Architecture in Texas
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Hi, reviewing MSDN's "Architecture" forum, I noticed the following... http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3748384&SiteID=1 According to this (from my reading), the term "Software Architect" is illegal in Texas! WTF Could cause some problems for all kinds of folks down there (figuratively, I'm in the UK so that's over there really). Any comments?
I believe it is similar in Florida with the term Software Engineer unless you are actually a State licensed engineer.
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Hi, reviewing MSDN's "Architecture" forum, I noticed the following... http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3748384&SiteID=1 According to this (from my reading), the term "Software Architect" is illegal in Texas! WTF Could cause some problems for all kinds of folks down there (figuratively, I'm in the UK so that's over there really). Any comments?
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I believe it is similar in Florida with the term Software Engineer unless you are actually a State licensed engineer.
Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.Interesting; I've never heard of that down here in Florida. There are quite a few local places that use the term "Software Engineer" to refer to a range of programming and development jobs within the state. Most such jobs are for code monkeys and require nothing more than the proverbial "[AA|BS] or equivalent work experience". Perhaps it is just not often enforced.
I have nothing against VB or .NET; all programming languages are respectable. It just seems that some languages attract one echelon of programmers, and other languages attract another echelon of programmers. :P
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Interesting; I've never heard of that down here in Florida. There are quite a few local places that use the term "Software Engineer" to refer to a range of programming and development jobs within the state. Most such jobs are for code monkeys and require nothing more than the proverbial "[AA|BS] or equivalent work experience". Perhaps it is just not often enforced.
I have nothing against VB or .NET; all programming languages are respectable. It just seems that some languages attract one echelon of programmers, and other languages attract another echelon of programmers. :P
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0471/ch0471.htm[^]
Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
Most of this sig is for Google, not ego. -
Hi, reviewing MSDN's "Architecture" forum, I noticed the following... http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3748384&SiteID=1 According to this (from my reading), the term "Software Architect" is illegal in Texas! WTF Could cause some problems for all kinds of folks down there (figuratively, I'm in the UK so that's over there really). Any comments?
Yep, the same is true for engineers. If one is not a Registered Professional Engineer, it is illegal to use the title of Engineer. Furthermore, any company that calls itself anything with engineer or engineering in the name or in advertising must be prepared to show that they do indeed have Registered Professional Engineers in their employ and that those Registered Professional Engineers do indeed review and accept responsibility for all products. And, yes, the state boards do take things seriously, mainly because there have been too many cases of someone calling themselves an engineer or architect and fooling the public when they are not qualified. How many (normal?) people would ask an "Architect" how to design an IT system or ask an "Engineer" what design patterns they use most in software? In my opinion, the choice of title as "Software Architect" or "Software Engineer" is unfortunate, because both "Architect" and "Engineer" had legal meanings previous to the invention of the software related terms. I guess it makes companies, HR groups and/or people feel better if they give those jobs a fancy name. Something different without a preexisting legal meaning, perhaps like "Designer" would just as well convey the meaning and intent and not infringe on legal terminology. Walt Fair, Jr., P.E., Texas #76129
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Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Hi, reviewing MSDN's "Architecture" forum, I noticed the following... http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3748384&SiteID=1 According to this (from my reading), the term "Software Architect" is illegal in Texas! WTF Could cause some problems for all kinds of folks down there (figuratively, I'm in the UK so that's over there really). Any comments?
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Hi, reviewing MSDN's "Architecture" forum, I noticed the following... http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3748384&SiteID=1 According to this (from my reading), the term "Software Architect" is illegal in Texas! WTF Could cause some problems for all kinds of folks down there (figuratively, I'm in the UK so that's over there really). Any comments?
I know Texas has a license proceedure for "Software Engineer", so I expect this means that they have a license for "Software Architect" as well. I don't live there any more, the software engineer license was just coming out the last year I worked there. One of the more humorous requirements was that you had to be approved/nominated by some number of existing license holders even though there were exactly zero at the time.
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http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0471/ch0471.htm[^]
Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.Wow... Good to know. There are a couple companies around here in Lakeland that should be a lot more careful. Then again, perhaps the government is smart not to enforce silly laws on the businesses which pay its taxes.
I have nothing against VB or .NET; all programming languages are respectable. It just seems that some languages attract one echelon of programmers, and other languages attract another echelon of programmers. :P
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Wow... Good to know. There are a couple companies around here in Lakeland that should be a lot more careful. Then again, perhaps the government is smart not to enforce silly laws on the businesses which pay its taxes.
I have nothing against VB or .NET; all programming languages are respectable. It just seems that some languages attract one echelon of programmers, and other languages attract another echelon of programmers. :P
Your in Lakeland? I am flying there next week to give a Two Week Training.
Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
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Your in Lakeland? I am flying there next week to give a Two Week Training.
Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.Born and raised. It's a wonderfully mediocre place to live. ;P
I have nothing against VB or .NET; all programming languages are respectable. It just seems that some languages attract one echelon of programmers, and other languages attract another echelon of programmers. :P
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Born and raised. It's a wonderfully mediocre place to live. ;P
I have nothing against VB or .NET; all programming languages are respectable. It just seems that some languages attract one echelon of programmers, and other languages attract another echelon of programmers. :P
Is there an extended stay there I can get for $250 a week or so? All of the hotels I am finding online want $75+ a night and the few that don't have such incredibly bad reviews that it even scares me off.
Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
Most of this sig is for Google, not ego. -
Hi, reviewing MSDN's "Architecture" forum, I noticed the following... http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3748384&SiteID=1 According to this (from my reading), the term "Software Architect" is illegal in Texas! WTF Could cause some problems for all kinds of folks down there (figuratively, I'm in the UK so that's over there really). Any comments?
Well, truth is that, as an engineering or construction discipline, software doesn't come close to qualifying. Forums like this just emphasize that we're still in the "craft" stage. I've heard the grumbles from real architects and professional (certified) engineers that we debase their titles by using similar terms to describe ourselves. "If construction engineers built buildings like programmers built programs, the construction industry would come to a screeching halt." - variation on a common quote And it's true. Despite numerous efforts to come up with a system of formal program verification, the systems on which we build programs are by no means reliable enough (except in some special cases) for a professional engineer to certify a software system running on a standard business platform as reliable. And, truth, I get the same feeling when someone who learns HTML describes himself as a programmer. As for those who've freely decorated themselves (or been decorated by their companies) with this rather hopeful titles, welcome to the rest of the world :) Christopher P. Kile, stepson of Anthony R. Abbot, P.E. (deceased)
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Is there an extended stay there I can get for $250 a week or so? All of the hotels I am finding online want $75+ a night and the few that don't have such incredibly bad reviews that it even scares me off.
Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.I can't say that I've stayed in many hotels in my home city, but I called around and checked some prices. Try this place; they quoted me $43 per night (~$300/wk) online. It's in a good part of town on the north end, close to lots of stuff. (about 10 min. from downtown) http://www.suburbanhotels.com/hotel-lakeland-florida-FL971?promo=gglocal[^] Safar Inn quoted me $220/wk + $50 deposit on the phone: 1817 E Memorial Blvd Lakeland, FL 33801 (863) 688-9221 Its not the greatest hotel in the world, but its cheap and not in the ghetto. Really, you just want to avoid any place on US-92 / Memorial Blvd. -- everything about a mile north of that road is a bad part of town when you turn off the main roads. Some places around there we don't even drive during the day time. The exception is when Lake Parker is immediately north of 92, as with Safar. South of Memorial is OK though. Anything near I-4 will be nice, and anything on the south side will be nice as well. Hope this helps.
I have nothing against VB or .NET; all programming languages are respectable. It just seems that some languages attract one echelon of programmers, and other languages attract another echelon of programmers. :P