If you had the choice [Content Warning]
-
Martin Marvinski wrote: You never gave me a bath once! Exactly. I hate it that much. Also, you're circumcised; no-one wants to see that.
Punctuation in The Soapbox? I think not... ---
Shog9 If I could sleep forever, I could forget about everything...
Shog9 wrote: Also, you're circumcised; no-one wants to see that. Then don't look down, because I think we're in the same boat!
-
Chris Losinger wrote: snipping a bit off the end is not a tragedy. Circumcision takes off about 1/3 of the total penile skin. It isn't just a little off the top. Chris Losinger wrote: m(b)illions of people have lived through it, and probably 90% of them probably never even gave it a second thought. That argument is not valid. If this were a debate class, you would get an F, because that statment only proves nothing. Millions have gone through genocide, slavery, communism,and rape. Does that make it right? The fact is that we live in a country that has the rule of law. This means people, including children have rights.
Martin Marvinski wrote: That argument is not valid sure it is. you're claiming huge amounts of suffering, yet the amount of suffering is small, and likely very small (aside from the procedure itself, which nobody remembers anyway). you can't have a tragedy if the effects are neglible. you can have an unfavorable situation, an insult, maybe a situation in need of change. but not a "tragedy". Martin Marvinski wrote: genocide, slavery, communism,and rape yup - it's right up there with genocide. shameful. Martin Marvinski wrote: The fact is that we live in a country that has the rule of law. This means people, including children have rights. and this non-sequitur would fail you in debate class. people are assumed to have rights regardless of any law - that's pretty much the basis of the Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness... law comes later. -c
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt
-
Martin Marvinski wrote: That argument is not valid sure it is. you're claiming huge amounts of suffering, yet the amount of suffering is small, and likely very small (aside from the procedure itself, which nobody remembers anyway). you can't have a tragedy if the effects are neglible. you can have an unfavorable situation, an insult, maybe a situation in need of change. but not a "tragedy". Martin Marvinski wrote: genocide, slavery, communism,and rape yup - it's right up there with genocide. shameful. Martin Marvinski wrote: The fact is that we live in a country that has the rule of law. This means people, including children have rights. and this non-sequitur would fail you in debate class. people are assumed to have rights regardless of any law - that's pretty much the basis of the Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness... law comes later. -c
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt
Chris Losinger wrote: you can't have a tragedy if the effects are neglible http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/1f21e.htm[^] Chris Losinger wrote: genocide, slavery, communism,and rape yup - it's right up there with genocide. shameful. It may not be as bad as genocide, but it is as bad or worse than rape. I bet a rape or incest victim wouldn't think too kindly of you saying this about her trauma: "yet the amount of suffering is small, and likely very small (aside from the procedure itself, which nobody remembers anyway). you can't have a tragedy if the effects are neglible." Chris Losinger wrote: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness... You are right, it was a non sequitur. You made my case even more strong because now it holds true regardless if you live in a country that has the rule of law. :)
-
Would you have agreed with being circumcised as a baby? Or would you have elected to keep your foreskin. If I, as an infant, had the voice, would never have consented. I do believe that there are some of you who would say, "Yes, snip it off! I don't care about not having pain-relief, cause babes don't feel pain!". I have always wondered; if doctors couldn't figure out that babies feel pain for hundreds of years, how can they even be qualified to suggest that circumcision is even good?
Kids should be allowed to vote as well. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
-
Christian Graus wrote: I think you should talk to a psychiatrist I disagree. When someone encounters an injustice, does that make him insane when educates people about it? Would you give that advice to Martin Luther King when he stood up to racism and discrimination? If a rape victim became an advocate against violence against women, would you tell her that her activism is a mental disorder? Many cancer survivers go on Cancer runs, and donate money to research. Victims of molestation campaign for stricter sentences for molesters. I have accepted the fact that I have lost, and it isn't about me at all. My goal is just to make people stop and think, and just maybe I'll win a few hearts. :)
Martin Marvinski wrote: My goal is just to make people stop and think, and just maybe I'll win a few hearts. You have my vote. I think it's a sick, barbaric and inhuman practice. It's something that deserved to have been left in the dark ages where it belongs. People should be expressing their shock that young male children ever had to experience this at all. What a completlely stupid idea to do that to someone anyway. I mean, did people really think it was necessary to improve on the human body for some reason? The part of the body in question is obviously there for a reason. If you lose it, your body adapts accordingly, in my opinion not for the better. Luckily I was never subjected to this horrific procedure and I feel sorry for anyone that has. Anything that reduces sensation has to be a bad thing surely. Is it really surprising then, that this primitive practice is associated with certain religions? "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
-
Christian Graus wrote: I think you should talk to a psychiatrist I disagree. When someone encounters an injustice, does that make him insane when educates people about it? Would you give that advice to Martin Luther King when he stood up to racism and discrimination? If a rape victim became an advocate against violence against women, would you tell her that her activism is a mental disorder? Many cancer survivers go on Cancer runs, and donate money to research. Victims of molestation campaign for stricter sentences for molesters. I have accepted the fact that I have lost, and it isn't about me at all. My goal is just to make people stop and think, and just maybe I'll win a few hearts. :)
Move to Britain then. I'm sure it's been said many times in the other threads on this topic, but over here it's the norm to be uncut. (And I've been told by friends who've dated American girls that they've been somewhat perplexed when faced with the unknown!) The only people who get circumsized have it done for religious or medical reasons (medical as in "There is a problem" not "they may one day be a problem if he never washes it") -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
-
Move to Britain then. I'm sure it's been said many times in the other threads on this topic, but over here it's the norm to be uncut. (And I've been told by friends who've dated American girls that they've been somewhat perplexed when faced with the unknown!) The only people who get circumsized have it done for religious or medical reasons (medical as in "There is a problem" not "they may one day be a problem if he never washes it") -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: American girls that they've been somewhat perplexed when faced with the unknown Surely they can work it out? :) benjymous wrote: Move to Britain then. But it's too late for him unless you mean it will magically reappear as soon as the plane lands on UK soil :) I know, I know, this has the possibility of turning into a Carry-On film... "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
-
Would you have agreed with being circumcised as a baby? Or would you have elected to keep your foreskin. If I, as an infant, had the voice, would never have consented. I do believe that there are some of you who would say, "Yes, snip it off! I don't care about not having pain-relief, cause babes don't feel pain!". I have always wondered; if doctors couldn't figure out that babies feel pain for hundreds of years, how can they even be qualified to suggest that circumcision is even good?
Isn't it great to live in a day and age when there is so little true injustice to concern ourselves with that we feel the need to appeal to such trivial nonsense as circumcision just to have something to feel all morally superior about? I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
-
Kids should be allowed to vote as well. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
I have to disagree, Colin. Voting should be considered a priviledge restricted to a few worthy individuals (such as myself, for example) not a birth right granted by default to everyone. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
-
benjymous wrote: American girls that they've been somewhat perplexed when faced with the unknown Surely they can work it out? :) benjymous wrote: Move to Britain then. But it's too late for him unless you mean it will magically reappear as soon as the plane lands on UK soil :) I know, I know, this has the possibility of turning into a Carry-On film... "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
Too late for him, yes. But at least he won't be kept up at nights worrying about the barbaric things happening to children around him -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
-
Shog9 wrote: Also, you're circumcised; no-one wants to see that. Then don't look down, because I think we're in the same boat!
-
Isn't it great to live in a day and age when there is so little true injustice to concern ourselves with that we feel the need to appeal to such trivial nonsense as circumcision just to have something to feel all morally superior about? I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
-
Chris Losinger wrote: you can't have a tragedy if the effects are neglible http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/1f21e.htm[^] Chris Losinger wrote: genocide, slavery, communism,and rape yup - it's right up there with genocide. shameful. It may not be as bad as genocide, but it is as bad or worse than rape. I bet a rape or incest victim wouldn't think too kindly of you saying this about her trauma: "yet the amount of suffering is small, and likely very small (aside from the procedure itself, which nobody remembers anyway). you can't have a tragedy if the effects are neglible." Chris Losinger wrote: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness... You are right, it was a non sequitur. You made my case even more strong because now it holds true regardless if you live in a country that has the rule of law. :)
Martin Marvinski wrote: _http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/1f21e.htm\[^\]_ i don't need your link. i have 31 years of experience in my pants. Martin Marvinski wrote: You made my case even more strong nah, it's still weak. anyway, have fun discussing this - i'm going to the beach. -c
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt
-
Would you have agreed with being circumcised as a baby? Or would you have elected to keep your foreskin. If I, as an infant, had the voice, would never have consented. I do believe that there are some of you who would say, "Yes, snip it off! I don't care about not having pain-relief, cause babes don't feel pain!". I have always wondered; if doctors couldn't figure out that babies feel pain for hundreds of years, how can they even be qualified to suggest that circumcision is even good?
-
Would you have agreed with being circumcised as a baby? Or would you have elected to keep your foreskin. If I, as an infant, had the voice, would never have consented. I do believe that there are some of you who would say, "Yes, snip it off! I don't care about not having pain-relief, cause babes don't feel pain!". I have always wondered; if doctors couldn't figure out that babies feel pain for hundreds of years, how can they even be qualified to suggest that circumcision is even good?
I am damn glad I was circumcised as a baby. I'm glad the procedure was done, and I sure as hell don't care how I felt about it at the time (I have absolutly no memory of it). Better then than now, ouch. Ryan Johnston
-
I am damn glad I was circumcised as a baby. I'm glad the procedure was done, and I sure as hell don't care how I felt about it at the time (I have absolutly no memory of it). Better then than now, ouch. Ryan Johnston
Ryan Johnston wrote: I am damn glad I was circumcised as a baby. May I ask why?
-
I read that most people don't have problems. What if you were one of the people that got an infection, or had adhesions because of a circumcision? It happens more than people think.
-
Christian Graus wrote: I think you should talk to a psychiatrist I disagree. When someone encounters an injustice, does that make him insane when educates people about it? Would you give that advice to Martin Luther King when he stood up to racism and discrimination? If a rape victim became an advocate against violence against women, would you tell her that her activism is a mental disorder? Many cancer survivers go on Cancer runs, and donate money to research. Victims of molestation campaign for stricter sentences for molesters. I have accepted the fact that I have lost, and it isn't about me at all. My goal is just to make people stop and think, and just maybe I'll win a few hearts. :)
Good lord, man! You're comparing circumcision to racial discrimination, rape, molestation and cancer??!! Have you ever faced any of these things personally? I have and I can tell you there is no comparison. I think Christian is right, you need to go see a shrink to get over your obsession.
Mike Mullikin :beer: You can't really dust for vomit. Nigel Tufnel - Spinal Tap
-
Would you have agreed with being circumcised as a baby? Or would you have elected to keep your foreskin. If I, as an infant, had the voice, would never have consented. I do believe that there are some of you who would say, "Yes, snip it off! I don't care about not having pain-relief, cause babes don't feel pain!". I have always wondered; if doctors couldn't figure out that babies feel pain for hundreds of years, how can they even be qualified to suggest that circumcision is even good?
Well, given what I'll be going through in a couple of years or so, I'd be pretty mad if it had been done to me - it makes GRS/SRS surgery much harder, and I really don't fancy the idea of having skin grafts. :eek: As I've said before, circumcision should be banned unless the subject is a consenting adult.