A last one, for the road
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Ka?l wrote:
So long the fiction of moral ground for the US to summon Russia it was bad to attack Georgia - Do as I say, not as I do...
Except that we are the good guys and they aren't. Basically, we own the moral high ground and intend to kill anyone that doesn't like it. So, fuck off...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Except that we are the good guys and they aren't. Basically, we own the moral high ground and intend to kill anyone that doesn't like it. So, f*** off.
:laugh: - Looks like a western movie, the John Wayne's way, entitled to slaughter the bad Indians who dare to attack the gentle WASP.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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Ka?l wrote:
anybody will understand the reason why Iran wants to have nukes.
Everyone already understands that they want nukes so they can destroy Israel without fear of retaliation by the US. Glad to see you've finally abandoned the fiction that they just want nuclear energy for electricity.
Rob Graham wrote:
they want nukes so they can destroy Israel without fear of retaliation by the US
Israel has over 200 nukes - What should they need the US to protect them?
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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Ka?l wrote:
My hero? You're drunk that early?
But you and he agree on almost everything. Especially about the U.S.
Ka?l wrote:
When two countries have nukes, generally they don't attack each other.
If Ahmadinejad develops nukes, it will not cow the U.S. However it will make Iran a target in the case that any terrorist group explodes a nuclear device in the U.S. On the other hand, for Iran to have developed nukes, It will have to have survived an all-out attack by Israel - including a nuclear option, backed by the U.S. Although this may be hard for you to understand, the U.S. is trying to avoid a nuclear war between Israel and Iran - not a nuclear war between the U.S. and Iran.
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Oakman wrote:
But you and he agree on almost everything. Especially about the U.S.
Now that's for sure, you're drunk. Or living in a fairy tale with Peter Pan and Marry Poppins. Whatever, you should really, really, take your pills.
Oakman wrote:
However it will make Iran a target in the case that any terrorist group explodes a nuclear device in the U.S.
I make a bet, the first nuclear bomb to explode in the US will be from North Korea. I even wonder if the bomb is not already hidden somewhere.
Oakman wrote:
the U.S. is trying to avoid a nuclear war between Israel and Iran
No, the US is trying to be sure Israel has the military supremacy in the region.
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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Ka?l wrote:
So long the fiction of moral ground for the US to summon Russia it was bad to attack Georgia - Do as I say, not as I do...
Except that we are the good guys and they aren't. Basically, we own the moral high ground and intend to kill anyone that doesn't like it. So, fuck off...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Rob Graham wrote:
they want nukes so they can destroy Israel without fear of retaliation by the US
Israel has over 200 nukes - What should they need the US to protect them?
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
Ka?l wrote:
Israel has over 200 nukes - What should they need the US to protect them?
"we all need somebody to lean on." - Bill Withers
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Oakman wrote:
But you and he agree on almost everything. Especially about the U.S.
Now that's for sure, you're drunk. Or living in a fairy tale with Peter Pan and Marry Poppins. Whatever, you should really, really, take your pills.
Oakman wrote:
However it will make Iran a target in the case that any terrorist group explodes a nuclear device in the U.S.
I make a bet, the first nuclear bomb to explode in the US will be from North Korea. I even wonder if the bomb is not already hidden somewhere.
Oakman wrote:
the U.S. is trying to avoid a nuclear war between Israel and Iran
No, the US is trying to be sure Israel has the military supremacy in the region.
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first Fold with us! ¤ flickr
Ka?l wrote:
No, the US is trying to be sure Israel has the military supremacy in the region.
well we are just good at picking the right people for friends. and this group in particular is one set of badasses.
Ka?l wrote:
Now that's for sure, you're drunk. Or living in a fairy tale with Peter Pan and Marry Poppins. Whatever, you should really, really, take your pills.
grow up.
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
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Ka?l wrote:
No, the US is trying to be sure Israel has the military supremacy in the region.
well we are just good at picking the right people for friends. and this group in particular is one set of badasses.
Ka?l wrote:
Now that's for sure, you're drunk. Or living in a fairy tale with Peter Pan and Marry Poppins. Whatever, you should really, really, take your pills.
grow up.
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Except that we are the good guys and they aren't. Basically, we own the moral high ground and intend to kill anyone that doesn't like it. So, f*** off.
:laugh: - Looks like a western movie, the John Wayne's way, entitled to slaughter the bad Indians who dare to attack the gentle WASP.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
Ka?l wrote:
Looks like a western movie, the John Wayne's way, entitled to slaughter the bad Indians who dare to attack the gentle WASP.
That's about right. You would prefer the WASPs to throw down their guns and surrender to the tender mercies of the Indians? That only happened with the French settlers.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Ka?l wrote:
anybody will understand the reason why Iran wants to have nukes.
Everyone already understands that they want nukes so they can destroy Israel without fear of retaliation by the US. Glad to see you've finally abandoned the fiction that they just want nuclear energy for electricity.
Rob Graham wrote:
Everyone already understands that they want nukes so they can destroy Israel without fear of retaliation by the US.
:confused: So you think that if Iran had nukes and destroyed Israel (using nukes?), the US wouldn't retaliate??!!
John Carson
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Except that we are the good guys and they aren't. Basically, we own the moral high ground
And from your signature:
Stan Shannon wrote:
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys
Curious
Good catch :-D
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Rob Graham wrote:
Everyone already understands that they want nukes so they can destroy Israel without fear of retaliation by the US.
:confused: So you think that if Iran had nukes and destroyed Israel (using nukes?), the US wouldn't retaliate??!!
John Carson
No, I don't think the US would hesitate. I do think Amanediejad and his superiors think (wrongly) that it would give the US pause if Iran had Nukes.
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Ka?l wrote:
anybody will understand the reason why Iran wants to have nukes.
Everyone already understands that they want nukes so they can destroy Israel without fear of retaliation by the US. Glad to see you've finally abandoned the fiction that they just want nuclear energy for electricity.
Everybody lies. For instance, Bush lied on the reasons why they attacked Iraq, while everybody knew it was for oil.
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Ka?l wrote:
Looks like a western movie, the John Wayne's way, entitled to slaughter the bad Indians who dare to attack the gentle WASP.
That's about right. You would prefer the WASPs to throw down their guns and surrender to the tender mercies of the Indians? That only happened with the French settlers.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Don't forget about the French surrendering to Germany in WWII as well.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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No, I don't think the US would hesitate. I do think Amanediejad and his superiors think (wrongly) that it would give the US pause if Iran had Nukes.
Rob Graham wrote:
Amanediejad and his superiors think (wrongly) that it would give the US pause if Iran had Nukes.
More like wishful thinking on their part.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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No, I don't think the US would hesitate. I do think Amanediejad and his superiors think (wrongly) that it would give the US pause if Iran had Nukes.
Rob Graham wrote:
I do think Amanediejad and his superiors think (wrongly) that it would give the US pause if Iran had Nukes.
Hard to believe. Merely having nukes doesn't translate into being able to deliver them to the US and if Iran were to actually use a nuke on Israel, then the US would feel compelled to attack Iran lest it use them on someone else in the region. For that matter, Britain or France (who are more readily in range) might feel compelled to attack Iran.
John Carson
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Don't forget about the French surrendering to Germany in WWII as well.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
Paul Conrad wrote:
Don't forget about the French surrendering to Germany in WWII as well.
The French government didn't surrender (though the armies did) - that's the fiction of "occupied France." The fact is that they became co-belligerents.
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Ka?l wrote:
No, the US is trying to be sure Israel has the military supremacy in the region.
well we are just good at picking the right people for friends. and this group in particular is one set of badasses.
Ka?l wrote:
Now that's for sure, you're drunk. Or living in a fairy tale with Peter Pan and Marry Poppins. Whatever, you should really, really, take your pills.
grow up.
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
jgasm wrote:
well we are just good at picking the right people for friends.
The same ones who stole the US nuclear materials to build their first nuclear bombs?
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Rob Graham wrote:
they want nukes so they can destroy Israel without fear of retaliation by the US
Israel has over 200 nukes - What should they need the US to protect them?
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
Ka?l wrote:
Israel has over 200 nukes - What should they need the US to protect them?
That's right. Iran needs someone to protect them from Israel and the US is around to protect Israel from Iran's protector. Do you understand how it works, now?
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Rob Graham wrote:
I do think Amanediejad and his superiors think (wrongly) that it would give the US pause if Iran had Nukes.
Hard to believe. Merely having nukes doesn't translate into being able to deliver them to the US and if Iran were to actually use a nuke on Israel, then the US would feel compelled to attack Iran lest it use them on someone else in the region. For that matter, Britain or France (who are more readily in range) might feel compelled to attack Iran.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
Merely having nukes doesn't translate into being able to deliver them to the US and if Iran were to actually use a nuke on Israel, then the US would feel compelled to attack Iran lest it use them on someone else in the region. For that matter, Britain or France (who are more readily in range) might feel compelled to attack Iran.
You know that; we know that; even Israel knows that. Now why don't you convince Ahmadinejad?
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Ka?l wrote:
Looks like a western movie, the John Wayne's way, entitled to slaughter the bad Indians who dare to attack the gentle WASP.
That's about right. You would prefer the WASPs to throw down their guns and surrender to the tender mercies of the Indians? That only happened with the French settlers.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface