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  • D daniilzol

    The whole point of having a door is to have a quieter computer, in particular to muffle the sound of spinning DVD drive. The hole in a door defeats the entire purpose of having case with a door.

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    Le centriste
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    I think it was a joke.

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    • D daniilzol

      The whole point of having a door is to have a quieter computer, in particular to muffle the sound of spinning DVD drive. The hole in a door defeats the entire purpose of having case with a door.

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      Ummm, I think he was just being sarcastic.

      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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      "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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      • K keyboard warrior

        now that is thinking outside the box.

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        jgasm wrote:

        now that is thinking outside the box.

        All the way outside... :)

        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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        • D daniilzol

          The whole point of having a door is to have a quieter computer, in particular to muffle the sound of spinning DVD drive. The hole in a door defeats the entire purpose of having case with a door.

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          Lost User
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          Me thinks Mr. Butty was joking... :rolleyes:

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          • D daniilzol

            Inspired by the Instant-On feature thread. Seeing how Microsoft is unwilling to fix broken Vista usability and chooses to spend its time implementing features no one will ever use, I'm going to start posting daily vista rants. Each day I'm going to rant on some annoying Vista feature that should have never seen the light of day or should have been fixed already. I have enough material for about a week to come, after that I suppose rants will become more sporadic. Today's rant is about dvd drive auto eject feature in Vista. Since windows 95 when you clicked on CD/DVD drive in explorer, it would give a nice and descriptive warning that there is "no cd in the drive". In an effort to make computer more user friendly Vista now automatically ejects the drive tray if there is no drive in it. I'm sure somebody at Microsoft thought this was a nice idea, except it isn't. I have a case with a door which I like very much because it muffles sound from optical drives (ironically). Now every time I click on CD/DVD node by mistake, the tray opens and hits the door. Two things happen, either the door flies open, or I hear a thud and have to hurry up to open the door so that the tray may open. Sooner or later it is going to break the tray ejection mechanism, and I sure as hell do not want to pay close to two hundred dollars to replace my Plextor Premium drive that I use to rip audio CDs. Now, you'd think Microsoft provided a way to turn off this feature. Not so. After googling the only way to "fix" it is to disable built in burning capability in Vista. Why would somebody tie auto eject feature to built in burning ability is way beyond me. Must be the result of all the outsourcing to India.

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            I fixed all my Vista rants by upgrading to XP.

            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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            • D daniilzol

              Inspired by the Instant-On feature thread. Seeing how Microsoft is unwilling to fix broken Vista usability and chooses to spend its time implementing features no one will ever use, I'm going to start posting daily vista rants. Each day I'm going to rant on some annoying Vista feature that should have never seen the light of day or should have been fixed already. I have enough material for about a week to come, after that I suppose rants will become more sporadic. Today's rant is about dvd drive auto eject feature in Vista. Since windows 95 when you clicked on CD/DVD drive in explorer, it would give a nice and descriptive warning that there is "no cd in the drive". In an effort to make computer more user friendly Vista now automatically ejects the drive tray if there is no drive in it. I'm sure somebody at Microsoft thought this was a nice idea, except it isn't. I have a case with a door which I like very much because it muffles sound from optical drives (ironically). Now every time I click on CD/DVD node by mistake, the tray opens and hits the door. Two things happen, either the door flies open, or I hear a thud and have to hurry up to open the door so that the tray may open. Sooner or later it is going to break the tray ejection mechanism, and I sure as hell do not want to pay close to two hundred dollars to replace my Plextor Premium drive that I use to rip audio CDs. Now, you'd think Microsoft provided a way to turn off this feature. Not so. After googling the only way to "fix" it is to disable built in burning capability in Vista. Why would somebody tie auto eject feature to built in burning ability is way beyond me. Must be the result of all the outsourcing to India.

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              Rajesh R Subramanian
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              JazzJackRabbit wrote:

              Must be the result of all the outsourcing to India.

              The tray ejects when I click on the dvd icon. The Indians. They are the reason. :rolleyes: I'm appalled. I enjoyed reading the entire rant, but this conclusion is just baseless, senseless. Not because I live in India, but because it is baseless. I would have said this if any other country was mentioned too.

              Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]

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              • D daniilzol

                Inspired by the Instant-On feature thread. Seeing how Microsoft is unwilling to fix broken Vista usability and chooses to spend its time implementing features no one will ever use, I'm going to start posting daily vista rants. Each day I'm going to rant on some annoying Vista feature that should have never seen the light of day or should have been fixed already. I have enough material for about a week to come, after that I suppose rants will become more sporadic. Today's rant is about dvd drive auto eject feature in Vista. Since windows 95 when you clicked on CD/DVD drive in explorer, it would give a nice and descriptive warning that there is "no cd in the drive". In an effort to make computer more user friendly Vista now automatically ejects the drive tray if there is no drive in it. I'm sure somebody at Microsoft thought this was a nice idea, except it isn't. I have a case with a door which I like very much because it muffles sound from optical drives (ironically). Now every time I click on CD/DVD node by mistake, the tray opens and hits the door. Two things happen, either the door flies open, or I hear a thud and have to hurry up to open the door so that the tray may open. Sooner or later it is going to break the tray ejection mechanism, and I sure as hell do not want to pay close to two hundred dollars to replace my Plextor Premium drive that I use to rip audio CDs. Now, you'd think Microsoft provided a way to turn off this feature. Not so. After googling the only way to "fix" it is to disable built in burning capability in Vista. Why would somebody tie auto eject feature to built in burning ability is way beyond me. Must be the result of all the outsourcing to India.

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                phannon86
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                This issue doesn't effect me, my drive is of the slot loading variety :) Sounds very irritating though!

                He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man

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                • D daniilzol

                  Inspired by the Instant-On feature thread. Seeing how Microsoft is unwilling to fix broken Vista usability and chooses to spend its time implementing features no one will ever use, I'm going to start posting daily vista rants. Each day I'm going to rant on some annoying Vista feature that should have never seen the light of day or should have been fixed already. I have enough material for about a week to come, after that I suppose rants will become more sporadic. Today's rant is about dvd drive auto eject feature in Vista. Since windows 95 when you clicked on CD/DVD drive in explorer, it would give a nice and descriptive warning that there is "no cd in the drive". In an effort to make computer more user friendly Vista now automatically ejects the drive tray if there is no drive in it. I'm sure somebody at Microsoft thought this was a nice idea, except it isn't. I have a case with a door which I like very much because it muffles sound from optical drives (ironically). Now every time I click on CD/DVD node by mistake, the tray opens and hits the door. Two things happen, either the door flies open, or I hear a thud and have to hurry up to open the door so that the tray may open. Sooner or later it is going to break the tray ejection mechanism, and I sure as hell do not want to pay close to two hundred dollars to replace my Plextor Premium drive that I use to rip audio CDs. Now, you'd think Microsoft provided a way to turn off this feature. Not so. After googling the only way to "fix" it is to disable built in burning capability in Vista. Why would somebody tie auto eject feature to built in burning ability is way beyond me. Must be the result of all the outsourcing to India.

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                  Vikram A Punathambekar
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                  I agreed with all of your post, except the very last line.

                  JazzJackRabbit wrote:

                  Must be the result of all the outsourcing to India.

                  Just what are you claiming? That this feature was thought up and written in India? How do you know this? :suss: "Feature X is stupid, so it must have done by an Indian." If it turned out tomorrow this feature was implemented by an American programmer, would you make such sweeping statements against your own countrymen?

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                    JazzJackRabbit wrote:

                    Must be the result of all the outsourcing to India.

                    The tray ejects when I click on the dvd icon. The Indians. They are the reason. :rolleyes: I'm appalled. I enjoyed reading the entire rant, but this conclusion is just baseless, senseless. Not because I live in India, but because it is baseless. I would have said this if any other country was mentioned too.

                    Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]

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                    Vikram A Punathambekar
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                    Look below. :sigh:

                    Cheers, Vıkram.


                    "You idiot British surprise me that your generators which grew up after Mid 50s had no brain at all." - Adnan Siddiqi.

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                    • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                      JazzJackRabbit wrote:

                      Must be the result of all the outsourcing to India.

                      The tray ejects when I click on the dvd icon. The Indians. They are the reason. :rolleyes: I'm appalled. I enjoyed reading the entire rant, but this conclusion is just baseless, senseless. Not because I live in India, but because it is baseless. I would have said this if any other country was mentioned too.

                      Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]

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                      daniilzol
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                      Microsoft is rapidly hiring Indians, it has been pushing for H1-B program expansion for years with Bill Gates testifying before Congress, and it has been moving their development centers to India. It might not be a convincing argument, but it certainly isn't a baseless one. Aside from that, can you offer any other logical reasoning behind this "feature"? And keep in mind, it's not just this one feature, there are lots more to come in the next days.

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                        I agreed with all of your post, except the very last line.

                        JazzJackRabbit wrote:

                        Must be the result of all the outsourcing to India.

                        Just what are you claiming? That this feature was thought up and written in India? How do you know this? :suss: "Feature X is stupid, so it must have done by an Indian." If it turned out tomorrow this feature was implemented by an American programmer, would you make such sweeping statements against your own countrymen?

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                        Yes I would because it would mean they are regressing on the evolution scale.

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                        • D daniilzol

                          Yes I would because it would mean they are regressing on the evolution scale.

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                          El Corazon
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                          JazzJackRabbit wrote:

                          it would mean they are regressing on the evolution scale.

                          BS. The command line kid is American and I am cursed to deal with him.

                          _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                            I fixed all my Vista rants by upgrading to XP.

                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                            El Corazon
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                            We're even, I fixed all my XP rants by upgrading to 64bit Vista. ;P speaking of... I tried to launch a Virtual machine I use regularly at home (Vista U64) on my new workstation at work (XP-32).... ugh... :doh: I really wish they would have let me design my own machine this time. oh well, they have to learn somehow.

                            _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                              Microsoft is rapidly hiring Indians, it has been pushing for H1-B program expansion for years with Bill Gates testifying before Congress, and it has been moving their development centers to India. It might not be a convincing argument, but it certainly isn't a baseless one. Aside from that, can you offer any other logical reasoning behind this "feature"? And keep in mind, it's not just this one feature, there are lots more to come in the next days.

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                              El Corazon
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                              JazzJackRabbit wrote:

                              but it certainly isn't a baseless one.

                              yes it is. The fact that you have a garage for your car does not make you a mechanic by default. I have obviously seen more idiotic Americans than you, we have no need of a foreign country to find idiots from, which is the point of rants against hiring MORE from anywhere else, we already have our fill of idiots and they were already, unfortunately, ours to keep.

                              _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                                JazzJackRabbit wrote:

                                it would mean they are regressing on the evolution scale.

                                BS. The command line kid is American and I am cursed to deal with him.

                                _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                                daniilzol
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                                Actually I was replying to this statement: "If it turned out tomorrow this feature was implemented by an American programmer, would you make such sweeping statements against your own countrymen?" So you just proved the point. The command line kid is clearly regressing. Or at the very least not evolving.

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                                  Inspired by the Instant-On feature thread. Seeing how Microsoft is unwilling to fix broken Vista usability and chooses to spend its time implementing features no one will ever use, I'm going to start posting daily vista rants. Each day I'm going to rant on some annoying Vista feature that should have never seen the light of day or should have been fixed already. I have enough material for about a week to come, after that I suppose rants will become more sporadic. Today's rant is about dvd drive auto eject feature in Vista. Since windows 95 when you clicked on CD/DVD drive in explorer, it would give a nice and descriptive warning that there is "no cd in the drive". In an effort to make computer more user friendly Vista now automatically ejects the drive tray if there is no drive in it. I'm sure somebody at Microsoft thought this was a nice idea, except it isn't. I have a case with a door which I like very much because it muffles sound from optical drives (ironically). Now every time I click on CD/DVD node by mistake, the tray opens and hits the door. Two things happen, either the door flies open, or I hear a thud and have to hurry up to open the door so that the tray may open. Sooner or later it is going to break the tray ejection mechanism, and I sure as hell do not want to pay close to two hundred dollars to replace my Plextor Premium drive that I use to rip audio CDs. Now, you'd think Microsoft provided a way to turn off this feature. Not so. After googling the only way to "fix" it is to disable built in burning capability in Vista. Why would somebody tie auto eject feature to built in burning ability is way beyond me. Must be the result of all the outsourcing to India.

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                                  Luca Leonardo Scorcia
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                                  Interesting. My Windows Server 2008 it does not behave this way, when I click on a drive it shows the old dialog. Since they share most of the code, there should be a setting somewhere. Don't you like riddles? :)

                                  Luca The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. -- Wing Commander IV En Það Besta Sem Guð Hefur Skapað, Er Nýr Dagur. (But the best thing God has created, is a New Day.) -- Sigur Ròs - Viðrar vel til loftárása

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                                  • D daniilzol

                                    Actually I was replying to this statement: "If it turned out tomorrow this feature was implemented by an American programmer, would you make such sweeping statements against your own countrymen?" So you just proved the point. The command line kid is clearly regressing. Or at the very least not evolving.

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                                    JazzJackRabbit wrote:

                                    Or at the very least not evolving.

                                    correct. in that much. There are those who will not evolve. I have been accused of the same by those who have really no earthly idea what I do because I barely cover a fraction of my job functions. It isn't about regression really, nor about country. We've got idiots, they've got idiots. We've got smart people, they've got smart people. Although the smarter people do not always earn more, the idiots usually (not always) earn less. Companies seeking to lower their costs by hiring inexperience programmers generally hire idiots, usually because the guy thinking only of the salary of the programmer and not the overall balance of skills vs. salary is an idiot.... therefore idiots breed more idiots in a company.... Which has nothing to do with countries. The countries just get pulled in because the idiots are searching for more idiots and hey! they are idiots, so they look farther than they have to. :laugh:

                                    _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                                      Inspired by the Instant-On feature thread. Seeing how Microsoft is unwilling to fix broken Vista usability and chooses to spend its time implementing features no one will ever use, I'm going to start posting daily vista rants. Each day I'm going to rant on some annoying Vista feature that should have never seen the light of day or should have been fixed already. I have enough material for about a week to come, after that I suppose rants will become more sporadic. Today's rant is about dvd drive auto eject feature in Vista. Since windows 95 when you clicked on CD/DVD drive in explorer, it would give a nice and descriptive warning that there is "no cd in the drive". In an effort to make computer more user friendly Vista now automatically ejects the drive tray if there is no drive in it. I'm sure somebody at Microsoft thought this was a nice idea, except it isn't. I have a case with a door which I like very much because it muffles sound from optical drives (ironically). Now every time I click on CD/DVD node by mistake, the tray opens and hits the door. Two things happen, either the door flies open, or I hear a thud and have to hurry up to open the door so that the tray may open. Sooner or later it is going to break the tray ejection mechanism, and I sure as hell do not want to pay close to two hundred dollars to replace my Plextor Premium drive that I use to rip audio CDs. Now, you'd think Microsoft provided a way to turn off this feature. Not so. After googling the only way to "fix" it is to disable built in burning capability in Vista. Why would somebody tie auto eject feature to built in burning ability is way beyond me. Must be the result of all the outsourcing to India.

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                                      I have a friend that works at Microsoft (recent hire) who said the work ethic there is best described as "lazy". It sounds like they are rotting from the inside out. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/11/24.html[^] http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html[^]

                                      Todd Smith

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                                      • D daniilzol

                                        Inspired by the Instant-On feature thread. Seeing how Microsoft is unwilling to fix broken Vista usability and chooses to spend its time implementing features no one will ever use, I'm going to start posting daily vista rants. Each day I'm going to rant on some annoying Vista feature that should have never seen the light of day or should have been fixed already. I have enough material for about a week to come, after that I suppose rants will become more sporadic. Today's rant is about dvd drive auto eject feature in Vista. Since windows 95 when you clicked on CD/DVD drive in explorer, it would give a nice and descriptive warning that there is "no cd in the drive". In an effort to make computer more user friendly Vista now automatically ejects the drive tray if there is no drive in it. I'm sure somebody at Microsoft thought this was a nice idea, except it isn't. I have a case with a door which I like very much because it muffles sound from optical drives (ironically). Now every time I click on CD/DVD node by mistake, the tray opens and hits the door. Two things happen, either the door flies open, or I hear a thud and have to hurry up to open the door so that the tray may open. Sooner or later it is going to break the tray ejection mechanism, and I sure as hell do not want to pay close to two hundred dollars to replace my Plextor Premium drive that I use to rip audio CDs. Now, you'd think Microsoft provided a way to turn off this feature. Not so. After googling the only way to "fix" it is to disable built in burning capability in Vista. Why would somebody tie auto eject feature to built in burning ability is way beyond me. Must be the result of all the outsourcing to India.

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                                        Actually this has *always* been a flaw in all versions of windows in another way: if there is no disc in a drive, be it a floppy or cd, it should just present it with some kind of no disc icon and not let you select it because it's a nuisance to be able to select it in the first place.


                                        "It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson

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                                          JazzJackRabbit wrote:

                                          Or at the very least not evolving.

                                          correct. in that much. There are those who will not evolve. I have been accused of the same by those who have really no earthly idea what I do because I barely cover a fraction of my job functions. It isn't about regression really, nor about country. We've got idiots, they've got idiots. We've got smart people, they've got smart people. Although the smarter people do not always earn more, the idiots usually (not always) earn less. Companies seeking to lower their costs by hiring inexperience programmers generally hire idiots, usually because the guy thinking only of the salary of the programmer and not the overall balance of skills vs. salary is an idiot.... therefore idiots breed more idiots in a company.... Which has nothing to do with countries. The countries just get pulled in because the idiots are searching for more idiots and hey! they are idiots, so they look farther than they have to. :laugh:

                                          _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                                          daniilzol
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                                          Interesting view, and I suppose I will have to agree with it. Even in middle school you start seeing that smart students bunch up with other smart students, while stupid students bunch up with stupid students.

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