YADVR
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You didn't think I'd go back on my promise did you? Today's topic is yet again, explorer. It concerns how it handles DVD ejection if you were browsing files on DVD and forgot to change to C:\ after you were done. How does it handle? Not well, not well. The situation is 100% reproducible on my machine. To reproduce insert DVD in your drive, go into some folder just to be sure. Press eject button on the DVD drive itself. Watch explorer think for a couple of seconds, then change the status to "Not Responding" and then in another couple of seconds close itself. Here's a quick google search for the problem: google search link to prove I'm not insane I don't know why I'm even bothering to comment on this bug. Yes, it yet another obvious bug that Microsoft has not bothered to fix. In Windows XP if you ejected drive explorer would say "no disc" and switch to "my computer" which is perfectly fine. Not properly handling such common action as ejecting DVD is just... is just.... awwww frack it, I'm at a complete loss of words, I give up... Look tomorrow for next installment of YADVR.
In XP: 1. Open a folder (say C:\Test\Temp) 2. Open a second Explorer window, and navigate to the containing folder (C:\Test) 3. In the second window, delete the folder (ie delete the 'Temp' folder) 4. Watch how the first window magically closes itself. This isn't a Vista bug you are talking about, it's a Vista fix, to make handling missing removeable media consistent with missing / deleted folders.
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In XP: 1. Open a folder (say C:\Test\Temp) 2. Open a second Explorer window, and navigate to the containing folder (C:\Test) 3. In the second window, delete the folder (ie delete the 'Temp' folder) 4. Watch how the first window magically closes itself. This isn't a Vista bug you are talking about, it's a Vista fix, to make handling missing removeable media consistent with missing / deleted folders.
If I remove or dismount a drive in XP, Explorer jumps down to the next available drive in the tree. It doesn't close. That's what he's talking about.
Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon
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If I remove or dismount a drive in XP, Explorer jumps down to the next available drive in the tree. It doesn't close. That's what he's talking about.
Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon
Richard Jones wrote:
to the next available drive in the tree.
That's assuming the tree is displayed, of course. The OP doesn't say one way or the other.
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Why is closing the explorer window wrong? You were looking at the contents of a CD / DVD which was then ejected. No CD / DVD = Nothing to look at = No explorer window required. YADAR would be a better choice for your subject text (yet another dumb ass ranting)!
Steve Thresher wrote:
Why is closing the explorer window wrong? You were looking at the contents of a CD / DVD which was then ejected.
Because I simply do not appreciate when applications just close themselves, this includes explorer. If I use DVD drive, it's usually to copy files to my hard drive. In this case I usually have two explorers open, this is just a convenience thing so that I do not have to navigate back and forth in a single explorer. One explorer for DVD drive, one explorer for hdd location where I'm copying files. I insert DVD into drive, navigate to it in the first explorer, copy files, eject disc, insert another disc and reuse first explorer for DVD again. At least that's the way I used to do it in XP. It was convenient to know where my explorer windows are and to know that I could copy files with minimum effort. In Vista, I either have remember change location to C drive every time before I eject disc or reopen explorer. That's extra time I have to spend fiddling that I do not want to spend.
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Richard Jones wrote:
to the next available drive in the tree.
That's assuming the tree is displayed, of course. The OP doesn't say one way or the other.
True. I just tested that, and the tree must be displayed or the explorer closes. My guess is the scope of the explorer window is just the folder displayed. When that scope ends, the window must end too. A tree expands the scope to all drives.
Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon
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Steve Thresher wrote:
Why is closing the explorer window wrong? You were looking at the contents of a CD / DVD which was then ejected.
Because I simply do not appreciate when applications just close themselves, this includes explorer. If I use DVD drive, it's usually to copy files to my hard drive. In this case I usually have two explorers open, this is just a convenience thing so that I do not have to navigate back and forth in a single explorer. One explorer for DVD drive, one explorer for hdd location where I'm copying files. I insert DVD into drive, navigate to it in the first explorer, copy files, eject disc, insert another disc and reuse first explorer for DVD again. At least that's the way I used to do it in XP. It was convenient to know where my explorer windows are and to know that I could copy files with minimum effort. In Vista, I either have remember change location to C drive every time before I eject disc or reopen explorer. That's extra time I have to spend fiddling that I do not want to spend.
You should get a popup when you insert a CD / DVD asking you what you want to do, with options relevant to the content of the disk. The bottom option is always open with explorer (not sure on the exact text as I don't have any media to hand).
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Richard Jones wrote:
to the next available drive in the tree.
That's assuming the tree is displayed, of course. The OP doesn't say one way or the other.
The tree is always displayed, at least in my case. As far as different explorer behavior when tree is on/off, that's another WTF, explorer should NOT behave differently when tree is off. If a directory explorer is in is being deleted, ideal solution would be for explorer to go the the first undeleted folder in its path. And I still think it's wrong to close explorer. They should have made it consistent, but they should have made it consistent the other way, so that explorer without a tree does not close itself but goes up the tree path.
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The tree is always displayed, at least in my case. As far as different explorer behavior when tree is on/off, that's another WTF, explorer should NOT behave differently when tree is off. If a directory explorer is in is being deleted, ideal solution would be for explorer to go the the first undeleted folder in its path. And I still think it's wrong to close explorer. They should have made it consistent, but they should have made it consistent the other way, so that explorer without a tree does not close itself but goes up the tree path.
JazzJackRabbit wrote:
explorer without a tree does not close itself but goes up the tree path.
So, the path in Explorer is D:\This Folder\That Folder, and D: is a CD-ROM. You eject the CD. What "path" can you go up to?
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You should get a popup when you insert a CD / DVD asking you what you want to do, with options relevant to the content of the disk. The bottom option is always open with explorer (not sure on the exact text as I don't have any media to hand).
I disable all autoruns on my computer because I do not want malicious software being installed without my knowledge through autorun. If you do not remember there was a case when Sony put copy protection software on Audio CDs, and even if you clicked NO to install software prompted to you by autorun it would still install it. That's why I disable all autoruns. If I'm sure the disc is legit I can always run autorun manually.
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JazzJackRabbit wrote:
explorer without a tree does not close itself but goes up the tree path.
So, the path in Explorer is D:\This Folder\That Folder, and D: is a CD-ROM. You eject the CD. What "path" can you go up to?
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I disable all autoruns on my computer because I do not want malicious software being installed without my knowledge through autorun. If you do not remember there was a case when Sony put copy protection software on Audio CDs, and even if you clicked NO to install software prompted to you by autorun it would still install it. That's why I disable all autoruns. If I'm sure the disc is legit I can always run autorun manually.
Not an issue with UAC, but I'm guessing you've disabled that as well. If you consider yourself a hardcore user that always knows best, why don't you use the command line? It's generally faster and hasn't changed much since the days of DOS. Works for me.
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And suppose you have a network share open (from Start->Run \\Server\Share) (that isn't mapped to a drive), and the server shuts down, what then? Going to My Computer would make no sense, since it wasn't in the hierachy in the first place.
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The tree is always displayed, at least in my case. As far as different explorer behavior when tree is on/off, that's another WTF, explorer should NOT behave differently when tree is off. If a directory explorer is in is being deleted, ideal solution would be for explorer to go the the first undeleted folder in its path. And I still think it's wrong to close explorer. They should have made it consistent, but they should have made it consistent the other way, so that explorer without a tree does not close itself but goes up the tree path.
JazzJackRabbit wrote:
The tree is always displayed, at least in my case
And what behaviour would you expect if it wasn't?
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And suppose you have a network share open (from Start->Run \\Server\Share) (that isn't mapped to a drive), and the server shuts down, what then? Going to My Computer would make no sense, since it wasn't in the hierachy in the first place.
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If it was a mapped drive it would be in a hierarchy. If you connected directly to \\ServerName\SharedFolderName it would would still be in hierarchy under Network node. Check it.
JazzJackRabbit wrote:
Network node.
What's the proper name of that? I don't have anything called just 'Network'
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JazzJackRabbit wrote:
The tree is always displayed, at least in my case
And what behaviour would you expect if it wasn't?
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JazzJackRabbit wrote:
Network node.
What's the proper name of that? I don't have anything called just 'Network'
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Just network. I have it in my Vista explorer. It should be just below "Computer" node if you collapse it. Random pic from the web showing it[^]
Ah. I'm working using XP. In XP, shares like I was discussing don't appear in the shell namespace.
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Ah. I'm working using XP. In XP, shares like I was discussing don't appear in the shell namespace.
Possibly, I do not remember. Another point though, Vista handles remote shares going down and USB flash drives removals just fine. In the cases when remote server goes down or you unplug USB flash drive without warning Vista does switch to "My Computer". However, in case of DVD ejection it closes explorer. *shrug*
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The tree is always displayed, at least in my case. As far as different explorer behavior when tree is on/off, that's another WTF, explorer should NOT behave differently when tree is off. If a directory explorer is in is being deleted, ideal solution would be for explorer to go the the first undeleted folder in its path. And I still think it's wrong to close explorer. They should have made it consistent, but they should have made it consistent the other way, so that explorer without a tree does not close itself but goes up the tree path.
JazzJackRabbit wrote:
They should have made it consistent, but they should have made it consistent the other way, so that explorer without a tree does not close itself but goes up the tree path.
I have to disagree with you here... If I have a treeless window open on a folder and that folder disappears, I fully expect the window to disappear also. If it just changed to some other folder without telling me, the possibility of cutting/pasting/deleting files from the wrong folder will be greatly increased. Without the reference of the tree, it would be far too easy to make a mistake, thinking you were in one folder when in fact you are somewhere else entirely. For windows *with* a tree, then yes, pick another node in the tree if the underlying folder disappears.
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