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    Once upon a time Microsoft had an annoying little widget on the desktop called the Briefcase. It was annoying then because hardly anyone had a network, and bosses kept using it in place of My Documents, causing all sorts of confusion. Now I have a need for it again, I think. My boss has a new notebook PC, and he travels a lot. He just had our IT guy set it up for him, and asked him to put My Documents on the server where it will be backed up regularly. Unfortunately, he travels a lot, and I know he's going to want his My Docs folder with him in meetings elsewhere. Is there a handy tool that will do an incremental copy - synchronization, really - of his local My Docs folder and the one on the server? A full copy would take days, so it has to be smart enough to recognize which version of a document is newer and copy in the appropriate direction. If not, it would make an excellent CP article, if someone would like to tackle it. :-D

    "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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      Once upon a time Microsoft had an annoying little widget on the desktop called the Briefcase. It was annoying then because hardly anyone had a network, and bosses kept using it in place of My Documents, causing all sorts of confusion. Now I have a need for it again, I think. My boss has a new notebook PC, and he travels a lot. He just had our IT guy set it up for him, and asked him to put My Documents on the server where it will be backed up regularly. Unfortunately, he travels a lot, and I know he's going to want his My Docs folder with him in meetings elsewhere. Is there a handy tool that will do an incremental copy - synchronization, really - of his local My Docs folder and the one on the server? A full copy would take days, so it has to be smart enough to recognize which version of a document is newer and copy in the appropriate direction. If not, it would make an excellent CP article, if someone would like to tackle it. :-D

      "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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      DaveyM69
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      XP still has the briefcase[^] Vista uses Sync Center[^].

      Dave
      BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
      Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)

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        Once upon a time Microsoft had an annoying little widget on the desktop called the Briefcase. It was annoying then because hardly anyone had a network, and bosses kept using it in place of My Documents, causing all sorts of confusion. Now I have a need for it again, I think. My boss has a new notebook PC, and he travels a lot. He just had our IT guy set it up for him, and asked him to put My Documents on the server where it will be backed up regularly. Unfortunately, he travels a lot, and I know he's going to want his My Docs folder with him in meetings elsewhere. Is there a handy tool that will do an incremental copy - synchronization, really - of his local My Docs folder and the one on the server? A full copy would take days, so it has to be smart enough to recognize which version of a document is newer and copy in the appropriate direction. If not, it would make an excellent CP article, if someone would like to tackle it. :-D

        "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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        Stuart Dootson
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        I use rsync[^] -but then I'm a bit of a Unix-head. It is scriptable and pretty quick, though - I do backups on my Mac using rsync - I've got 14GB of photos, music, documents etc, which changes rarely. A sync with no changes takes about a minute to a NAS over 802.11g wireless.

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          Once upon a time Microsoft had an annoying little widget on the desktop called the Briefcase. It was annoying then because hardly anyone had a network, and bosses kept using it in place of My Documents, causing all sorts of confusion. Now I have a need for it again, I think. My boss has a new notebook PC, and he travels a lot. He just had our IT guy set it up for him, and asked him to put My Documents on the server where it will be backed up regularly. Unfortunately, he travels a lot, and I know he's going to want his My Docs folder with him in meetings elsewhere. Is there a handy tool that will do an incremental copy - synchronization, really - of his local My Docs folder and the one on the server? A full copy would take days, so it has to be smart enough to recognize which version of a document is newer and copy in the appropriate direction. If not, it would make an excellent CP article, if someone would like to tackle it. :-D

          "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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          jond777
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          And there is also SyncToy.

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            Once upon a time Microsoft had an annoying little widget on the desktop called the Briefcase. It was annoying then because hardly anyone had a network, and bosses kept using it in place of My Documents, causing all sorts of confusion. Now I have a need for it again, I think. My boss has a new notebook PC, and he travels a lot. He just had our IT guy set it up for him, and asked him to put My Documents on the server where it will be backed up regularly. Unfortunately, he travels a lot, and I know he's going to want his My Docs folder with him in meetings elsewhere. Is there a handy tool that will do an incremental copy - synchronization, really - of his local My Docs folder and the one on the server? A full copy would take days, so it has to be smart enough to recognize which version of a document is newer and copy in the appropriate direction. If not, it would make an excellent CP article, if someone would like to tackle it. :-D

            "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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            Lost User
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            I use SyncToy with XP and rsync with Ubuntu. Both work quite well...

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              Once upon a time Microsoft had an annoying little widget on the desktop called the Briefcase. It was annoying then because hardly anyone had a network, and bosses kept using it in place of My Documents, causing all sorts of confusion. Now I have a need for it again, I think. My boss has a new notebook PC, and he travels a lot. He just had our IT guy set it up for him, and asked him to put My Documents on the server where it will be backed up regularly. Unfortunately, he travels a lot, and I know he's going to want his My Docs folder with him in meetings elsewhere. Is there a handy tool that will do an incremental copy - synchronization, really - of his local My Docs folder and the one on the server? A full copy would take days, so it has to be smart enough to recognize which version of a document is newer and copy in the appropriate direction. If not, it would make an excellent CP article, if someone would like to tackle it. :-D

              "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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              I use a free tool called PathSync[^]. You can save the configuration for syncing directories to a file and all you have to do is double-click on it to launch it, then click Analyze to let it figure out what's different, then Synchronize to sync things up. Three clicks and it just works. I use it to copy all the photos on my CF cards to an "incoming" directory on my laptop, and have it configured to do a one-way sync/copy. I have another config that copies all the photos on my laptop to a NAS device (again one-way so everything on the laptop gets pushed to the NAS). I have another config to compare the NAS backup to an external disk backup (full sync so everything on either device ends up on the other). Am I a little paranoid? :^) Maybe so, but I've got backups of the important stuff! :-D -matt

              Matt Newby President, Matt Newby Enterprises, Inc. matt@mattnewby.com

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                I use a free tool called PathSync[^]. You can save the configuration for syncing directories to a file and all you have to do is double-click on it to launch it, then click Analyze to let it figure out what's different, then Synchronize to sync things up. Three clicks and it just works. I use it to copy all the photos on my CF cards to an "incoming" directory on my laptop, and have it configured to do a one-way sync/copy. I have another config that copies all the photos on my laptop to a NAS device (again one-way so everything on the laptop gets pushed to the NAS). I have another config to compare the NAS backup to an external disk backup (full sync so everything on either device ends up on the other). Am I a little paranoid? :^) Maybe so, but I've got backups of the important stuff! :-D -matt

                Matt Newby President, Matt Newby Enterprises, Inc. matt@mattnewby.com

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                Lost User
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                I'm pretty sure PathSync is written by Justin Frankel (the father of WinAmp).

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                  XP still has the briefcase[^] Vista uses Sync Center[^].

                  Dave
                  BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
                  Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)

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                  Roger Wright
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                  I'll have him try Briefcase first. He's probably used it in previous incarnations. Thanks! :-D

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                    I use rsync[^] -but then I'm a bit of a Unix-head. It is scriptable and pretty quick, though - I do backups on my Mac using rsync - I've got 14GB of photos, music, documents etc, which changes rarely. A sync with no changes takes about a minute to a NAS over 802.11g wireless.

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                    Roger Wright
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                    Cool tool!

                    "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                      And there is also SyncToy.

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                      Roger Wright
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                      That looks interesting. I grabbed a copy and will experiment with it. Thanks!

                      "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                        I use SyncToy with XP and rsync with Ubuntu. Both work quite well...

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                        Roger Wright
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                        I'll probably try SyncToy, but I also found a recent version of pfbackup.exe which I installed on his laptop a few years ago. It transparently does a backup without any action on the user's part. That would seem to be the ticket, if it doesn't bog things down too much.

                        "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                          I use a free tool called PathSync[^]. You can save the configuration for syncing directories to a file and all you have to do is double-click on it to launch it, then click Analyze to let it figure out what's different, then Synchronize to sync things up. Three clicks and it just works. I use it to copy all the photos on my CF cards to an "incoming" directory on my laptop, and have it configured to do a one-way sync/copy. I have another config that copies all the photos on my laptop to a NAS device (again one-way so everything on the laptop gets pushed to the NAS). I have another config to compare the NAS backup to an external disk backup (full sync so everything on either device ends up on the other). Am I a little paranoid? :^) Maybe so, but I've got backups of the important stuff! :-D -matt

                          Matt Newby President, Matt Newby Enterprises, Inc. matt@mattnewby.com

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                          Roger Wright
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                          caspianx67 wrote:

                          Am I a little paranoid?

                          Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.:suss:

                          "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                            I'll probably try SyncToy, but I also found a recent version of pfbackup.exe which I installed on his laptop a few years ago. It transparently does a backup without any action on the user's part. That would seem to be the ticket, if it doesn't bog things down too much.

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                            Roger Wright wrote:

                            That would seem to be the ticket

                            That will work one way, but will it sync both ways? SyncToy works quite well - updated files on both machines are kept in sync. Cheers, Drew.

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                              Once upon a time Microsoft had an annoying little widget on the desktop called the Briefcase. It was annoying then because hardly anyone had a network, and bosses kept using it in place of My Documents, causing all sorts of confusion. Now I have a need for it again, I think. My boss has a new notebook PC, and he travels a lot. He just had our IT guy set it up for him, and asked him to put My Documents on the server where it will be backed up regularly. Unfortunately, he travels a lot, and I know he's going to want his My Docs folder with him in meetings elsewhere. Is there a handy tool that will do an incremental copy - synchronization, really - of his local My Docs folder and the one on the server? A full copy would take days, so it has to be smart enough to recognize which version of a document is newer and copy in the appropriate direction. If not, it would make an excellent CP article, if someone would like to tackle it. :-D

                              "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                              leckey 0
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                              Oh wait, didn't read the post. Just saw "looking for a TOOL."

                              Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.

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                                Oh wait, didn't read the post. Just saw "looking for a TOOL."

                                Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.

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                                Roger Wright
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                                :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Have you looked into Snap On Tools? It worked for Billy Jean King...

                                "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                                  Once upon a time Microsoft had an annoying little widget on the desktop called the Briefcase. It was annoying then because hardly anyone had a network, and bosses kept using it in place of My Documents, causing all sorts of confusion. Now I have a need for it again, I think. My boss has a new notebook PC, and he travels a lot. He just had our IT guy set it up for him, and asked him to put My Documents on the server where it will be backed up regularly. Unfortunately, he travels a lot, and I know he's going to want his My Docs folder with him in meetings elsewhere. Is there a handy tool that will do an incremental copy - synchronization, really - of his local My Docs folder and the one on the server? A full copy would take days, so it has to be smart enough to recognize which version of a document is newer and copy in the appropriate direction. If not, it would make an excellent CP article, if someone would like to tackle it. :-D

                                  "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                                  DropBox is good

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                                  • R Roger Wright

                                    Once upon a time Microsoft had an annoying little widget on the desktop called the Briefcase. It was annoying then because hardly anyone had a network, and bosses kept using it in place of My Documents, causing all sorts of confusion. Now I have a need for it again, I think. My boss has a new notebook PC, and he travels a lot. He just had our IT guy set it up for him, and asked him to put My Documents on the server where it will be backed up regularly. Unfortunately, he travels a lot, and I know he's going to want his My Docs folder with him in meetings elsewhere. Is there a handy tool that will do an incremental copy - synchronization, really - of his local My Docs folder and the one on the server? A full copy would take days, so it has to be smart enough to recognize which version of a document is newer and copy in the appropriate direction. If not, it would make an excellent CP article, if someone would like to tackle it. :-D

                                    "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                                    What youwant to be using is Allway Sync[^], started using it myself a few weeks ago. Microsofts SyncToy sucks Donkeys Arse, there is no way to change the source or destination in a Sync Pair, have to delete them and recreate, real efficient. I am using Allway Sync to backup data from my and the families computers to my Linux server and then rsync from the Linux box to my usb drive. Put it all together for practical, learning and CP Article reasons. Articles still to come.

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                                      Once upon a time Microsoft had an annoying little widget on the desktop called the Briefcase. It was annoying then because hardly anyone had a network, and bosses kept using it in place of My Documents, causing all sorts of confusion. Now I have a need for it again, I think. My boss has a new notebook PC, and he travels a lot. He just had our IT guy set it up for him, and asked him to put My Documents on the server where it will be backed up regularly. Unfortunately, he travels a lot, and I know he's going to want his My Docs folder with him in meetings elsewhere. Is there a handy tool that will do an incremental copy - synchronization, really - of his local My Docs folder and the one on the server? A full copy would take days, so it has to be smart enough to recognize which version of a document is newer and copy in the appropriate direction. If not, it would make an excellent CP article, if someone would like to tackle it. :-D

                                      "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                                      Jorgen Andersson
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                                      You don't necessarily need a tool, the functionality is built in to windows (atleast XP). Just find the location of his "My Documents" in explorer (preferably using UNC path, and assuming it's already retargeted to the server), rightclick the folder and select "Make available offline" If it's not enabled you go to the tools > Folder option menu, offline files tab and tick the checkbox to enable offline files the first synchronization naturally takes a lot of time as there is a lot off copying to do. The biggest drawback is that the sync is not continuous. It can be set to synchronize automatically at login and logout, but if your boss is having a very large amount of files this process might take a while (even half a minute can be a looong time when you're waiting). This can of course be sped up by using the indexing service, but that's another pain in the butt. Another solution is to use Distributed File System (DFS). DFS is not made for workstations, but they can be used as link targets. So in this case his "My Documents" should remain on his computer. One of the drawback here is that it's synchronizing immediately when you're saving a file which makes it directly useless on databases. And make sure there are no files on the target folder when you set it up, to avoid nasty surprises.

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                                        Once upon a time Microsoft had an annoying little widget on the desktop called the Briefcase. It was annoying then because hardly anyone had a network, and bosses kept using it in place of My Documents, causing all sorts of confusion. Now I have a need for it again, I think. My boss has a new notebook PC, and he travels a lot. He just had our IT guy set it up for him, and asked him to put My Documents on the server where it will be backed up regularly. Unfortunately, he travels a lot, and I know he's going to want his My Docs folder with him in meetings elsewhere. Is there a handy tool that will do an incremental copy - synchronization, really - of his local My Docs folder and the one on the server? A full copy would take days, so it has to be smart enough to recognize which version of a document is newer and copy in the appropriate direction. If not, it would make an excellent CP article, if someone would like to tackle it. :-D

                                        "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                                        Try www.getdropbox.com, it works well for me.

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                                          You don't necessarily need a tool, the functionality is built in to windows (atleast XP). Just find the location of his "My Documents" in explorer (preferably using UNC path, and assuming it's already retargeted to the server), rightclick the folder and select "Make available offline" If it's not enabled you go to the tools > Folder option menu, offline files tab and tick the checkbox to enable offline files the first synchronization naturally takes a lot of time as there is a lot off copying to do. The biggest drawback is that the sync is not continuous. It can be set to synchronize automatically at login and logout, but if your boss is having a very large amount of files this process might take a while (even half a minute can be a looong time when you're waiting). This can of course be sped up by using the indexing service, but that's another pain in the butt. Another solution is to use Distributed File System (DFS). DFS is not made for workstations, but they can be used as link targets. So in this case his "My Documents" should remain on his computer. One of the drawback here is that it's synchronizing immediately when you're saving a file which makes it directly useless on databases. And make sure there are no files on the target folder when you set it up, to avoid nasty surprises.

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                                          Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                                          make sure there are no files on the target folder when you set it up, to avoid nasty surprises.

                                          Good point! :laugh:

                                          "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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