguments about the effectiveness of the suite aside. Why buy a suite ...and then complain that it already provides all the pieces that you already have? Your bad. They "provide protections against things [you] don't need" because you already did all the research and pieced it all together yourself? That's like saying: "I bought a high-end motherboard, a water-cooled case, 1TB HD, 4GB RAM, 256MB video card, and Windows Server 2008. Then Dell sold me a bunch of stuff I don't need."
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Yes they do. Really, Norton Internet Security could easily chew up all my RAM in milliseconds. And they have protections against things I don't need. My browser has anti-phishing. I don't need hard drive encryption. I have a much more accurate ad-blocker, thank you. I have a anti-rootkit guys. Oh, no anti-spam for me because I don't use Outlook Express. (Which sucks) I don't need I another backup client, I already have one. (Manual copy) There's a lot more, but I don't need them. Heck, even the stand-alone version of Norton Anti-Virus has anti-spyware. (Well that's good because Windows Defender can't catch things that NAV easily catches) Trend Micro are liars. They sell us slow, bloated, and expensive licenses to suites when we don't need them.
Think about that next time you're illegally downloading music; you're not only killing Metallica, you're killing forests and bald eagles and crap. And Smokey Bear's band. - Jake Vinson, of Daily WTF fame The cloud is a lie - it sucks!
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...arguments about the effectiveness of the suite aside. Why buy a suite ...and then complain that it already provides all the pieces that you already have? Your bad. They "provide protections against things [you] don't need" because you already did all the research and pieced it all together yourself? That's like saying: "I bought a high-end motherboard, a water-cooled case, 1TB HD, 4GB RAM, 256MB video card, and Windows Server 2008. Then Dell sold me a bunch of stuff I don't need."
ssclaire wrote:
Why buy a suite
And what if he didn't actually buy it but it came pre-installed on his new computer?
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ssclaire wrote:
Why buy a suite
And what if he didn't actually buy it but it came pre-installed on his new computer?
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Yes they do. Really, Norton Internet Security could easily chew up all my RAM in milliseconds. And they have protections against things I don't need. My browser has anti-phishing. I don't need hard drive encryption. I have a much more accurate ad-blocker, thank you. I have a anti-rootkit guys. Oh, no anti-spam for me because I don't use Outlook Express. (Which sucks) I don't need I another backup client, I already have one. (Manual copy) There's a lot more, but I don't need them. Heck, even the stand-alone version of Norton Anti-Virus has anti-spyware. (Well that's good because Windows Defender can't catch things that NAV easily catches) Trend Micro are liars. They sell us slow, bloated, and expensive licenses to suites when we don't need them.
Think about that next time you're illegally downloading music; you're not only killing Metallica, you're killing forests and bald eagles and crap. And Smokey Bear's band. - Jake Vinson, of Daily WTF fame The cloud is a lie - it sucks!
What is an example of an anti-rootkit app?
Todd Smith
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What is an example of an anti-rootkit app?
Todd Smith
Systernals Rootkit revealer (owned by MS) and F-Secure BlackLight. (my preferred one)
Think about that next time you're illegally downloading music; you're not only killing Metallica, you're killing forests and bald eagles and crap. And Smokey Bear's band. - Jake Vinson, of Daily WTF fame The cloud is a lie - it sucks!
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ssclaire wrote:
Why buy a suite
And what if he didn't actually buy it but it came pre-installed on his new computer?
It did. I removed as soon as the trial expired and replaced it with just the AV.
Think about that next time you're illegally downloading music; you're not only killing Metallica, you're killing forests and bald eagles and crap. And Smokey Bear's band. - Jake Vinson, of Daily WTF fame The cloud is a lie - it sucks!
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Indeed, I often see the full Norton with a rebate for the full price, but there's no way I'm going to get it. I'm still running NAV 2005. My employer changes anti-virus software frequently (at least it seems so) and the worst I've seen is F-Prot (?)... it would take 50% CPU when I opened an Excel file. :omg: I'd have to kill it via Task Manager twice before I could do any work on the file.
I'm running 2008, so I'm at least up to date.
Think about that next time you're illegally downloading music; you're not only killing Metallica, you're killing forests and bald eagles and crap. And Smokey Bear's band. - Jake Vinson, of Daily WTF fame The cloud is a lie - it sucks!
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...arguments about the effectiveness of the suite aside. Why buy a suite ...and then complain that it already provides all the pieces that you already have? Your bad. They "provide protections against things [you] don't need" because you already did all the research and pieced it all together yourself? That's like saying: "I bought a high-end motherboard, a water-cooled case, 1TB HD, 4GB RAM, 256MB video card, and Windows Server 2008. Then Dell sold me a bunch of stuff I don't need."
ssclaire wrote:
4GB RAM, 256MB
Hmm. I consider these to be low end. I mean A 256MB graphics card can be had for $30US and 4GB of Quality DDR2 is less than $85US. The rest is high end though...
John
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My solution is Avast[^] and the built in Vista Firewall. I've been running that (also on XP with the built-in firewall) for the last 6 or so years and no issues. In fact most of the time Avast is turned off and I only scan once every few months. If I ever visit any "dubious" sites then Avast is sometimes turned on.
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One of my systems has Avast, and it's the biggest resource hog I've had. It seems to do a decent job for a free tool, but I don't recommend it. I currently use BitDefender for performance and effectiveness on my Windows desktops.
Currently taking up 2.7MB of RAM on my 6GB system so can't be that bad! :~. I did say that I run with it off all the time, plus I rigorously keep the system clean of junk and that has a greater effect on system performance than running or not running the antivirus.
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Currently taking up 2.7MB of RAM on my 6GB system so can't be that bad! :~. I did say that I run with it off all the time, plus I rigorously keep the system clean of junk and that has a greater effect on system performance than running or not running the antivirus.
"run with it off all the time" (Ed.Poore) Yeah, that explains it. I have all the critical features enabled on my machine, since its connected to net 24/7. Compared to other security suites I have, it uses many more resources to do the scanning. In any case, I think security suites are too reactive in nature. I've been recommending DefenseWall, an intrusion prevention system. It's method is simple: defines every app as trusted or untrusted, and sandboxes all untrusted apps from critical system areas. As soon as app is finished, all data it produced or changes it made are cleared automatically. In rigorous independent tests, it manage to stop most malware, without even knowing it was there. DW is an effective defense against zero-day exploits. Still good to have an AV and firewall, though.
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What is an example of an anti-rootkit app?
Todd Smith