Let's sum it up
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
I wasn't aware we were against somebody?
Where have you been?
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Oakman wrote:
Where have you been?
Hanging out being groovy... I could care less what a person who is agnostic / christian / muslim / jewish / Spaghetti Monster believes. It's their wasted time or salvation for their soul, I don't care. What ever gets you through the day and keeps you happy is the right "faith" for you. I was only pointing out my opinion of agnostics as fence sitters.
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An agnostic is a atheist who is too pussy to admit it to society...
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An agnostic is somebody wise enough to admit that they don't have the answer. An atheist is somebody who thinks the answer isn't religion.
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And my hobby is not playing chess.
You wouldn't happen to be the basist for Iron Maiden would you?
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An agnostic is somebody wise enough to admit that they don't have the answer. An atheist is somebody who thinks the answer isn't religion.
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BoneSoft wrote:
An agnostic is somebody wise enough to admit that they don't have the answer
So the agnostic is the smarter for sitting on the fence?
BoneSoft wrote:
An atheist is somebody who thinks the answer isn't religion.
The answer is what makes you the happiest...
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You wouldn't happen to be the basist for Iron Maiden would you?
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Still no.
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An atheist is a believer. An agnostic is not.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
Look, it's not that complicated. An atheist is a non-believer in God by definition, an agnostic is someone who doesn't believe that the question can be absolutely proven either way. Calling an atheist a believer is nonsensical, and pretending like atheist and agnostic are two points on the same spectrum displays a complete ignorance of the meaning of both of those words.
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Still no.
Sorry, never saw that asked.
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Sorry, never saw that asked.
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LOL Don't worry, it's just that no-one's ever asked it seriously.
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And my hobby is not playing chess.
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BoneSoft wrote:
An agnostic is somebody wise enough to admit that they don't have the answer
So the agnostic is the smarter for sitting on the fence?
BoneSoft wrote:
An atheist is somebody who thinks the answer isn't religion.
The answer is what makes you the happiest...
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BoneSoft wrote:
An agnostic is somebody wise enough to admit that they don't have the answer
So the agnostic is the smarter for sitting on the fence?
BoneSoft wrote:
An atheist is somebody who thinks the answer isn't religion.
The answer is what makes you the happiest...
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What does 'smart' have to do with it?
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LOL Don't worry, it's just that no-one's ever asked it seriously.
Well, as much as I love them, I honestly have a tough time picturing Bruce and the gang frequenting CodeProject. But ya never know... ;)
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
So the agnostic is the smarter for sitting on the fence?
Who told you there was a fence? God?
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Oakman wrote:
Who told you there was a fence? God?
A fence has two sides used for separation of two things. One side would be yes, the other would be no. Therefore, if you will neither say yes nor no, you are on the metaphorical fence. I'm not liking how this is making me look like a militant atheist who thinks everyone who doesn't share my thought is stupid. I really don't care about what anyone believes. That's your business and your free time. I thought it was a funny quote. I'm not in the mood for a back and forth on this. I have better things to do, as I'm sure you do. Enjoy your debates...
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What does 'smart' have to do with it?
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See my last response to Oakman. I'm not debating this on two fronts. It's 5 P.M. here and I'm heading home for the evening. Enjoy the rest of your day / evening...
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Oakman wrote:
Who told you there was a fence? God?
A fence has two sides used for separation of two things. One side would be yes, the other would be no. Therefore, if you will neither say yes nor no, you are on the metaphorical fence. I'm not liking how this is making me look like a militant atheist who thinks everyone who doesn't share my thought is stupid. I really don't care about what anyone believes. That's your business and your free time. I thought it was a funny quote. I'm not in the mood for a back and forth on this. I have better things to do, as I'm sure you do. Enjoy your debates...
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Well, since "yes" or "no" would require facts, and there are none that prove or disprove religion, wouldn't "I dunno" be the 'smart' answer? It's certainly the only pragmatic answer. But sure, technically it's on the fence.
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Look, it's not that complicated. An atheist is a non-believer in God by definition, an agnostic is someone who doesn't believe that the question can be absolutely proven either way. Calling an atheist a believer is nonsensical, and pretending like atheist and agnostic are two points on the same spectrum displays a complete ignorance of the meaning of both of those words.
James L. Thomson wrote:
An atheist is a non-believer in God in any gods by definition
It's interesting to note that the accusation levied by monotheists against atheists is the very same accusation that can be levied by polytheists against monotheists. Put more succinctly, "when you understand why you don't believe in all the other possible gods, you will understand why I don't believe in yours." For what its worth, my position is an absence of belief one way or the other. That is to say that even if a God or many gods exist, I simply possess no belief in them - I do not, however, assert anything about whether they exist. That's a question the human cognitive faculty is not equipped to answer. Some variants of atheism are an assertion of a supposed truth; some aren't. That's why it sucks to talk about this subject on this board... recognizing such nuance doesn't happen often here.
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An atheist is a believer. An agnostic is not.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
Problem with agnostics is that they usually lack any consistency in their (non?)belief system. Ask an agnostic if god exists and the answer you are likely to get is "maybe/unknown". Ask them if Bigfoot, leprechauns, the Toothfairy, or Dracula exists and the answer you most likely get is "No." It seems to me that if they really want to stick with being agnostic they would have to be equally open to ALL superstitions being possible regardless of how idiotic they sound. Why draw a line in the sand for religion and not the other superstitions? Atheists at least have consistency on their side. Ask them the same questions and the answer you get is: "[insert superstition here] does not exist."
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BoneSoft wrote:
An agnostic is somebody wise enough to admit that they don't have the answer
So the agnostic is the smarter for sitting on the fence?
BoneSoft wrote:
An atheist is somebody who thinks the answer isn't religion.
The answer is what makes you the happiest...
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
So the agnostic is the smarter for sitting on the fence
It's not fence-sitting. It's a simple recognition that you have insufficient evidence to prove either conjecture. Atheists are no different than believers, for they also choose a conjecture to embrace as proven fact without evidence. Of the three, only agnostics are unpersuaded by the propaganda from believers in either conjecture.
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Oakman wrote:
Who told you there was a fence? God?
A fence has two sides used for separation of two things. One side would be yes, the other would be no. Therefore, if you will neither say yes nor no, you are on the metaphorical fence. I'm not liking how this is making me look like a militant atheist who thinks everyone who doesn't share my thought is stupid. I really don't care about what anyone believes. That's your business and your free time. I thought it was a funny quote. I'm not in the mood for a back and forth on this. I have better things to do, as I'm sure you do. Enjoy your debates...
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You wouldn't happen to be the basist for Iron Maiden would you?
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ROTFL - I asked him that ages ago.
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