Top 10 reasons why conservatives should vote for Obama
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Ed, if you're looking for a politician who is firstly concerned with the social good you are probably in the wrong country. Any policies like that would be decried as "socialism" and immediately discarded. Have you considered Canada or Europe?
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
if you're looking for a politician who is firstly concerned with the social good you are probably in the wrong country
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Have you considered Canada or Europe?
Daniel - you're not implying that Canadian and European pols are any better than American pols are you? :laugh:
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
if you're looking for a politician who is firstly concerned with the social good you are probably in the wrong country
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Have you considered Canada or Europe?
Daniel - you're not implying that Canadian and European pols are any better than American pols are you? :laugh:
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Daniel - you're not implying that Canadian and European pols are any better than American pols are you?
Okay, they may not be better, but when it comes to lying and cheating, Canadian and European politicians are at least equal with American politicians! :P The difference between American politics and the politics of Europe and Canada is that it's acceptable to discuss the social good in terms of social medicine, the environment, etc.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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jgasm wrote:
3. Two words: President Palin."
That works for me - Palin in 2012 kicking away the wreckage of Obamania as she steps into the oval office - leading a massive conservative backlash.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
modified on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:29 PM
Stan Shannon wrote:
leading a massive conservative backlash
Would it be as big as the current conservative backlash against Bush or bigger? ;P
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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jgasm wrote:
3. Two words: President Palin."
That works for me - Palin in 2012 kicking away the wreckage of Obamania as she steps into the oval office - leading a massive conservative backlash.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
modified on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:29 PM
Stan Shannon wrote:
That works for me - Palin in 2012
Obi Wan said it best- Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows her?
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
modified on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:41 PM
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I hope you're right rather than Stan...
Rob Graham wrote:
I hope you're right rather than Stan...
Me, too. If Obama's left wing background was simply protective coloration and his true nature is just another power-hungry Pol, I would be relieved.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Obama is a conservative in sheep's clothing. As his 2001 radio interview reveals, he does not believe in judicial activism and would appoint centrist or conservative judges to the Supreme Court. Obama is a christian and will work to erode the wall between church and state. Obama is overly focused on consensus building and will do little or nothing to advance a progressive agenda. Obama believes in balanced budgeting and will not advocate or fund the social spending our nation so desperately needs. What we really need is a progressive thinker who can advance the ideals upon which America was founded. What we have in Obama is just another conservative-leaning centrist who will go along to get along. It's sad.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Obama is a christian and will work to erode the wall between church and state
So, you oppose any person with religious beliefs being president ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
That works for me - Palin in 2012
Obi Wan said it best- Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows her?
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
modified on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:41 PM
RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.) [^] Contrary to popular leftist propaganda, conservatives can read too...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Obama is a conservative in sheep's clothing. As his 2001 radio interview reveals, he does not believe in judicial activism and would appoint centrist or conservative judges to the Supreme Court. Obama is a christian and will work to erode the wall between church and state. Obama is overly focused on consensus building and will do little or nothing to advance a progressive agenda. Obama believes in balanced budgeting and will not advocate or fund the social spending our nation so desperately needs. What we really need is a progressive thinker who can advance the ideals upon which America was founded. What we have in Obama is just another conservative-leaning centrist who will go along to get along. It's sad.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Obama is a christian...
“It’s around that time [while working as an organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious Conference (CCRC) in Chicago] that some pastors I was working with came around and asked if I was a member of a church. “If you’re organizing churches,” they said, “it might be helpful if you went to a church once in a while. And I thought, “I guess that makes sense.” Barack Obama.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.) [^] Contrary to popular leftist propaganda, conservatives can read too...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Contrary to popular leftist propaganda, conservatives can read too...
you are so weird :|
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Obama is a christian and will work to erode the wall between church and state
So, you oppose any person with religious beliefs being president ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Christian Graus wrote:
So, you oppose any person with religious beliefs being president?
You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway since it's something I feel strongly about. When I was younger, I thought I disliked religious people. Later, I found religious people I liked and even respected (you're among that group) and I realized that religion isn't the problem. The problem is forcing closed-minded dogma on others and there happens to be quite a few (vocal) religious (and non-religious) people who do that, but there's plenty who don't. I would like to vote for politicians while having no idea what their religion is. I want to vote for politicians based on their policies and I want their policies to represent all citizens, not just ones who belong to their particular religion. I don't want all 10 Commandments implemented as law (though some are, as they should be) and I don't want Sharia Law. A politician's religion should be their own business; just as I don't enforce my personal religion in my job, they shouldn't enforce it in theirs. That's the value of separation of church and state.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Obama is a christian...
“It’s around that time [while working as an organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious Conference (CCRC) in Chicago] that some pastors I was working with came around and asked if I was a member of a church. “If you’re organizing churches,” they said, “it might be helpful if you went to a church once in a while. And I thought, “I guess that makes sense.” Barack Obama.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
I am not sure where you are going with that, but going to church doesn't make you a Christian.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Contrary to popular leftist propaganda, conservatives can read too...
you are so weird :|
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
jgasm wrote:
you are so weird
Doesn't it bother you that you are just propagating radical marxist tactics? Do you ever stop to wonder how you came to be so motivated? I mean, everything has to come from somewhere.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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jgasm wrote:
you are so weird
Doesn't it bother you that you are just propagating radical marxist tactics? Do you ever stop to wonder how you came to be so motivated? I mean, everything has to come from somewhere.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Doesn't it bother you that you are just propagating radical marxist tactics?
by not supporting palin? or by calling you weird?
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
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I am not sure where you are going with that, but going to church doesn't make you a Christian.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
but going to church doesn't make you a Christian.
Yeah, no shit...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Doesn't it bother you that you are just propagating radical marxist tactics?
by not supporting palin? or by calling you weird?
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
By using ridicule as a political tactic. Palin is a very competent politician, she has accomplished more on her own, against much more determined opposition, than Obama ever has. There may be many valid reason to disagree with her, but she represents a tremendous future threat to the left, hence the overt effort to destroy her political as quickly as possible while she is still weak, hence the use of Alinskian principles.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Christian Graus wrote:
So, you oppose any person with religious beliefs being president?
You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway since it's something I feel strongly about. When I was younger, I thought I disliked religious people. Later, I found religious people I liked and even respected (you're among that group) and I realized that religion isn't the problem. The problem is forcing closed-minded dogma on others and there happens to be quite a few (vocal) religious (and non-religious) people who do that, but there's plenty who don't. I would like to vote for politicians while having no idea what their religion is. I want to vote for politicians based on their policies and I want their policies to represent all citizens, not just ones who belong to their particular religion. I don't want all 10 Commandments implemented as law (though some are, as they should be) and I don't want Sharia Law. A politician's religion should be their own business; just as I don't enforce my personal religion in my job, they shouldn't enforce it in theirs. That's the value of separation of church and state.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
I don't want all 10 Commandments implemented as law (though some are, as they should be)
Which ones are you opposed to? Are you against the Golden Rule as well? How do you feel about Spirituals like "Let My People Go?" Would you just as soon never hear them? Should all Priests, Ministers and Rabbis be kept from having access to broadcasting facilities so you won't accidently see one while switching channels? Do you refuse to handle cash because of "In God We Trust?" Have you quit beating your wife?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
but going to church doesn't make you a Christian.
Yeah, no shit...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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By using ridicule as a political tactic. Palin is a very competent politician, she has accomplished more on her own, against much more determined opposition, than Obama ever has. There may be many valid reason to disagree with her, but she represents a tremendous future threat to the left, hence the overt effort to destroy her political as quickly as possible while she is still weak, hence the use of Alinskian principles.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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jgasm wrote:
3. Two words: President Palin."
That works for me - Palin in 2012 kicking away the wreckage of Obamania as she steps into the oval office - leading a massive conservative backlash.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
modified on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:29 PM
Stan Shannon wrote:
That works for me - Palin in 2012
C'mon, out of all the possible Republican candidates, you can't think of anyone better? Why not someone like Huckabee?
Obama's plan gives me a $400 per year tax cut. McCain's plan gives me a $80 per year tax cut. Would rather be one of the lucky few to have taxes raised by Obama. (Someone on the Internet)
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Al Beback wrote:
but if were, he probably wouldn't have made it this far
Indeed, thats the only reason he beat Hillary in the first place - a far more radically leftist background. If he doesn't deliver to those to whom he owes such a huge political debt, there will be hell to pay.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Indeed, thats the only reason he beat Hillary in the first place - a far more radically leftist background.
Nah. IMO he beat her because he's more charismatic and genuine, and he's not a Clinton, which goes along with his message for "change". He also got it right on Iraq, which would have brought Hillary the same problems Kerry had four years ago. To sum it up: the voters decided Obama was more electable in November.
Obama's plan gives me a $400 per year tax cut. McCain's plan gives me a $80 per year tax cut. Would rather be one of the lucky few to have taxes raised by Obama. (Someone on the Internet)