Top 10 reasons why conservatives should vote for Obama
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RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.) [^] Contrary to popular leftist propaganda, conservatives can read too...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Contrary to popular leftist propaganda, conservatives can read too...
you are so weird :|
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Obama is a christian and will work to erode the wall between church and state
So, you oppose any person with religious beliefs being president ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
So, you oppose any person with religious beliefs being president?
You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway since it's something I feel strongly about. When I was younger, I thought I disliked religious people. Later, I found religious people I liked and even respected (you're among that group) and I realized that religion isn't the problem. The problem is forcing closed-minded dogma on others and there happens to be quite a few (vocal) religious (and non-religious) people who do that, but there's plenty who don't. I would like to vote for politicians while having no idea what their religion is. I want to vote for politicians based on their policies and I want their policies to represent all citizens, not just ones who belong to their particular religion. I don't want all 10 Commandments implemented as law (though some are, as they should be) and I don't want Sharia Law. A politician's religion should be their own business; just as I don't enforce my personal religion in my job, they shouldn't enforce it in theirs. That's the value of separation of church and state.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Contrary to popular leftist propaganda, conservatives can read too...
you are so weird :|
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jgasm wrote:
you are so weird
Doesn't it bother you that you are just propagating radical marxist tactics? Do you ever stop to wonder how you came to be so motivated? I mean, everything has to come from somewhere.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Obama is a christian...
“It’s around that time [while working as an organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious Conference (CCRC) in Chicago] that some pastors I was working with came around and asked if I was a member of a church. “If you’re organizing churches,” they said, “it might be helpful if you went to a church once in a while. And I thought, “I guess that makes sense.” Barack Obama.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
I am not sure where you are going with that, but going to church doesn't make you a Christian.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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jgasm wrote:
you are so weird
Doesn't it bother you that you are just propagating radical marxist tactics? Do you ever stop to wonder how you came to be so motivated? I mean, everything has to come from somewhere.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Doesn't it bother you that you are just propagating radical marxist tactics?
by not supporting palin? or by calling you weird?
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I am not sure where you are going with that, but going to church doesn't make you a Christian.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
but going to church doesn't make you a Christian.
Yeah, no shit...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Doesn't it bother you that you are just propagating radical marxist tactics?
by not supporting palin? or by calling you weird?
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
By using ridicule as a political tactic. Palin is a very competent politician, she has accomplished more on her own, against much more determined opposition, than Obama ever has. There may be many valid reason to disagree with her, but she represents a tremendous future threat to the left, hence the overt effort to destroy her political as quickly as possible while she is still weak, hence the use of Alinskian principles.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Christian Graus wrote:
So, you oppose any person with religious beliefs being president?
You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway since it's something I feel strongly about. When I was younger, I thought I disliked religious people. Later, I found religious people I liked and even respected (you're among that group) and I realized that religion isn't the problem. The problem is forcing closed-minded dogma on others and there happens to be quite a few (vocal) religious (and non-religious) people who do that, but there's plenty who don't. I would like to vote for politicians while having no idea what their religion is. I want to vote for politicians based on their policies and I want their policies to represent all citizens, not just ones who belong to their particular religion. I don't want all 10 Commandments implemented as law (though some are, as they should be) and I don't want Sharia Law. A politician's religion should be their own business; just as I don't enforce my personal religion in my job, they shouldn't enforce it in theirs. That's the value of separation of church and state.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
I don't want all 10 Commandments implemented as law (though some are, as they should be)
Which ones are you opposed to? Are you against the Golden Rule as well? How do you feel about Spirituals like "Let My People Go?" Would you just as soon never hear them? Should all Priests, Ministers and Rabbis be kept from having access to broadcasting facilities so you won't accidently see one while switching channels? Do you refuse to handle cash because of "In God We Trust?" Have you quit beating your wife?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
but going to church doesn't make you a Christian.
Yeah, no shit...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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By using ridicule as a political tactic. Palin is a very competent politician, she has accomplished more on her own, against much more determined opposition, than Obama ever has. There may be many valid reason to disagree with her, but she represents a tremendous future threat to the left, hence the overt effort to destroy her political as quickly as possible while she is still weak, hence the use of Alinskian principles.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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jgasm wrote:
3. Two words: President Palin."
That works for me - Palin in 2012 kicking away the wreckage of Obamania as she steps into the oval office - leading a massive conservative backlash.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
modified on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:29 PM
Stan Shannon wrote:
That works for me - Palin in 2012
C'mon, out of all the possible Republican candidates, you can't think of anyone better? Why not someone like Huckabee?
Obama's plan gives me a $400 per year tax cut. McCain's plan gives me a $80 per year tax cut. Would rather be one of the lucky few to have taxes raised by Obama. (Someone on the Internet)
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Al Beback wrote:
but if were, he probably wouldn't have made it this far
Indeed, thats the only reason he beat Hillary in the first place - a far more radically leftist background. If he doesn't deliver to those to whom he owes such a huge political debt, there will be hell to pay.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Indeed, thats the only reason he beat Hillary in the first place - a far more radically leftist background.
Nah. IMO he beat her because he's more charismatic and genuine, and he's not a Clinton, which goes along with his message for "change". He also got it right on Iraq, which would have brought Hillary the same problems Kerry had four years ago. To sum it up: the voters decided Obama was more electable in November.
Obama's plan gives me a $400 per year tax cut. McCain's plan gives me a $80 per year tax cut. Would rather be one of the lucky few to have taxes raised by Obama. (Someone on the Internet)
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
I don't want all 10 Commandments implemented as law (though some are, as they should be)
Which ones are you opposed to? Are you against the Golden Rule as well? How do you feel about Spirituals like "Let My People Go?" Would you just as soon never hear them? Should all Priests, Ministers and Rabbis be kept from having access to broadcasting facilities so you won't accidently see one while switching channels? Do you refuse to handle cash because of "In God We Trust?" Have you quit beating your wife?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Should all Priests, Ministers and Rabbis be kept from having access to broadcasting facilities so you won't accidently see one while switching channels?
If I don't like what's on the channel, I'll just watch something else. A religious channel doesn't take any of my rights away, but banning religious channels would take rights away from religious people.
Oakman wrote:
Do you refuse to handle cash because of "In God We Trust?"
That's an odd thing to write on money, but it doesn't change anything.
Oakman wrote:
Have you quit beating your wife?
Is that what a gotcha question is?
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Yeah, no sh*t...
Sorry, Stan, but staying home doesn't make you one either ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Sorry, Stan, but staying home doesn't make you one either
My Republican brother-in-law claims that they don't go to church, "but we still have our [Christian] faith". :-)
Obama's plan gives me a $400 per year tax cut. McCain's plan gives me a $80 per year tax cut. Would rather be one of the lucky few to have taxes raised by Obama. (Someone on the Internet)
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
I don't want all 10 Commandments implemented as law (though some are, as they should be)
Which ones are you opposed to? Are you against the Golden Rule as well? How do you feel about Spirituals like "Let My People Go?" Would you just as soon never hear them? Should all Priests, Ministers and Rabbis be kept from having access to broadcasting facilities so you won't accidently see one while switching channels? Do you refuse to handle cash because of "In God We Trust?" Have you quit beating your wife?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Which ones are you opposed to?
1, 2, 3, 4, 6 have no business in law or government. Depending on one's definition of "covet", 9 & 10 are gone as well. That leaves only murder, theft and bearing false witness which are the ones I suspect Daniel was referring to.
Oakman wrote:
Are you against the Golden Rule as well?
As a law... yes.
Oakman wrote:
How do you feel about Spirituals like "Let My People Go?" Would you just as soon never hear them?
I don't seek them out but they don't bother me.
Oakman wrote:
Should all Priests, Ministers and Rabbis be kept from having access to broadcasting facilities so you won't accidently see one while switching channels?
Nope - what Daniel said.
Oakman wrote:
Do you refuse to handle cash because of "In God We Trust?"
Nope - but I prefer e-money for the convenience.
Oakman wrote:
Have you quit beating your wife?
Never started - but how would that fit into the conversation?
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By using ridicule as a political tactic. Palin is a very competent politician, she has accomplished more on her own, against much more determined opposition, than Obama ever has. There may be many valid reason to disagree with her, but she represents a tremendous future threat to the left, hence the overt effort to destroy her political as quickly as possible while she is still weak, hence the use of Alinskian principles.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
By using ridicule as a political tactic.
This is something the "right" as you call it has been doing forever and something I have seen you do over and over.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Palin is a very competent politician, she has accomplished more on her own, against much more determined opposition, than Obama ever has.
I am pretty sure you are in the minority with this line of thought.
Stan Shannon wrote:
she represents a tremendous future threat to the left,
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Christian Graus wrote:
So, you oppose any person with religious beliefs being president?
You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway since it's something I feel strongly about. When I was younger, I thought I disliked religious people. Later, I found religious people I liked and even respected (you're among that group) and I realized that religion isn't the problem. The problem is forcing closed-minded dogma on others and there happens to be quite a few (vocal) religious (and non-religious) people who do that, but there's plenty who don't. I would like to vote for politicians while having no idea what their religion is. I want to vote for politicians based on their policies and I want their policies to represent all citizens, not just ones who belong to their particular religion. I don't want all 10 Commandments implemented as law (though some are, as they should be) and I don't want Sharia Law. A politician's religion should be their own business; just as I don't enforce my personal religion in my job, they shouldn't enforce it in theirs. That's the value of separation of church and state.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
Yeah, I agree, and that was my point. If they are seperate ( as they should be ), then it's wrong to say 'he's a Christian therefore he wants to erode the seperation between church and state', if he's not said that, then it's not something one should assume.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
That works for me - Palin in 2012
C'mon, out of all the possible Republican candidates, you can't think of anyone better? Why not someone like Huckabee?
Obama's plan gives me a $400 per year tax cut. McCain's plan gives me a $80 per year tax cut. Would rather be one of the lucky few to have taxes raised by Obama. (Someone on the Internet)
Bobby Jindal. But then, you guys would just trash him too. But Palin is perfect in almost every way. Plus, the left hates her. Even more perfect! Why do you have so much contempt for her?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
By using ridicule as a political tactic.
This is something the "right" as you call it has been doing forever and something I have seen you do over and over.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Palin is a very competent politician, she has accomplished more on her own, against much more determined opposition, than Obama ever has.
I am pretty sure you are in the minority with this line of thought.
Stan Shannon wrote:
she represents a tremendous future threat to the left,
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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jgasm wrote:
This is something the "right" as you call it has been doing forever and something I have seen you do over and over.
As a matter of fact, we don't. The tactic comes right out of Rules for Radicals. Reagan, Quayle,Bush, Palin, Thomas, etc, etc, etc...
jgasm wrote:
I am pretty sure you are in the minority with this line of thought.
So refute it.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Indeed, thats the only reason he beat Hillary in the first place - a far more radically leftist background.
Nah. IMO he beat her because he's more charismatic and genuine, and he's not a Clinton, which goes along with his message for "change". He also got it right on Iraq, which would have brought Hillary the same problems Kerry had four years ago. To sum it up: the voters decided Obama was more electable in November.
Obama's plan gives me a $400 per year tax cut. McCain's plan gives me a $80 per year tax cut. Would rather be one of the lucky few to have taxes raised by Obama. (Someone on the Internet)