Something good to see
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BoneSoft wrote:
Exactly what response did you expect that to elicit?
I was making the point that he didn't respond directly to my previous post. Instead he simply accused the other side of the same problem. That form of attack response automatically concedes that the original point is valid.
BoneSoft wrote:
And what do you imagine that response would prove?
Prove? Don't know what you mean by that.
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:confused: That makes no sense.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Obama does well partly because every speach includes "I know it's tough, people are hurting..."
Yeah McCain seems to think he can compete... But then again, he basically was a Democrat up until the moment he decided to run for president. Like I said, Dems have used that very successfully, and McCain obviously thinks he can too.
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BoneSoft wrote:
then they turn off their satellite dish big screen plasma TV, hop in one of their SUVs and leave their house to go out to eat.
You need to get out more, my friend. There are a whole bunch of people out there, some of them lilly-white, who are hurting. I am not saying that Obama has the answer to anyone's problems (or that McCain does) but I am quite sure that there are a lot of working poor that don't drive SUVs and don't have plasma TVs.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Sure, the plasma TV was an embelishment. But come on, we've been to third world countries, there are damn few people in America that are hurting. And most of those that are, have been for longer than the current mess. The point is most people don't have near as much to bitch about as they do bitch about, and playing to that helps politicians.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Obama does well partly because every speach includes "I know it's tough, people are hurting..."
Nope. McCain is definitely not a Democrat. I suspect that he is not representative of what's left of the Republican party - even though he tries mightily to pander to them.
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I just turned 63, and for as long as I can remember, people (the electorate) have been believing the crap that spews from the mouths of politicians. How people can't see that the pols are buying their votes with their (the people) money (taxes) to me is incredible. And 90% of the time, the pols don't make good on their promises, and never get called on it. We let these leaches take the money from the Social Security Trust Fund to put it in the General Fund and spend it buying more votes. And then we are astounded that Social Security is going broke and no one has the guts to even try and fix it. And Ted Kennedy, of all people, tries to be the "champion" of Social Security, even though he's never so much as paid a dime into SS!! Like every government worker, they are too good to have SS as a retirement vehicle! In short people have a memory span of about 30 seconds, and vote one of two ways --- popularity or with their wallets, based on what direction the economy has taken. I fear our nation cannot last much longer with trillions of debt piling up. Some day those IOUs are going to be coming due ...
John P.
You're absolutely right. Congress should be given half of the money it currently gets and not be allowed to spend a penny that they don't already have. They need to clean up their mess, and we need a way to make them. Social Security... I suppose it was necessary when it was created. But what a horrible idea, I can't believe they never thought about the possibility virtual certainty that there would be more people in the future. We need a way to fund it for those that are currently and near getting it. Then it needs to go away. Whatever happened to Bush's nationalized retirement accounts idea? I could deal with the government soaking me for thousands every year against my will if there was a chance in hell I'd get it back some day. As is, it pisses me off every time I get a check stub. I wouldn't mind being taxed a reasonable amount (which would certainly be less than currently) if it were going for things this country needs and if it were being managed responsibly. But right now none of those are happening. I feel bad for those of you who are close to retirement age, many who won't be able to retire. But unless we get things under control, I'm affraid those retiring in 10 years will be even worse off. And I'll never see a dime of Social Security.
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oilFactotum wrote:
Not that Obama is playing the race card, but that some pundit is?
Sounds like blaiming McCain for what somebody in a crowd yells, huh.
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oilFactotum wrote:
'leftist' media as an organ of the Democratic party
Not so much an organ, as a tool. By all means, keep wearing your blinders.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Not so much an organ, as a tool. By all means, keep wearing your blinders.
You know a thing or two about both those states, don't you? edit: Amusingly, Dirk LongNose, you're saying that The Oily One is either: 1) stupid, or 2) ignorant (with the implication that he does not wish to correct the ignorance, which is to say, the implication is that the "ignorance" is really intellectual dishonesty), or 3) intellectually dishonest (i.e. a liar) You're just not openly using the words. And then you *dare* to condemn me merely because I do openly use the words.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Sounds like blaiming McCain for what somebody in a crowd yells, huh.
No, not at all. I don't see the two as comparable. Rather that elaborate as to why, I'll let you jump to some more false conclusions - you're so good at that.
Yeah I'm sure it's all my fault. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with your presentation. :rolleyes:
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BoneSoft wrote:
Sounds like blaiming McCain for what somebody in a crowd yells, huh.
And which "reported" yelling seems never to have happened in the first place.
:laugh: Good point, forgot about that.
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Then go ahead, I'm waiting with bated breathe. You posed the stupid question, as if it means something to admit that there is bigotry in the Republican party, as if there isn't in any other organization. Strawman indeed, I may have to start calling you that.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Exactly what response did you expect that to elicit?
I was making the point that he didn't respond directly to my previous post. Instead he simply accused the other side of the same problem. That form of attack response automatically concedes that the original point is valid.
BoneSoft wrote:
And what do you imagine that response would prove?
Prove? Don't know what you mean by that.
oilFactotum wrote:
I was making the point that he didn't respond directly to my previous post. Instead he simply accused the other side of the same problem.
OK, so you were answering ad absurdum with ad absurdum in the hopse that they would see the irony. I can appreciate that, I've tried it on you several times. I guess I missed the original. It looked like you were initiating the "answer my loaded question to validate my false assertion". My apologies.
oilFactotum wrote:
That form of attack response automatically concedes that the original point is valid
False. It gives you reasonable doubt as to their convictions or that they themselves have an answer. It doesn't mean there isn't an answer or that your point is automatically valid.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
You're freakin' OLD!!!!!
It beats the alternative.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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BoneSoft wrote:
Strawman indeed, I may have to start calling you that.
An oil-soaked strawman makes a nice bonfire, don't you think?
It certainly gives off a lot of smoke.
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Hey, Oak, the Democrats and other blacks would refer to him as an "Uncle Tom" since he was a (expletive) Republican. How quickly they forget that the Democrats are the party of bigotry (from 2 centuries ago, too, Oilfactotum). I am so sick of blacks playing the race card, and generally of Democrats being the ones to play it. Talk about hypocrisy!
John P.
jparken wrote:
Hey, Oak, the Democrats and other blacks would refer to him as an "Uncle Tom" since he was a (expletive) Republican. How quickly they forget that the Democrats are the party of bigotry (from 2 centuries ago, too, Oilfactotum). I am so sick of blacks playing the race card, and generally of Democrats being the ones to play it. Talk about hypocrisy!
Democrats -- Always Wrong When It Matters. And Damned Proud Of It!
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oilFactotum wrote:
I was making the point that he didn't respond directly to my previous post. Instead he simply accused the other side of the same problem.
OK, so you were answering ad absurdum with ad absurdum in the hopse that they would see the irony. I can appreciate that, I've tried it on you several times. I guess I missed the original. It looked like you were initiating the "answer my loaded question to validate my false assertion". My apologies.
oilFactotum wrote:
That form of attack response automatically concedes that the original point is valid
False. It gives you reasonable doubt as to their convictions or that they themselves have an answer. It doesn't mean there isn't an answer or that your point is automatically valid.
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BoneSoft wrote:
so you were answering ad absurdum with ad absurdum in the hopse that they would see the irony.
No. I was making the point the he didn't respond to my previous post. His response wasn't 'ad absurdum' and I was not responding with irony.
BoneSoft wrote:
It looked like you were initiating the "answer my loaded question to validate my false assertion".
No. I was making the point the he didn't respond to my previous post. I didn't ask a loaded question(there was no question at all) and there was no false assertion(are you saying that Powell was making a false assertion?).
BoneSoft wrote:
False
You're wrong again. A response of 'The other guy does it too!' does indeed concede the original point.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Not so much an organ, as a tool. By all means, keep wearing your blinders.
You know a thing or two about both those states, don't you? edit: Amusingly, Dirk LongNose, you're saying that The Oily One is either: 1) stupid, or 2) ignorant (with the implication that he does not wish to correct the ignorance, which is to say, the implication is that the "ignorance" is really intellectual dishonesty), or 3) intellectually dishonest (i.e. a liar) You're just not openly using the words. And then you *dare* to condemn me merely because I do openly use the words.
Ilíon wrote:
And then you *dare* to condemn me
Nope, no condemnation...just expressing my views as to your lack of civility and manners. Yet, I doubt you will listen to sound council because of your mistaken notion that I care what anyone on this forum thinks about me. Who knows, there may be someone here that needs to hear what you have to say, but I suspect it will get lost in the noise. You seem to have this mistaken notion that I am standing against you. I was being honest before when I said that I agree with many of the things you are saying, I just don't care for the way you go about it at times.
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Yeah I'm sure it's all my fault. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with your presentation. :rolleyes:
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BoneSoft wrote:
Yeah I'm sure it's all my fault
On one thing, at least, we agree.
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oilFactotum wrote:
I see that you are not disputing that anti-muslim bigotry is a problem within the Repbublican party.
I suspect there is some anti-muslim bigotry within the Republican party, but I refuse to paint the entire party with that brush. Is that what you are attempting to do? I see that you are not disputing that the Democrat's are playing the race card.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I suspect there is some anti-muslim bigotry within the Republican party, but I refuse to paint the entire party with that brush. Is that what you are attempting to do?
Did you actually watch the video? It paints the opposite picture to the one you are claiming, i.e., it shows Republicans standing up against bigotry. So who is the prejudiced one here?
John Carson